Leavesfromthevine

Leavesfromthevine

Untreated Trauma
Nov 23, 2023
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I've recently been thinking and even asking people why they want to live and a significant amount of older people say they just do it for their kids. Do you think that plays an important factor into so many young people choosing to ctb? Is it some other reason?
 
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breezeboy

breezeboy

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Dec 8, 2023
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Honestly no. I think I our current generation has a completely different set of values and things that make life important to them or not compared to the previous ones.
Me personally im 22 and maybe would like a son but i could never bring myself to force someone else into this world when for so long I've cursed my existence. Not to mention how fucked up in the head I am.. I can't pass that on to somebody else.

I think mental health is probably the biggest factor in ctb for most younger people today.
 
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Spiritual survivor

Spiritual survivor

A born again but occasionally suicidal
Feb 13, 2022
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I'm sure it's part of the reason. Kids create responsibility and reasons to stick around. I think the bigger reason is the economy is shit and they can't afford to get started in life. It's very expensive to exist nowadays. Without some economic freedom u have no freedom and that's what is happening for many working class people around the world. No freedom and can't afford housing or basic necessities. There is no middle class anymore. Now u will only have poor and rich no inbetween and no upward mobility to ever get out of the poor caste. This was done by design. The wealthy powerful want to stay rich and keep a slave class to do actual work they won't do. There's no community anymore like there was back decades ago, lack of social cohesion, family breakdown, division because of cultural and racial differences, division created between men and women. I forgot to mention people need to be able to afford to have like 3 or 4 kids to even have an economy but many people can't afford kids and also in many cases people are turned off to having kids for valid but also less valid reasons. We are not overpopulated despite what pple think, that's a lie we are told by the pple who hate certain cultures and want us to die out.
 
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No. Older adults statistically kill themselves more than younger adults and that includes parents. This forum is not reflective of society at large because older adults are not as chronicly online as younger adults tend to be.
 
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DoubleUp8

DoubleUp8

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Dec 14, 2023
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Spiritual survivor got it right.
 
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Lookoutbelow

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Sep 14, 2023
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I'm sure it's part of the reason. Kids create responsibility and reasons to stick around. I think the bigger reason is the economy is shit and they can't afford to get started in life. It's very expensive to exist nowadays. Without some economic freedom u have no freedom and that's what is happening for many working class people around the world. No freedom and can't afford housing or basic necessities. There is no middle class anymore. Now u will only have poor and rich no inbetween and no upward mobility to ever get out of the poor caste. This was done by design. The wealthy powerful want to stay rich and keep a slave class to do actual work they won't do. There's no community anymore like there was back decades ago, lack of social cohesion, family breakdown, division because of cultural and racial differences, division created between men and women.
Seeing well written posts like this helps me solidify my resolve to be gone from this Earth. I'm not young. I have seen societal decay. You are correct.
 
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Spiritual survivor

Spiritual survivor

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Feb 13, 2022
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Spiritual survivor got it right.
Thanks. I'm sure there's things I'm missing but having financial freedom is essential to having a life in this world. Also the ability for people to own their land and homes, businesses and the land the business is on also. Property tax is a crime.
 
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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
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I believe many wish to ctb as they have awareness that existence is very undesirable and just causes suffering, this is why I wish to be gone. Existence itself is enough of a reason to make one wish to die, as after all existence is very futile and harmful, it's burdensome to exist as a human in this hellish reality.
 
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Seered Doom

Seered Doom

A nihilist going through an unrelinquished Hell
Sep 9, 2023
881
I don't think it's because of not having kids for the most part. I would easily say that a similar amount to what we see now or perhaps even more would be here with that condition in place since it's the mindset of a suicidal person that leads one here. Kids probably wouldn't make much of an impact and I would argue it would be a factor for some who experience sexual abuse and rape more likely to end up on here. What would I know though? I'm only 23 and have been sexually abused and raped.
 
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Spiritual survivor

Spiritual survivor

A born again but occasionally suicidal
Feb 13, 2022
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Seeing well written posts like this helps me solidify my resolve to be gone from this Earth. I'm not young. I have seen societal decay. You are correct.
I'm sorry for being depressing. I know we are on this site and it can be depressing but I don't want to encourage people to feel that their future is hopeless either. This life here in this world is not all there is, but if people believe there is nothing else they are more likely to end their life here. Even if u believe in God and that he will provide for us, u can still be pushed to end your life b/c of circumstances that become overwhelming.
 
