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noname223

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The uninteresting answer would be yes and then I end it here.

I have been through pretty fucked up things and I am longterm suicide since I was a teenager. Yes I think if people went through similar things assisted suicide would already be legalised and offered to me. I think even one or two therapists alluded after having heard my full story and being aware of my longterm suicidality that it should be offered to me. One quit her job because I think my story burdened her too much.

Though here are some aspects to mention. I think some people could reply to someone like me: I have went through so much that I cannot have a rational thought about that. I am too traumatized to evaluate the value of life. In my opinion one of the main thoughts behind that is: After so much abuse and horrible unfair things that happened to me suicide must not be the end of this story. However I am very convinced about my life that it is a question of when and not whether I kill myself. So it will make the experience for me way worse and way more cynical having to go through with it in undignified circumstances. Their take I was just too biased about life to give it a real chance. To be honest the sole notion that people would reply that to me while being unaware of what I have tried pisses me off. And I think it is a standard talking point in such debates.

I once watched a very mediocre German TV debate show on assisted suicide. There was an activist against the righ to die. After experiencing depression and suicidality she was happy in life and she thought this logic could be applied to anyone. Her line of argumentation was: if someone offered me the death pill I would have already taken it not being aware of how great my life could potentially be. My personal argument for that is I would implement assisted suicide laws with certain regulations and not allowing itto buy N for 5 bucks at the supermarket available for any age. I want to say people who recovered from suicidality and depression can come to different conclusions

Personally I tried so much that I am more and more aware that I am not belonging to that group. I would prefer reasonable assisted suicide laws and that this topic moved away from the grey area. I think this would be an outcome that literally anyone would profit from. However the German parliament recently disapproved new laws and this undignified grey area shit goes on where you have to pay 10k solely for being able to apply for it without a guarantee to receive it eventually. Rich people still can go to Switzerland for sure or at least apply at these (allegedly?) greedy assisted suicide organizations. Giving a peaceful death an high price is cynical as shit.

I could go on with my personal longterm struggle with suicidality, mental illness and misery. But the forum is full of such stories. It is sad that there are suicide forums necessary for adults to inform themselves about how to end their life. In Germany one would say this is an "Armustzeugnis" . It is just a shame of the society not to offer people who reached their limit an exit with dignity. Humans in coming centuries will look back at this time and call it stonage.
 
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RichardFirst

RichardFirst

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Jan 16, 2021
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Not everyone will react in the same way to the same situation. Many people can tolerate stress and trauma that would drive others to despair. The woman whom you mention was able to get through a dark period and come out the other side. Good for her, but the situation for other would not be the same, and even if it were, the individual may not have the steam in the tank to persevere.

In most countries in the West, abortion is legal. The argument can be made very easily that this is a far more unethical thing as the mother is making the decision to end the potential life of her unborn child. With suicide, the only life ended is the life of the person who CTBs, and they are ultimately the owner of the said life. I cannot see why one is permissible and the other is not from a purely logical point of view. In many circumstances, abortion is the best option, and so it is with suicide. Thankfully, I feel the society is moving in this direction, albeit slowly...
 
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Glandular

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Not necessarily. I know that there are people with my physical condition who "fight" harder or try to sugarcoat it. I did some research on self help groups and I was appalled how bad it will get. I cannot understand how much pain these people endure just to take part in the rat race again. Maybe I'd fight more if my life before the disease was especially great, but I guess it was just ... mediocre. So once it gets too bad I will be gone.
 
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Not necessarily. I know that there are people with my physical condition who "fight" harder or try to sugarcoat it. I did some research on self help groups and I was appalled how bad it will get. I cannot understand how much pain these people endure just to take part in the rat race again. Maybe I'd fight more if my life before the disease was especially great, but I guess it was just ... mediocre. So once it gets too bad I will be gone.
They may have loved ones who depend on them. It's very easy for a single person with no children to CTB, but if one has a family to feed, then the luxury of quitting isn't really there.
 
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Glandular

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They may have loved ones who depend on them. It's very easy for a single person with no children to CTB, but if one has a family to feed, then the luxury of quitting isn't really there.
Yeah, I guess that is the greatest motivator to stay alive. I also struggle with the thought of leaving my family and gf behind but I know that they will endure. I will make sure that everything is taken care of and that I thoroughly explain myself through notes and letters. I just know that I can't take this pain once it gets too bad. I also don't want to be remembered in this sick and weak state.
 
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Yeah, I guess that is the greatest motivator to stay alive. I also struggle with the thought of leaving my family and gf behind but I know that they will endure. I will make sure that everything is taken care of and that I thoroughly explain myself through notes and letters. I just know that I can't take this pain once it gets too bad. I also don't want to be remembered in this sick and weak state.
IT's the same for me; I have family, but no dependents. They will miss me, but ultimately, I cannot remain much longer. We should be grateful that we at least have the option of opting out early.
 
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Takamagahara

Takamagahara

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Aug 8, 2023
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It's a "yes and no" from me on this.

I would say it depends on your opinion on nature vs. nurture and whether or not you believe some people are simply more psychologically resilient than other people on a physiological level. I can only barely cope with my circumstances and spend every day teetering. Someone else who is born more psychologically resilient to things like abandonment and neglect might not care as much about having experienced my experiences.

I think a more appropriate way to say this would be that I believe that every human is born with a capacity to either commit suicide or at least wish for it. Anyone who can't conceive of suicide becoming an option simply doesn't have any imagination as to how bad things can get in life.

As some comic book characters are fond of pointing out: "You're just one bad day away from being me."
 
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