Do you think that ever in future euthanasia will be legalized for all those who want it?

[Alan James]

Do you think that ever in future (someday, even after 150 years, no matter when) euthanasia will be legalized for all those who want it (not only for fatally and incurably sick) all over the world or in most part of it?

I am sure that in the countries of the first world it will inevitably be legalized for all who wish it (for money of course). We probably won't live to see it but these are the trends: elite and goverments is currently interested in this but not because of the hypocritical talks about humanism, right of choice and right to die, but because of the progress, robots and automation the majority of the human population becomes an unnecessary burden, most of people is no longer be needed for goverments as not even as a wage slaves and cannon fodder.

For example in "Exit International" only people who are over 50 are eligible for their services because the old slaves are a burden and useless rubbish for goverments, they simply do not want to pay pensions and benefits to old people for years. And they all told that they do not want people to become disabled and vegetable as a result of unsuccessful CTB attempts - this is just because they don't want to pay them disability welfare.
For example:

Children are being euthanized in Belgium - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/children-are-being-euthanized-in-belgium/2018/08/06/9473bac2-9988-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f95505762f89

it's humane and necessary in this sad situatuon (this children is suffer a lot with no chance to cure), but pro-lifers use it as an strong argument against legalization of euthanasia.

 

[Mecha Man]

I don't know for sure, but I thought I read somewhere that they were starting to euthanize people in Switzerland who suffer from clinical depression. Or maybe that's just a direction some people there want to move in

 

[tomz323]

I personal think they will, not for another 20 or so years though.

 

[Alan James]

Robots Have Replaced Humans in 25% of China's Ammunition Factories - https://futurism.com/robots-replaced-humans-25-chinas-ammunition-factories

China is replacing humans with industrial robots: the case of Foxconn - https://newint.org/features/2017/11/01/industrial-robots-china

Chinese factory replaces 90% of humans with robots, production soars - https://www.techrepublic.com/article/chinese-factory-replaces-90-of-humans-with-robots-production-soars/

This means that 90% of the factory's employees fired. What do they do now? Where to put them? Most of them know how to work in this factory and notning else (they learned only this). Pay the welfare to them all? Sometime in future euthanasia will even advertise.

 

[Escaper Boy]

We can only hope the society will improve their mindset in the future. I believe such drastic change can only happen if enough people actually want it.

Unfortunately, in most parts of the world, pro-life is still the default norm. Even during my childhood, I was taught with pro-life philosophy in school. Pro-choice is pretty much a frowned upon mindset in my country.

Perhaps, if pro-choice thinking is more introduced and encouraged since early education, our next generation might generate new change regarding euthanasia law.

 

[Mecha Man]

I think euthanasia is a danger to the human race (not that I care about that or anything). I mean, if it gets to the point where you take every 5 year old kid and tell them, "so hey, here's how your life is gonna go. first you're going to spend the next 13 years of your life going to school and learning about shit you're not the least bit interested in, in order to prepare you for college, where you'll be working even harder at learning about stuff in order to prepare you for life and a full time job, where you'll have to work 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, which is what you'll be doing for the rest of your life. Then, eventually, you'll get old, your body will deteriorate, and you'll die.

Or if you want, we can give you a peaceful death now."

I can see the human race potentially shrinking real fast.

 

[Final Escape]

The goal is to depopulate the vast majority of us but I'm just not sure it's goin to be humanely. The reason abortion is legal up till the birth of the baby in some places is about depopulation and altering the demographics. Nothing to do with it being good for women or society. This is also why they push so hard for taking everyone's guns away. Citizens unarmed are vulnerable and can killed and controlled more easily by government. The medical system now is often pushing treatments not intended to cure but only treat symptoms of underlying illnesses or nutritional deficiencies ,misinforming patients on medications/treatments so you will die off quicker.

 

[Roberto]

Euthanasia will always have some kind of restrictions. But at least it will be legalized for the people with certain illnesses. For depression, I don't think it will be legalized never. But for fortune, estate still can't control us to avoid to do what we want.

 

[Alan James]

I think euthanasia is a danger to the human race (not that I care about that or anything). I mean, if it gets to the point where you take every 5 year old kid and tell them, "so hey, here's how your life is gonna go. first you're going to spend the next 13 years of your life going to school and learning about shit you're not the least bit interested in, in order to prepare you for college, where you'll be working even harder at learning about stuff in order to prepare you for life and a full time job, where you'll have to work 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, which is what you'll be doing for the rest of your life. Then, eventually, you'll get old, your body will deteriorate, and you'll die.

