Do you think there is a point of no return concerning suicide?

[noname223]

I know this is an emotional topic. I have read some people here in this forum who have said they are beyond the point of no return. But I have asked myself what this exactly means. if there is a universal understanding of it and whether I have a point of no return.
I don't want to invalidate anyones feelings but I just want to share some thoughts which I have on this topic.

Maybe different people have a different perception of it. Maybe some people have different nuances on the definition what a point of no return really means.

I think the biggest difference I have to some people in the forum is that I try to escape the point of no return by all means. I rather feel like I am running away from my problems, doing a lot of escapism, trying cling to my tiny hope which I still have. I have read some behaviors concerning it which I would never do. Some people kind of embrace the point of no return. Or they want to reach it. I think people do this with the intention that suicide gets more likely for them. This is not how I am thinking about it. I have a different relation to suicide. I rather feel forced to commit suicide if my problems don't get solved. I desperately try to solve my issues which is extremely diffucult.

I have read some people have distanced themselves from friends or family. Some people do this as a preperation for suicide. I can kind of get the logic behind that. But it is something I would never do. I rather fear this feeling of me standing with my back to the wall. I just have a completely different apporach to it.

Now we could look at the defintion of point of no return. Do we mean for example the exact moment someone jumps from a cliff, took the lethal medication without an antidote. If we had this understanding we literally mean we are close to dying and cannot avoid it anymore? Or we consider it as I will probably die soon and I cannot change it anymore. But what if there is an antidote for the lethal medication? Is the person still beyond the point of no return?

I think many people don't mean it this literally. They rather feel like there are some developments in their life which prevent them of getting an happy end, they see the likelihood of ending one's life with one owns hand as very likely. They feel like the catastrophe cannot be avoided anymore.

I also think like that often. But personally I would not say I am beyond the point of no return. As long as there is still tiny hope to prevent my suicide I don't feel like it. Personally I rather have the conception of it as being very close to dying and there is barely anything that can change it. I think there are somethings that could push me over the edge. I have red lines. I rather use this metaphor having red lines in contrast to the point of no return metaphor.

I don't know the point of no return metaphor kind of scares. With the drawing red lines metaphor I rather feel like I had the control over the situation. Maybe the differentiation is nuanced but I prefer the other metaphor. It is more of an empowerement instead of losing control.

But this is only my personal perception of it. Other people probably have a completely different opinion it.

Moreover why I might avoid the point of no return concept is the following. It is kind of fatalistic and similar to (hard) determinism. I am not a friend of both because I am personally scared of self-fulfilling prophecies. If I told myself I was beyond the point of no return it would take me my last remaining hope. And this hope is literally the one thing that keeps me productive. But honestly the drawing the red lines metaphor has similar problems. Maybe I am just a hypocrite or this is just a personal gut feeling.

What is your personal opinion of it? I hope I don't hurt anyone's feeling. It is just my opinion on it. I don't want to ruin this concept for other people. Maybe some people can even be comforted by it. I don't know. There are probably a lot of different stances on it.
Personally I fear self-fulfilling too much. So I don't use it.

 

[whatevs]

The point of no return is precisely when you no longer have a speck of confidence in recovery and will, for example, actively promote everything that makes your life harder so that suicide will happen sooner. It's a mindset where death is accepted, planned for and welcomed. There is no 'returning' because you no longer want to try returning.

Like you, I'm trying to fight self-annihilation, not run towards it, but it's fairly common to see people in here that are in that head space.

 

[virgilwalks]

I think knowing some members go all the way into planning, obtaining resources, a date time place; they set up the method - it's ready to go - then change their mind and then choose to postpone or go into recovery is evidence of a fluid dynamic. Each individual chooses their moments of decision making beat by beat. I would not presume to second guess their decisions. The evidence supports a conclusion that a point of no return would be when someone dies but not before.

 

[Foresight]

I spent years actively shutting down attachment to life. Grieving, letting go of hope, releasing the will to live, terminating contact with others etc. It's kind of a big project so I understand when people focus in and nurture it when they're on their way to their destination. I think the will to live is one of the greatest forces inside us. It's why SI is such a hurdle. If we ever want to turn around on our path because of shifting circumstances easing up our suffering we have quite a strong energy to tap into. Circumstances don't always shift though, and sometimes you're carrying a heavy load for the trip back into life so it's not always the desired choice. I'm a believer that generally speaking the point of no return is the jump.

 

[Hurt]

My case is a point of no return. I lost interest in life some years ago. I just try to survive the day until I die. This is not life but there's nothing else I can do. Money can't make me happy.

 

[Hope:-)]

I think there is a point where someone actively chooses suicide, yes. That's where I'm at

 

[lessonlearned]

point of no return in my opinion means making a final decision. being ok with ctb and not turning back from doing so no matter what.

 

[Siclop]

in my opinion the only real point of no return is death, life is strange alot of things can happens good or bad that influences your way of thinking, so its impossible to say thats dont have a point of no return in life, and i dont think its possible someone have 100% certain in cbt till it was done

 

[FuneralCry]

I think that maybe the individual reaches a point of no return when they are certain about their decision to ctb and they have no more doubts, they know that there is nothing left for them here in this world, and nothing could possibly change their mind and make them feel differently.

