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Enlightened
Jul 3, 2022
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...or do you think we just refuse to put up with being dealt the bad cards? Not that that's a bad thing, but I just wondered what your perspective is?

Edited to add: I think some people have worse lives than me and continue to live. I think I may be someone who refuses to be a punching bag forever and refuses to put up with what has happened. I respect people who continue to live for their stoicism but I think I can also respect myself for effectively saying 'No, I don't want to be treated like this by life in general or other people. I refuse to accept this quality of life.'
 
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Fadeawaaaay

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Nov 12, 2021
2,160
It's definitely how i play the cards…
 
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FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
43,244
After all, we all experience life differently and have different limits as to what we can cope with in life. Although many do, I do think that for someone to be suicidal they don't necessarily have to have an extremely awful life. Some people might simply have no interest in living and don't see life to be worth it and also some people would rather just die at a time of their own choosing rather than leave this world at a time out of their control.

But suicide is a personal decision and we all have different circumstances leading to that point and I don't always think that everyone who had ctb had a life worse than many others, they just saw it as preferable to exit for whatever reason.
 
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emgrl

Mage
Aug 6, 2022
575
I have to say, after just experiencing a trauma this year, how it has rewritten the hardwiring of my brain… we Definitely have it worse. I used to think I had anxiety, I long for that feeling at this point. "Normal" people don't understand what true anxiety and depression are. I can easily and truthfully say that, because I have just recently become this way. It's terrifying, and I wouldn't wish this upon anyone. I feel for those that have been suffering for years… I've only experienced this for the past few months, and I'm already at the end of my rope.
Those that have gone on for years, you are all so strong. Stronger than you know.
I wish us all the peace we desire and deserve. Love to you all ❤️
 
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Mofreeko

Mofreeko

Arcanist
Apr 7, 2019
478
I am a huge believer in the Matthew Effect: "The Matthew Effect refers to a pattern in which those who begin with advantage accumulate more advantage over time and those who begin with disadvantage become more disadvantaged over time. The result is ever-widening differences between the advantaged and disadvantaged."

This can be applied to wealth, social skills/having friends, relationships, ect.
 
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makethepainstop

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Sep 16, 2022
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I think that we have a genetic basis for our feelings. We seem to use a certain logic, that we add up events, facts, and experiences. Then we decide the stressors are too great to continue. Just cold hard logic. Almost like we have a stress tolerance level, when that level is exceeded, ctb is in our futures. I almost believe that we have not actually autism, but a different brain makeup. I also think that like autism, it is found in varying degrees in all of us here. Love and peace to all. I
 
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LaVieEnRose

LaVieEnRose

Angelic
Jul 23, 2022
4,349
I'll be bold and say I think in general I've got the worst life of anyone I personally know. I don't know anyone, even if mentally ill, who's dealt with such persistent suicidality.

But everyone has their own breaking points and tolerance level. Everyone has different things they find important. Everyone has unique traits, characteristics, strengths and weaknesses, and life circumstances. Look at people with addiction. Why do some stay sober and others succumb? I don't necessarily think it's because the people who succumb are just weak. I think a lot of it is that those who have success have certain features of their lives and themselves particular to them that make it easier to tap into the inner fighting spirit (I don't like the word "strength" here) that everyone has but is for whatever reasons inaccessible in certain people. On a similar note, everyone who contemplates suicide could choose to remain alive, but those who do generally have unique features that facilitate that choice. So I guess I'm saying it doesn't really come down to a black and white comparison.
 
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KuriGohan&Kamehameha

KuriGohan&Kamehameha

想死不能 - 想活不能
Nov 23, 2020
1,802
Others I've met irl (mostly older people who think the younger generations are soft and whiny for speaking up about pain) would beg to differ. They love to engage in relative privation fallacy and compare your struggles to those faced by starving one-legged orphans in Africa. Countless times, I've been told (or overheard this 'wisdom' being imparted onto someone else) that even if I have it bad, someone else has it worse.

I don't think suffering can be objectively measured or compared on any kind of scale, due to our uniquely subjective sense of perception. What is life ruining to one person may be surmountable to someone else, and vice versa.

My foster family whom I lived with during high school were very poor. In many ways this was a difficult life. We were the only children at school with no stable internet access, I had to use free lunch vouchers and exam fee waivers at school, our meals were meticulously planned, I often went without enough to eat.. but it was a much better environment for me than living with an abusive family who were above poverty on the totem pole.

Other people might not have been able to withstand this though, and would see being in a low social class as worse than being adequately provided for, yet mistreated. This attests to the subjective nature of what it means to suffer, and how pain tolerance and an individual's limitations in life cannot truly be standardised.

However, I think our world is very blind to the fact that one bad thing usually leads to another, as the poster above me has said. Unfortunate circumstances can compound and completely throw off the trajectory of a person's life forever, resulting in a permanent disadvantage, and ostracisation from the social fabric that weaves society together.

