Discussion Do you think that the CTB has been normalizing in society?

[Versailles]

I want to know what you think

 

[CTB Dream]

Unfortunate Scty prolif

 

[dumpstermagic]

for all my friends who are gone, i wish. instead their memories and brave decision are looked at as sad. so i carry their pictures with me everywhere. and when people talk to me about them i talk about how it's beautiful that we can't choose to live, but we can choose how we die. no one should be able to take that from them. stupid society!

 

[Grav]

I think it only gets mentioned more. Not "talked about" or any desire in society to examine it; that would mean looking at how societies function and that leads to uncomfortable questions.

 

[Fwompje]

To a very small extent. MAID is more talked about and I hear less people talk about how it is "selfish", more people seem to understand that someone who attempts suicide is in the greatest pain imaginable.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

To a very small extent. MAID is more talked about and I hear less people talk about how it is "selfish", more people seem to understand that someone who attempts suicide is in the greatest pain imaginable.

You're Dutch, right? So you live in a country with legally enshrined assisted death. How would you say that informs attitudes towards voluntary death in your country?

Anyway, given the backlash triggered by that dumb video suicide is definitely not anywhere near normalized, which is said given that the numbers have been rising and rising. In America between now and 30 years ago (1993) there is a difference of over 10,000 people.

 

[Fwompje]

You're Dutch, right? So you live in a country with legally enshrined assisted death. How would you say that informs attitudes towards voluntary death in your country?

Anyway, given the backlash triggered by that dumb video suicide is definitely not anywhere near normalized, which is said given that the numbers have been rising and rising. In America between now and 30 years ago (1993) there is a difference of over 10,000 people.

That's right. It's also a very Christian country still. I would say people are only accepting of it when elderly have dementia yet those are the trickiest cases within assisted death (being not seen as capable of making decisions despite going through the whole process beforehand).

I didn't say it was normalized, I specified "a little bit" because it's being seen with a somewhat less judgemental eye.

The numbers will keep rising, the world is getting crazier by the day. People are tired, sick, broke, etc. The government doesn't care about those people and leaves them to suffer.

 

[grvsniper]

to a certain extent. at my job i hear teens say "omg I'm going to kill myself" or "I would kill myself if that happened to me" (or some variation of those). so i think mentioning suicide is not as jarring as it used to be but they're still not actually talking about suicide.

 

[Sparr0w]

i think mental health and depression talk has been normalised, which has led to "talking about being suicial" and "talking about people who have died from suicide" to be more common. being pro-suicide is still really, really uncommon, but it's an improvement from lying about how a family member died from suicide because comitting suicide gave the family a bad name, if that makes sense?

so yeah, suicide has been normalised compared to how it was ~20 years ago, even if its still seen as really abnormal.

 

[Grav]

"talking about people who have died from suicide"

The cynic in me asks: are people admitting to it now just to get more sympathy? For all the "outpouring of sympathy" seen when a celeb does it or it becomes news there's very little change, now they just paste on the magic number to call.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

I didn't say it was normalized, I specified "a little bit" because it's being seen with a somewhat less judgemental eye.

Sorry, my second paragraph was addressing the general question.

 

[Shy_Shay]

i don't how it feels for others, i had little to no exp before this site was introduce to me and in here reading threads and discussion i can see your side even better than before, there is so much here to unpack and see for myself that i can't give you a opinion about general public, what i can say is that i would be treat as idiot if i ever CBT, like "he has everything why would he kill himself" for these kind of "talks" i would say you don't really know me or what i am thinking "if you like to live in this illusion of a happy existence then good luck on your journey" because i can't live another day lying to myself. that all sorry if this has nothing to do with discussion i just need to vent a little

 

[SilentSadness]

Suicide is completely taboo, no way is it at all normalised. Even those who are suicidal themselves will instinctually look to pursuade you against it. I wish people were a bit more supportive so I didn't have to face this alone.

 

[AllMyDreams]

I think that talking about being suicidal has definitely been more normalized. For most people, it's no longer a huge surprise if someone who seems happy tells you they're suicidal. But a big part of why suicide hasn't been normalized, I think, is because it really takes a toll on people who care about you once you tell them.

Ironically I am comfortable telling strangers or acquaintances when I'm suicidal because they don't really have a stake in my life. Their lives wouldn't be ruined over it. But the first time I told my family I was suicidal, they were terrified and hysterical, especially because they lived in a different country and couldn't see me, and I never again want to put them through what I did.

 

[Ken Ough]

Yes. Not because suicidal people are getting more sympathy, but because there is less conservative authoritarian desire to control others' lives.
At least all people I know (in our 20s) don't care if someone kills themselves, it just means there's less competition for them.

 

[TAW122]

I would say no, at least in the US, partly because of the roll back of fundamental human rights since last summer (Roe v. Wade) with respect to abortion rights and similar stuff. Also, in the US, there has been more polarizing politics (well has been for many years but worse in the recent years) and also people who are more militant with their beliefs and pushing back. Sure, there are various jurisdictions and states that have legalized death with dignity, but those are only for people who are suffering from terminal illness(es) and the criteria in which one is granted it is narrow and difficult to meet.

In other areas across the world, perhaps this isn't the case as much since I saw that there are more countries in the past recent years that have legalized assisted suicide and what not. Nevertheless, yes it is still considered taboo to discuss about in a constructive, productive dialogue, like casual discussion. The only discussions would be about granting it to terminally ill or those who have severe, irreversible, and/or poor prognosis with little chance of recovery.

 

[FuneralCry]

Absolutely not. Suicide is still so unfairly and unnecessarily stigmatised which disgusts me. There are so many delusional people in this world who refuse to see suicide as being the perfectly rational solution that it is and this is why people wish to intefere in suicide attempts, prolonging the suffering of the suicidal person against their wishes. Suicide will only ever be normalised if our right to die is finally accepted which I don't believe will happen in such a cruel world.

 

[hellispink]

No. It probably will never be normalized at all. Most people do not understand why other people want to leave this hell. Suicidal people are treated like shit and harassed. They are told to get over it or just get therapy when those things are actually for the privileged. The world is nasty and injustice will always be a thing, they need suffering, they need people to keep being their slaves. So they never gonna give people the chance to escape this hell, at least not painfully free

 

[Archness]

Depends on witch society your talking about. Canada, EU, and other countries have assisted-death.

Coincidentally, these countries have a more public health system. I believe the theory that Canada's MAID program's mostly to reduce the burden "useless" people have on their health system.

In the end, it comes down to "What can you do for us". That seems to be the case with these kinds of programs, as they have requirements for them to apply that coincidentally mean you can't make $$$. It's usually disallowed if you're able bodied, unless you have a mental illness that makes you unable to contribute to GDP. There are stories of MAID being suggested to the disabled, like some veterans, who want to live but can be seen as a net-negative for "the system".

So yes, ctb is being normalized... slowly, in small ways, with restrictions.

 

[imlookingforward]

i don't think so, but i wish it was. most people are always gonna discourage suicide and talk about how it affects /them/ rather than the person who's actually suffering. depressing. i had a friend who ctb years ago but i don't blame them for it. like the fact that some people will think suicide is a selfish act is appalling.

 

[lost-unfound]

not at all, it's extremely stigmatized. you get treated like you're crazy and delusional for even entertaining the thought of it.