 

[whatevs]

point of no return in my opinion means making a final decision. being ok with ctb and not turning back from doing so no matter what.

Yes, that is true, but I think there's no definitive point of no return. The right person, the right environment, the right health improvement, would mean that you would back off and start living again.

This is what the users saying there's no point of no return before killing yourself mean, I think. They don't want this idea to mean there's a point where recovery is wholly unattainable.

It's just a matter of how unlikely that development is, but in theory we could all find what we want in life. So IMO it's a "point of mostly no return", then.

 

[KQuotientW]

9 years of (not an ex, everyone assumes) stalker, police doing nothing about it. Police siding with stalker because stalker's father is a bail justice - works alongside police, not a private industry (like overseas). Police also siding with stalker because my ex (if you can call him that) was a cop whom I reported for domestic violence and sexual assaults, and Australian police love to protect their own, even if the stupid prick also ended up on sex offender register for molesting a kid. Police protect past and current police, no matter what. They punish victims and I've put up with their shit for 30 years, this August. I have no criminal record.

Also, I have a degenerative, genetic disability. I'm middle aged, can't afford to move closer to the medical specialists I need to make my life a bit easier. Can't pull $1.5mil out of thin air to buy a rundown, condemnable dwelling in the metropolitan area of Sydney or Brisbane or Melbourne.

Can't get work to improve my financial situation, which would help me move, because I live in a parochial, insular, small, country town who grant jobs only to their 500 cousins. Plus, they notice my use of a mobility aid and think I'm too stupid to carry out set tasks. My mobility aid doesn't power my brain, it's for my legs, FFS. I do have chronic pain, though, of course, made worse because I can't access specialists. Plus, can't get / use medically prescribed cannabis because it's still illegal to drive with it in your system and the cops are looking for an angle on me.

My life is not going to improve and feels like constant buggery. I've reached my point. I've made up my mind. There's no point in living just so others can keep torturing me. Stupid jacks. They'll either pop a cork because they finally silenced me or be disappointed that they can't torture me anymore.

 

[Idontmatter]

I guess sadly I'm at the point of no return. I'm ready to ctb. Any motivation to live or fight to live is now gone. The self hatred is now at the max. As crazy as it sounds I'm excited to pass away because I won't feel like this anymore.

 

[Lifeless mindset]

The point of no return is when you go through with plans and succeed.

 

[hellispink]

I think that as long one has hope over the world and one's circumstances, things could change. However, once one reaches the point of no return is when all our will and sense of emotions are totally vanished. For me, I am in a point of no return. I have tried everything and I cannot feel emotions anymore. When you lose yourself completely and you accept death as more of a philosophical approach into what life is, there is when the point of no return comes to the door. Yes , indeed my situation could improve. But will the world change if we have been living this way for centuries? How can I live comfortably or improve myself if there is other people suffering because the system is just made for some? I just can't ignore the suffering that there is outside my own world. That is where the point of no return came to be for me, when I realize that not just be suffering but that no matter what one does, humans are evil and people will constantly keep suffering just for the sake of it. That for me is a world that I do not want to live in.

 

[rationaltake]

Yes, that is true, but I think there's no definitive point of no return. The right person, the right environment, the right health improvement, would mean that you would back off and start living again.

This is what the users saying there's no point of no return before killing yourself mean, I think. They don't want this idea to mean there's a point where recovery is wholly unattainable.

It's just a matter of how unlikely that development is, but in theory we could all find what we want in life. So IMO it's a "point of mostly no return", then.

What would solve me is not physically possible in this world. Some things are not fixable. It then becomes a question of what we are prepared to accept.

 

[Passersby]

The way I see this is that there are 2 parts and or categories that best fit with the point of no return.

1. The physical point of no return. An example of this would be when you have just stepped off the cliff, or jumped out of an airplane. In other words, after a deadly method has been executed.

2. The other one falls within the individual and there suffering. It would include a wide range of scenarios that can't be fixed or gone back on. It could still be physical and likely would be a combination of things. Too far gone. It falls under the individuals mind and problems that are unable to now be repaired.

Yes I think there can definitely be a point of no return with ctb.

 

[ImmaMacGuffin]

I thought I was at my point of no return each of the 3 times I gave all my shit away. After the last time I just never bothered to collect anything again, now I have nothing to give away, I'm tired, and I'm okay with it being past the point of no return. I'm only here for my pup.

 

[ph0enix]

i bought the stuff i need for 300€

it kinda made me crazy in a way, because once everything was there i felt bad about it
on the other hand, my will to live still is nonexistent. so it's strange

but in my heart it feels good to know that also others prepped everything and investors resources and still tool another route

because my investment kinda seemed like closing the door

yet i am here and apart from the investment i still have the freedom to change my mind

im aware of self-evoked determinism and don't want that. so i let time in and see where it goes