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DoubleUp8

DoubleUp8

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Dec 14, 2023
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I hope spiritual survivor does not ctb any time soon. The world needs intelligent people and spiritual survivor comes across as highly intelligent
 
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Teleftaía Anapnoí

Teleftaía Anapnoí

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Jul 6, 2023
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I'm a father and I've said many times that what hurts me the most is bringing my daughter into this world. The world since she was born has changed so much, I imagine when she is 10 years old. I also thought that when she was born I would gain the strength to continue. It didn't happen and I'll be leaving soon, I'm just taking a few last shots of courage. Yes, it hurts me a lot to leave her, I wish I could do more, but honestly I'm too broken for that.
 
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Abyssal

Abyssal

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Nov 26, 2023
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Over the last year I've been on and off sasu, I have found that the reasoning behind why people ctb differs greatly. I understand that you are maybe referring to a butterfly effect sort of ordeal, but even then I don't think that could be everyone's reasoning.
 
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Leavesfromthevine

Leavesfromthevine

Untreated Trauma
Nov 23, 2023
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Over the last year I've been on and off sasu, I have found that the reasoning behind why people ctb differs greatly. I understand that you are maybe referring to a butterfly effect sort of ordeal, but even then I don't think that could be everyone's reasoning.
It was just a good example from my real life experience, I know everyone is different but the main reason I said that was to get a discussion started for this exact topic.
 
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I'm sure it's part of the reason. Kids create responsibility and reasons to stick around. I think the bigger reason is the economy is shit and they can't afford to get started in life. It's very expensive to exist nowadays. Without some economic freedom u have no freedom and that's what is happening for many working class people around the world. No freedom and can't afford housing or basic necessities. There is no middle class anymore. Now u will only have poor and rich no inbetween and no upward mobility to ever get out of the poor caste. This was done by design. The wealthy powerful want to stay rich and keep a slave class to do actual work they won't do. There's no community anymore like there was back decades ago, lack of social cohesion, family breakdown, division because of cultural and racial differences, division created between men and women. I forgot to mention people need to be able to afford to have like 3 or 4 kids to even have an economy but many people can't afford kids and also in many cases people are turned off to having kids for valid but also less valid reasons. We are not overpopulated despite what pple think, that's a lie we are told by the pple who hate certain cultures and want us to die out.
Also why would I want to have kids anyway, bring them into the same situation where they'll struggle through their own set of problems.
 
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ijustwishtodie

ijustwishtodie

death will be my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
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No, not at all. Me not contributing to have kids makes me feel better as opposed to feeling worse as life is cruel and I feel good that I won't be bringing anybody into this shit world. It's better to have never been born
 
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GettingOut

GettingOut

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Aug 16, 2022
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If your circumstances allowed you to have kids in a stable, loving and secure environment in which you want your kids to succeed, then you might consider staying around for the sake of your kids.

The source of my problems is due to my parents having to marry die to my mom being pregnant with me. They weren't prepared or capable of providing a proper environment for a kid to grow up in. The abuse I suffered because of their poor decisions, is a major reason why I will never bring kids into this world and why I want to ctb.

Blaming the youth for being suicidal cause they don't want to repeat the mistakes of their parents is a bit unfair.

The youth (and everyone for that fact) would be less inclined to ctb if they are shown the kindness, love and understanding they desperately need.
 
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IWishToDie

IWishToDie

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Dec 31, 2023
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Do you think that plays an important factor into so many young people choosing to ctb? Is it some other reason?
From the PoV of a late 20s man who outgrew his optimistic and progressive phase -- Nobody will ever be able to afford a house anymore. Mass immigration is a big problem (immigrants are fine when allowed in slowly, not by the hundreds of thousands per year). No entry level jobs for people because they just pay an Indian or Arabic guy to do it for half the price. Politicians don't give a f*ck. Social media is screwing with people's heads. Porn/hypergamy is real problem, you're not going to find a woman who will commit to you these days unless you're upper 20% of the competition. Men don't have fathers anymore, we're a lost generation. Education is brainwashing, expensive brainwashing. Corporate jobs are soul destroying. Physical jobs are back breaking. Culture is dead. People abandoned God. Too many problems to name. Way too many problems in the world.
 