Objectively, I know that the majority of people around me have grown up in stable two parent households. Their families provide for them, even if the relationships aren't perfect at times. They have not suffered sexual abuse, except for maybe a rare one-off instance of sexual harassment at a party or nightclub where it was swiftly dealt with before the situation escalated. They do not have chronic illnesses, nor do they have any conditions besides mild forms of autism, or ADHD which is successfully managed with medication.

No one I've ever encountered in university, the workplace, or in my everyday life, can relate to my situation at all. It does make me feel like I have it worse, because if the problems I faced were common, or able to be managed, surely I would meet anyone who shared these struggles in the real world.
Instead, I get treated like an alien specimen. No one knows how to relate to me, because fundamentally they are in a position of privledge due to the lack of trauma, and the presence of a strong support network.

All of the "support resources" and help out there are crafted by design to be for cut and dry, simple problems. For example, the framework of CBT revolving around negative thoughts or beliefs being cognitive distortions that you can wave away by labeling them as delusions. When you realize you have complex, intricate problems that don't have cookie cutter solutions, you feel completely isolated and alone.

So I would say many people here do have it worse than the average person, simply because the sort of issues many of us grapple with on a day to day basis do not respond to conventional solutions, and have troubles that have spread to many different aspects of their life, poisoning the well so to speak until everything feels hopeless. Most people, even if they have temporarily been suicidal, have not experienced an extensive crash and burn since childhood that has managed to corrupt the entire course of their life.

Being neglected and abused as a child directly impeded my education and limited the number of paths I could take. It permanently damaged my ability to socialise. It ruined my health. Not having a family, or any long term connections, like childhood friends, puts you at a significant disadvantage. When you have had one tragedy after another, crawling out of the hole becomes significantly more challenging, if not impossible. The hurt compounds. When people around you cannot relate to any of this, it's hard not to think you have it worse.
 
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notlongnow

Student
Aug 16, 2022
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There is always someone worse off out there.

The bottom line is does one wish to continue continuing in an existence of sadness and disappointment. If not, then it can only be up to them to choose what they do.

We shouldn't really focus or compare ourselves to others though, just do you so to speak.
 
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Marktheghost

Marktheghost

Paragon
Feb 20, 2020
911
I think we have worse lives than other people.
 
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Buried_Kid

Buried_Kid

Fading to black.
May 30, 2021
25
I think a lot about this. And I feel like I have a great life, a lot of things that I'm grateful for, and things that many would love to have. Even tho, I think about dying every single day and I fail at whatever I try to do.

I would say the problem in my life is just me. I'm the one who does everything wrong. I feel so guilty for not make use of the opportunities my life gives me, or rhe advantages I have.

I'm in a far better life situation than most people here. I think I'm in a better situation than most people on the earth, or in my country. Even then I fail at everything, I'm just an stupid lazy parasite.

I think that we have a genetic basis for our feelings. We seem to use a certain logic, that we add up events, facts, and experiences. Then we decide the stressors are too great to continue. Just cold hard logic. Almost like we have a stress tolerance level, when that level is exceeded, ctb is in our futures. I almost believe that we have not actually autism, but a different brain makeup. I also think that like autism, it is found in varying degrees in all of us here. Love and peace to all. I
I sometimes think about that as well. Usually I feel like I want to blame mental health disorders for things that are my fault, and I want to be diagnosed with ADHD or depression just because I want to be able to sleep all day and say "It's not my fault". I feel so confused. :c
 
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Everlong

Everlong

One last chance to turn it around
Sep 7, 2022
105
My family and friends look at me like I've horns coming out of my head when I describe my thoughts and thinking process. This happens over and over.
"Isn't that exhausting?! Why don't you try and think of something happy?"
Standing in the hospital staring at my sweet newborn baby girl with suicidal thoughts can't be fathomed by anyone outside this forum. My brain wiring got fucked as a kid. This can't be explained with an Ivy League vocabulary and all the time in the world. It's just too foreign to a normal.
I've been told by my wife many times that I don't talk about what's going on. One day about 10 years into marriage I started to unload. I was actually in decent spirits but felt things were good and she seemed open to some dark information about her husband. I started at the beginning and spared little.
I don't think she's ever thought of me the same. Descriptions of where my rage can take me was the icing. Anger is like suicidal ideation in a way. It's a coping mechanism. I hate the feelings it brings. I much prefer peace but if there was a container in my head for how much bullshit I'm capable of tolerating, it's a shot glass. I'm getting better recently.
I believe genetics, life history and wiring we've developed determine our outlooks. Our lives aren't unmanageable. We just don't have the mental makeup to manage them. That's not discounting anyone's issues or trauma. I just have hope that the deformity is in the head so the answer lies there too. I just have to figure that out before CTB becomes inevitable.
 
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Jimblue

Student
Sep 10, 2022
199
Depending on which angle to look at, there are lots of people live in a very difficult situation than me. But it does not make me a happy person. And the things people provide to me it's not actually what I want.
 
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