Do you think it would make a change if you had access to the best therapists and clinics of the world?

[noname223]

In my case I strongly doubt that. However, if I had enough money to live a comfortable life. Yes this would have the potential to save my life. My therapist/doctor at the clinic wanted to convince me to improve my relationship with my sister. I think his reasoning was she could provide me with money when I end up unemployed. Honestly, it feels dingy/paltry/shabby (don't know the righ word I think shabby is the best) to exploit my sister that way. My parents provide for me. But soon they retire and when they are dead so am I. My answer to the question. Beig rich certainly could save my life but I won't beg for money. Begging for money I have too much dignity for that. Despite I already lost a lot of dignitiy so far.

Some minutes ago I took my SN out of my locked box. I am not sure whether it was a mistake not to order two. The pressure to take will be huge in case I open the sealing. I am scared that it will be or already is impossible to order it to Germany again. I was not sure what impact holding the SN would have on me. I smelled at the sealing. I felt less anxious compared to the first time. The first time I was pretty anxious. My sleep also was worse. Just a few minutes ago it felt relieving. I went through so much shit. My situation is simply so utterly hopeless. I am so glad I have a peaceful exit. It gives me strength to go on. At least for a while. I could imagine killing myself in october. It is very likely I also have autism which in my opinion makes my suicide even more rational. There are so many very good reasons to kill myself. Autism makes it even harder to find a partner.

I still have things on my bucket list. And the most important point is true mutual love. But it is unlikely that this will be fulfiled.

I am in this clinic. And temporarily is helps somewhat. It stabilizes me somewhat. But longterm there are not many good reasons to continue this fight.
Therapists cannot help me much. The society had to change. And it feels naive to believe in that. There is the AI trend. There was a time I hoped in a UBI. But I so much pain in college. I think I am close to my absolute pain limit. The clinic should help to decrease the pain and increase my pain limit. In some sense it does that. But I have the feeling I am pretty far gone.

 

[sserafim]

No, I don't think it would make a change because Asperger's can't be cured. At least my ADHD can be treated though, but my main problem has no treatment or cure. It's just so annoying that I was born with this condition

 

[thenamingofcats]

I don't know but at this point I wouldn't risk it. Some of the top experts have very disturbing views and the more interviews I listen to the less I respect the field. Recently I was watching a well respected NYC therapist be interviewed. She started talking about how she was trained in a country where they still hosed patients down as treatment (water "therapy") and how she held patients down for shock treatment when they were fully awake. She seemed amused while recalling this to the horror of the interviewer. So it's not everyone that's a bad egg but in general I think the field lacks morals and a sense of right and wrong. I consider therapy to be a serious risk and take it much more seriously than I used to. If it was just neutral then I wouldn't care but I see people continuously being seriously harmed by modern therapy, even if some are helped.

 

[Dot]

Wld hve mde a dffrnce 15 yrs ag/

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Absolutely not. I'm convinced I'm therapy proof based on all my past therapy experiences not working.

 

[Alexei_Kirillov]

I doubt it because my problems don't really have much to do with my patterns of thinking or how I view myself and whatnot, and I don't have any trauma to process either, so I'm not sure what even the best therapist could do for me. Not to mention that I don't want to be helped because I see anything that prolongs my life as an inherently bad thing. I have no will to live or attachment to life and that was the case even before my depression.

 

[EmptyHeaded]

Not at all. Which makes me curious. What would a ward do if there is nothing to diagnose you with, nothing to treat? Do they just let you go, even if they know you'll ctb? Do they make something up to "diagnose" you with?

 

[marchshift]

I do not trust therapists/medical professionals anymore. I've been mistreated by the systems for decades. Also, my reasons for leaving is because my loved ones have passed on. The grief is unbearable.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Not at all. Which makes me curious. What would a ward do if there is nothing to diagnose you with, nothing to treat? Do they just let you go, even if they know you'll ctb? Do they make something up to "diagnose" you with?

They'll make something up anyway and give you a cocktail of sedatives that will make you a good little slave.

 

[wCvML2]

I need a brain transplant, not a conversation

 

[FuneralCry]

I'm not interested in suffering until old age no matter what and preferring non-existence over that isn't an illness. I don't understand those who act like others are irrational for wanting death when nobody can suffer from not existing anyway, existence was never a desirable state in the first place and I see no benefit in being conscious and aware.

Having the ability to exist truly is the most hellish, harmful imposition with no limit as to how torturous it can get, I never would have chosen to exist, existence itself is the problem. Anything like therapy sounds like a scam to me, to profit from people's suffering, so disgusting how we exist in such an pro-suffering society filled with pro-life brainwashing with the aim of prolonging suffering even know it's all futile and meaningless anyway. I'd never want to exist, human existence truly is the most torturous burden.