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Praestat_Mori

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May 21, 2023
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Having kids is a high responsibility. "Young people" are still in education nowadays, young people haven't finished their education before the age of 25 some not before 30 sometimes - please don't get me wrong on this - it's just general estimation. When young people are already suicidal, depressive, stressed, by the circumstances they had due to childhood, education stress and so on then having kids will only put more stress and responsibilities on them which will inevitably lead to a terrible childhood for that potential child/kid.

Everyone is free in their decision whether they want to have children or not, no doubt about that. I personally never intended to reproduce bc I was always afraid that potential children won't have it as good as I had it and that would be not only torture for them it'd be also torture for myself.
 
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Forever Sleep

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May 4, 2022
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I'm not sure youngsters want to die because they don't have children. Most of the youngsters here are scared shitless about having no future or- a future filled with funancial hardship it seems to me. So- in terms of motive- no, I doubt it in most cases. Plus- a lot of people here wish they hadn't been born- why would they inflict that on another life?

Having children I imagine certainly creates tethers to this world. But- if that's the reason they are doing it- to give them a reason to live- I don't think that's the healthiest approach. That puts so much pressure on the child. To be fair though- I'm an antinatilist- so- I have my own bias.
 
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figurehead

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Sep 27, 2023
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I've recently been thinking and even asking people why they want to live and a significant amount of older people say they just do it for their kids. Do you think that plays an important factor into so many young people choosing to ctb? Is it some other reason?
Ive actually also wondered the same. The VAST majority of people seem to be under 25 is it because of the time younger people spend on line or having a child plays a big role too, since the life situation is so different? Having a child has stopped me many times from killing myself. Suicide is a totally personal act, but I think having a child puts you in a total different perspective. When I was pregnant (and my pregnancy was a nightmare without meds) I tried to drown myself in the bath, and once under the water I heard the child's heartbeat bursting in my ears.I couldn't carry on. Unless I'm totally psychotic, it's almost impossible not to think of her, she's a responsibility Ive taken for myself. (Trying to) die was a lot different years ago. It was only about opportunity.
I'm not sure youngsters want to die because they don't have children. Most of the youngsters here are scared shitless about having no future or- a future filled with funancial hardship it seems to me. So- in terms of motive- no, I doubt it in most cases. Plus- a lot of people here wish they hadn't been born- why would they inflict that on another life?

Having children I imagine certainly creates tethers to this world. But- if that's the reason they are doing it- to give them a reason to live- I don't think that's the healthiest approach. That puts so much pressure on the child. To be fair though- I'm an antinatilist- so- I have my own bias.
Just read your post, I totally agree with you. You can't have a child to make yourself happy (or try to since it doesn't work like that) and/or even worse save a marriage, or for sake of it without having a fairly ok financial perspective. I'd have 10 dogs if I could, but I don't for I can't afford that. Kids are way worse of course. It's total bullshit but you see people doing it all the time. I never thought I'd have a kid, I never thought that Id live to 23. Having a child came more than a decade later, it was a well thought decision - did I regret at the time? Of course! I was a mess during the pregnancy, without hardly any meds, and after that with postpartum psychosis and all. But she's my responsibility and not the other way round.
I think I can understand antinatalists, I'd guess that there's a lot of it in me paradoxically. If you look at psychiatric record you'd say wtf did you have a child in these circumstances? I feared everyday that she'd inherit a condition, and I still do. She saves me everyday in many ways. But she's MY responsibility and not the other way round.
 
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Slow_Farewell

Slow_Farewell

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Dec 19, 2023
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No. I think it's because there's a shift in how people deal with external and internal triggers..
Let's see, an example would be (and yeah, this is generalized and oversimplified):
Picture a water pipe. If the water inside the pipe is flowing at a certain steady pace, the water just flows and reached the other end.
However, if the flow is increased, the pipe will try to compensate by expanding a bit in certain places.
In this example, the advancement of tech has led to an increased flow of the water in the pipe and the pipe is trying to handle it, but if the pressure doesn't ease up, the pipe will burst.
In short, I don't think the brain has evolved fast enough to be able to properly process the increased data that technology is now able to provide.
 