Or if you want, we can give you a peaceful death now."

I can see the human race potentially shrinking real fast.

This is one of the reasons survival instinct is exists. Survival instinct is extremely strong, it's like a pre-installed software in our body. Most are not only afraid of the pain and the very fact of death. Even if they suffering. You can see that many of those people who ordered N from A and get it still alive on this forum. Even if giving out N for free not everyone can CTB

 

[Mecha Man]

This is one of the reasons survival instinct is exists. Survival instinct is extremely strong, it's like a pre-installed software in our body. Most are not only afraid of the pain and the very fact of death. Even if they suffering. You can see that many of those people who ordered N from A and get it still alive on this forum. Even if giving out N for free not everyone can CTB

I hate survival instinct

 

[Alan James]

Dutch doctors euthanise 29-year-old woman with depression - https://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2018/02/01/dutch-doctors-euthanise-29-year-old-woman-with-depression/

"Doctors in Holland have performed the euthanasia of a young woman who was suffering from mental health problems. Aurelia Brouwers, 29, who was physically fit, was given a lethal injection less than a month after winning an eight-year battle to end her life. Her bouts of depression, she argued, made her life intolerable and led her to attempt suicide, and commit self-harm and arson. She also suffered from a borderline personality disorder, addiction and anxiety disorders and claimed to sometimes hear voices."

 

[SearchForPeace]

The world will have to deal with overpopulation. Euthanasia seems like a possible solution.

 

[ron_g]

There are some prominent proponents, see the article "Next: assisted suicide for healthy people" by Jacob M. Appel on huffpost.com.

 

[Idorus]

Dutch doctors euthanise 29-year-old woman with depression - https://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2018/02/01/dutch-doctors-euthanise-29-year-old-woman-with-depression/

"Doctors in Holland have performed the euthanasia of a young woman who was suffering from mental health problems. Aurelia Brouwers, 29, who was physically fit, was given a lethal injection less than a month after winning an eight-year battle to end her life. Her bouts of depression, she argued, made her life intolerable and led her to attempt suicide, and commit self-harm and arson. She also suffered from a borderline personality disorder, addiction and anxiety disorders and claimed to sometimes hear voices."

Yes, the number of mentally ill getting green light here is increasing every year. It's currently about 60 or 70 a year what I recall. Keep in mind it's a very small country I live in. There's also a clear call for allowing kids under the age of 12 to get euthanasia. Matter of time. Might be before the end of this year.

 

[Final Escape]

The world will have to deal with overpopulation. Euthanasia seems like a possible solution.

Overpopulation is actually not an issue. Certain ethnic groups are actually not replacing themselves and are dying out. If only it were as simple as we are overpopulated and some people need to just die off problem solved. Certain groups have many more kids that may or may not normally die out if u don't have the modern technology and resources to keep them alive.

Yes, the number of mentally ill getting green light here is increasing every year. It's currently about 70 a year what I recall. Keep in mind it's a very small country I live in. There's also a clear call for allowing kids under the age of 12 to get euthanasia. Matter of time. Might be before the end of this year.

That's really sad because it's like saying, because you're mentally ill u deserve to die. I mean mental illness doesn't mean that u can't have a high quality of life if the society u live in can help u where u need it. Of course we no longer live in a society that values life. You can see this with the legalization of abortion on full term babies in New York. So it's like genocide, because people are put into hopeless situations they agree to it, feeling like death is better than living. I understand why they want to die, but it is tragic.

 

[Idorus]

That's really sad because it's like saying, because you're mentally ill u deserve to die. I mean mental illness doesn't mean that u can't have a high quality of life if the society u live in can help u where u need it. Of course we no longer live in a society that values life. You can see this with the legalization of abortion on full term babies in New York. So it's like genocide, because people are put into hopeless situations they agree to it, feeling like death is better than living. I understand why they want to die, but it is tragic.

It's a bit double yes. Years ago it was almost a dilemma to which political party my vote would go. Was it my familar red social party fighting for more equality and less gap between the rich and poor but.. totally against euthanasia OR the green capitalistic party always defending the rich but with green light for euthanasia. That was a very hard decision... although we could've known where it would take us. Money immer rules.