 

[EmptyHeaded]

They'll make something up anyway and give you a cocktail of sedatives that will make you a good little slave.

What makes me so curious is the fact that suicide is (at least officially) protected by law here, so I wonder how that would affect involuntary treatment for someone considering suicide.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

What makes me so curious is the fact that suicide is (at least officially) protected by law here, so I wonder how that would affect involuntary treatment for someone considering suicide.

It is? It seems more like the mere mention of suicide gives all regimes an excuse to strip all your human rights until you comply and decide you actually want to live.

 

[EmptyHeaded]

It is? It seems more like the mere mention of suicide gives all regimes an excuse to strip all your human rights until you comply and decide you actually want to live.

"[...] Therefore, the right to a self-determined death is not limited to the right to refuse, of one's own free will, life-sustaining treatments. It also extends to cases where the individual decides to actively take their own life. The right to a self-determined death is not limited to situations defined by external causes like serious or incurable illnesses, nor does it only apply in certain stages of life or illness. Rather, this right is guaranteed in all stages of a person's existence. [...]"
They'll still lock you up at the mere mention of suicide (children are locked up for just saying they feel sad), but nobody ever challenged it yet, so it may change in the future.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

"[...] Therefore, the right to a self-determined death is not limited to the right to refuse, of one's own free will, life-sustaining treatments. It also extends to cases where the individual decides to actively take their own life. The right to a self-determined death is not limited to situations defined by external causes like serious or incurable illnesses, nor does it only apply in certain stages of life or illness. Rather, this right is guaranteed in all stages of a person's existence. [...]"
They'll still lock you up at the mere mention of suicide (children are locked up for just saying they feel sad), but nobody ever challenged it yet, so it may change in the future.

I wonder how possible it is to sue the psych wards or anyone else who tries to intervene in a suicide?

 

[Pluto]

 

[EmptyHeaded]

I wonder how possible it is to sue the psych wards or anyone else who tries to intervene in a suicide?

Probably rather difficult. There's lots of wards here who are known for abusing patients, yet none of them ever got in trouble.

 

[///]

Probably not, I haven't been treated right by Therapies and therapists at all, I was always wrong and I had to try to better myself which I couldn't, I don't ever wanna go to a therapist in my life again and I will make sure I won't.
I have been mistreated everytime and all the time and I hate it.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

No, it wouldn't make a difference. Human technology is simply too primitive for me when it comes to the mental side of things. For example, my main issues are caused by autism which can't really be cured but, even if there was a cure for it, I'd still wish to be dead because now I know the truth about existence and the world. No matter what, work, existence and old age will always be undesirable for me

 

[InAgony]

No, I think I am permanently broken.

 

[Dusk till dawn]

Nope, i cannot tolerate any pro-life idealogies so there won't even be a potential for a conversation in the first place, i also don't think drugs would save me, if i were prescribed heroin and fentanyl as a treatment for my depression it would just delay my inevitable suicide, if anything, drugs can give motivation to do things, and the only thing in my mind is suicide,

 

[Alltheywanted]

I am simply made in such a way that I cannot and do not want to heal myself.

 

[__noknok]

Maybe. I'm too broke to afford private therapy. The cheap / free alternatives I've used so far haven't been very useful. I like to think that statistically there should be something that can help, even if marginally, but idk

 

[Praestat_Mori]

It would make a difference when I'm the beneficiary who gets all the money what those therapists and clinics will charge. I would be the one profiting and that would immediately decrease my suicidal ideation a lot.

Therapy and meds can't solve the problem that makes me suicidal.

 

[Forveleth]

Nope. I've tried medication and therapy and one of the reasons I gave up on all of it is that I realized the people around me are the problem. Studies have shown the biggest factor in whether someone ctb is if they have a good social support group. I have quite the opposite, close "loved ones" who have steered my life in directions beneficial to them and not me. All of the therapy in the world isn't going to change the fact that toxic people keep trying to control my life in a way that makes me miserable. The only way to improve my life would be for me to make major changes to who is in it.

 

[Scythe]

No, I have a problem with the fundiments of this world and the way humans behave. I would never willingly submit myself for treatment of suicidal tendencies, and honestly professional treatment is just not for me. I don't exactly like the idea of paying someone to listen in on my secrets and problems so they might be able to solve it. I also just like my personality and world views the way it is, going the therapy for suicide idealation might change those two things so I won't.