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Toobrokentofix

Toobrokentofix

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Jul 7, 2020
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My children have kept me alive for 20 years but it's not got any easier. As more time passes and I'm no further along with recovery I wish I had have died way before having children. I hate the guilt of bringing them into this fucked up world and then abandoning them. There's only so much of this pain I can take though
 
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thewalkingdread

thewalkingdread

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Oct 30, 2023
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Kids create responsibility and reasons to stick around
That's one of the main mottos of natalists. A secular motto in this case. And It disgusts me because it treats kids instrumentally, as a means to an end — of a soon to be parent... i.e. it's pure machiavellianism.

If a person feels the need to have a kid in order to have a reason to live and/or have a "real" responsability in life, this person is going through some serious trouble, or existencial crisis, with their life. Definitely a big, huge, red flag.

Having a kid won't "cure" or prevent anyone from being suicidal. Instead, what this person will probably end up achieving with it is to "copy and paste" this very same miserable state of affairs into someone else's life... This will only amount to bringing one more miserable, suicidal, "soul" to this fucked up life/world/reality.

Enough is enough... People should just stop "the life virus" from spreading. But, sadly, they won't.
 
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iLikeFrogs

iLikeFrogs

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I don't think so. Actually, I think they could make things worse and would keep you there only because they need you. If someone wants children and are ready to have a little human that's dependent on you then it's great and do as you wish but remember that kids arent the magical cure for what's happening to us, but a live being that needs a stable home and good relationship.
 
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KuriGohan&Kamehameha

KuriGohan&Kamehameha

想死不能 - 想活不能
Nov 23, 2020
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You make a really good point, that older people typically tend to have some sort of investment/responsibility that gives them purpose and a reason to keep going, whether that be children, taking on the care of another family member, or a busy and fruitful career. They feel that they have an obligation to stick around for these reasons, especially when they have put a great deal of time and investment into these things.

I think there is some kernel of truth to the fact that keeping oneself busy, whether that's with child raising or something else, is a necessary driver to keep one plodding through life. When you are unable to handle such responsibilities, I believe this is when the cookie crumbles for many people, because we need distractions and obligations to keep the torturous thoughts at bay.

It doesn't have to be children, but that tends to be the case. A lot of older people receive support and a sense of meaning from their children and other relatives. Personally, I am against having biological children in my own situation even if I was able, because I feel like it would be selfish and morally wrong. There are a lot of hereditable diseases in my family which I also picked up, I don't have the means or capacity to provide for a child, nor do I have the necessary community and village that is key for raising a family. Plus I am way too traumatized to handle all of the invasive and demeaning medical crap that comes along with pregnancy and childbirth.

As a young woman, there is quite a lot of pressure to eventually "settle down" get married and have children, even in countries where women are statistically having fewer and fewer children with each passing year. The lifescript you're 'supposed' to follow is a very heavy weight hanging above your head at all times. Frequently you will be told that you must accept the role of mother and wife eventually, or you're going to die washed up and alone. This exerts great pressure on a young person, especially if you are struggling socially and financially. There are exceptions to this rule, but many men (and women too who are dead set on things like IVF) will view you as a means to have children, and will no longer love you if you can't provide that. This has been a very hard pill to swallow for me.

While it's not my 'main' reason for wanting to ctb, so to speak, getting older and watching everyone I've grown up around die, then having nothing to fill those gaps is certainly a factor in why I'm just completely done with everything. I'm expected to grow old, and take on more and more responsibilities, while having no support or ability to do so. Most of my relatives are dead and I have no super close friends. I'm chronically ill and have PTSD, I can barely do anything as it is, and men expect me to become a housewife and raise children?

There is definitely a gaping hole in my heart because I have no family and am going to spend my entire life perpetually alone, but I wouldn't be a good mother. It really hurts to see loads of people my age (mid 20s) entering happy marriages, doing loads of traveling, baby announcements, huge family photos, career successes etc when I don't have shit and never will. I think being a younger person and seeing what the future holds for you can be extremely damaging to the psyche.
 
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