I think we are pioneers because we (belgium/the neth.) are small and have a "pretty acceptable" social safety net. Everyone is required to have health assurance here (which btw covers the entire euth. traject as well) for example. You won't end up on the street easily here or better said: it isn't necessary when cooperating a bit. I wonder how other countries would justify euthanasia without first having fully taken care of their natives, so to speak. Euthanasia is a huge responsibility and any system will be highly exposed regarding (in)humanity.

 

[S5E51mbB]

Overpopulation is actually not an issue. Certain ethnic groups are actually not replacing themselves and are dying out. If only it were as simple as we are overpopulated and some people need to just die off problem solved. Certain groups have many more kids that may or may not normally die out if u don't have the modern technology and resources to keep them alive.

That's really sad because it's like saying, because you're mentally ill u deserve to die. I mean mental illness doesn't mean that u can't have a high quality of life if the society u live in can help u where u need it. Of course we no longer live in a society that values life. You can see this with the legalization of abortion on full term babies in New York. So it's like genocide, because people are put into hopeless situations they agree to it, feeling like death is better than living. I understand why they want to die, but it is tragic.

First off, you're completely mistaken with regards to the full term abortion bill that was passed in New York.
Anyhow, I don't really see it that way. I don't think the message is that you can't live a high quality life if you have a mental illness. No, I see it as an acceptance for once that mental illness can't always be treated. That sometimes, the pain and suffering is too much, and that therapy and other treatments won't always work. That sometimes a person just is depressed: they won't get better. I think that's a step in the right direction; that is, the euthanasia for people with mental illnesses. You can always say that ulterior motives exist, but personally intentions don't mean shit to me if the actions taken are the correct ones.

 

[EddieAllenPoe]

While I do believe that people should be more understanding of suicide... I also feel being accepting of the act could cheapen how we view human life. This whole future that you've painted, where a wealthy few replace a vast majority of humanity with robots... that honestly makes me feel sick.

In a lot of ways I have been drawn to suicide because I feel worthless. It really does seem like a nice solution... because I could say "goodbye" to this whole fucked up world. The worst part is I don't feel like I have much power to change my situation. That's part of the problem though! Why would I believe I'm worth less than anyone else? It would seem that I came to this conclusion because of the world I'm living in.

I guess I'm not dead yet and I can still talk about it. I don't think people should judge those who commit suicide... but I do believe it's important to be careful about the "narrative" they're developing in relation to suicide. People aren't robots and they shouldn't be treated like cattle. I think there should be more respect for human dignity and worth.

 

[Idorus]

No, I see it as an acceptance for once that mental illness can't always be treated. That sometimes, the pain and suffering is too much, and that therapy and other treatments won't always work. That sometimes a person just is depressed: they won't get better. I think that's a step in the right direction; that is, the euthanasia for people with mental illnesses.

A step forward in trust. I don´t even have a mental illness (meant: never diagnosed) but I went through enough physical shit to make an euth. request credible. Enough people are pulling back after getting green light, so they decide to stay alive. Somehow somewhere I believe that if you truly want to go you´ll win and get green light (within a reasonable amount of time). From that point there are no restrictions and is euthanasia already a very real possibility for all here in my country (that´s how it feels also, I know I will get green light when I´m 100% sure myself but the big question is... when am I all-day/night/week/month/years-long ready for the big step? ....

 

[Final Escape]

While I do believe that people should be more understanding of suicide... I also feel being accepting of the act could cheapen how we view human life. This whole future that you've painted, where a wealthy few replace a vast majority of humanity with robots... that honestly makes me feel sick.

In a lot of ways I have been drawn to suicide because I feel worthless. It really does seem like a nice solution... because I could say "goodbye" to this whole fucked up world. The worst part is I don't feel like I have much power to change my situation. That's part of the problem though! Why would I believe I'm worth less than anyone else? It would seem that I came to this conclusion because of the world I'm living in.

I guess I'm not dead yet and I can still talk about it. I don't think people should judge those who commit suicide... but I do believe it's important to be careful about the "narrative" they're developing in relation to suicide. People aren't robots and they shouldn't be treated like cattle. I think there should be more respect for human dignity and worth.

This articulates better what I wanted to express. Thank u