sasshimi
david lynched me
- Aug 20, 2019
- 38
What are everyone's thoughts and insights about ctb?
I think ctb is extremely based.
I think ctb is extremely based.
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As long as you're 18 or over, and it's not over a stupid or irrational reason such as fewer Instagram followers/lower Snapchat score compared to your peers, then I feel ctb is an act of courage. It's extremely difficult to end your own life
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FuneralCry
Just wanting some peace
- Sep 24, 2020
- 42,427
Of course it takes a lot of courage to ctb. All humans are programmed to survive after all, it is the way we have evolved. Even know we want to die, it goes against our instinct to survive. If suicide was easier, I would be long gone.
Ctb is also difficult as the society denies us access to peaceful methods and many of us have to resort to painful or traumatic methods. There is also the fear of failure, for methods like hanging, people have ended up with permanent damage. At least in my case, I believe it takes a certain mindset to actually go through with it, one of complete hopelessness and desperation.
There is nothing cowardly about ctb, that is a harmful pro life stereotype. We have the right to exit this world at a time of our own choosing, it is our life, our decision. It is perfectly understandable wanting to escape a future of pain and suffering. We are all human and we can only cope with so much. Wanting suicide is perfectly rational in a world as horrible as this.
Ctb is also difficult as the society denies us access to peaceful methods and many of us have to resort to painful or traumatic methods. There is also the fear of failure, for methods like hanging, people have ended up with permanent damage. At least in my case, I believe it takes a certain mindset to actually go through with it, one of complete hopelessness and desperation.
There is nothing cowardly about ctb, that is a harmful pro life stereotype. We have the right to exit this world at a time of our own choosing, it is our life, our decision. It is perfectly understandable wanting to escape a future of pain and suffering. We are all human and we can only cope with so much. Wanting suicide is perfectly rational in a world as horrible as this.
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What has age anything to do with this is there a certain age you need to be to justify your suicide?
Is suicide understandable only if you're over 18? lol
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Snake of Eden
“Ye shall be as gods..🍎 🐍”
- Jun 22, 2021
- 2,473
Same reason minors cant consent to sex. Unless you think age has nothing to do with it too
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Because teenagers' brains aren't fully developed, and they aren't mature enough to make a rational decision to ctb. This could lead to rash and impulsive decision making, when they could've just toughed it out and things may have ended up okay.
I'm all for no age requirement if they have terminal illness or severe mental illness. There's no one size fits all. That's why if we want to move forward with legalizing euthanasia, these things(such as age and illness) have to be considered. I know those things are considered now, but they're way too restrictive(50+ years old, terminal illness, etc). If I recall correctly, most euthanasia clinics won't even consider you if you "only" have mental illness
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Manaaja
euROPE
- Sep 10, 2018
- 1,474
Courage is not an inherently good thing, cowardice is not an inherently bad thing. Both are neutral things.
If there are two students in a school. One of them goes to tell a third student "You are really ugly", it takes a lot of courage to do so, even if it's really bad and wrong to do so. If the another student wants to do the same thing, but is scared and won't do it, that is cowardice, but that cowardice is a good thing.
"The courage to be a complete coward" and "to be such a coward that you are courageous", what truly philosophical thoughts.
Anyway. Yeah, ctbing is often scary. I really wonder how some people can succeed without SI or panic kicking in.
If there are two students in a school. One of them goes to tell a third student "You are really ugly", it takes a lot of courage to do so, even if it's really bad and wrong to do so. If the another student wants to do the same thing, but is scared and won't do it, that is cowardice, but that cowardice is a good thing.
"The courage to be a complete coward" and "to be such a coward that you are courageous", what truly philosophical thoughts.
Anyway. Yeah, ctbing is often scary. I really wonder how some people can succeed without SI or panic kicking in.
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You're literally bringing out some pedo shit to prove your point or something
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Snake of Eden
“Ye shall be as gods..🍎 🐍”
- Jun 22, 2021
- 2,473
Point is minors are minors for a good reason and that they shouldnt be deciding on critical things that needs adult capacity
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Chinaski
Arthur Scargill appreciator
- Sep 1, 2018
- 3,468
You just know he's got "technically it's hebephilia, what are you, a fucking pro-lifer or some shit" ready to go in the replies.
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GrizzlyGrapefruit
Student
- Jun 17, 2019
- 123
Even the most painless suicide is a courageous one.
As others have already said, overcoming your instinct for survival is an immense feat. The mental anguish that your body will put you through is enough to make suicide a challenge.
As others have already said, overcoming your instinct for survival is an immense feat. The mental anguish that your body will put you through is enough to make suicide a challenge.
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I have very little SI, but I have a big fear of pain. If I had a surefire method of peaceful cbt I would do it right now. Did it before and I can do it again. What scares me is the possibility of failing or suffering
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Pluto
Cat Extremist
- Dec 27, 2020
- 4,822
The cowardice argument is solely using a peer pressure tactic to universally shame anyone who is considering CTB. It is not assessing the severity of the life challenges being faced, it is not contributing anything of substance regarding solutions to legitimate grievances, nor is it defining an acceptable standard of living. As such, it cannot be considered an engaged or educated perspective in a euthanasia discourse.
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erdbeeren
Student
- Oct 13, 2021
- 100
Ctb is a form of freedom and takes a lot to actually accomplish. Humans have thousands and thousands of years worth of dna to program us with survival instinct and a drive to live at all cost. In addition to this, humans are very social animals and heavily influenced by each other. These influences beget social norms, understandings of right and wrong, and standards for aesthetics.
Essentially, we are hardwired to long to survive and persecute those who deviate from society's perception of death.
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AnotherTragicName
Member
- Sep 10, 2021
- 83
These questions really bug me.
Does suicide take courage, or is it cowardice?
Is it egoistical, or is it not?
Did you get your covid shot or don't you care about public health?
I feel like people say certain things or ask certain questions only to push the opponent to think in a specific way. In this case, when you say "You want to kill yourself, you are a coward." the person claiming that oversimplifies a matter completly, twists it to his benefit with making you feel guilty.
Life is not that simple and dualistic. These matters depend on a lot of factors. In some ways, in our example, the answer might simply be "both".
Is it couragous to end one's life, when there is no doubt, no fear or second guessing in ones mind?
Maybe It's just logically to follow the road in that case. How is acting in a way couragous, if you are certain about wanting the thing connected with your action, if you have no fear, if there is little pain involved or you have a good way of coping with physical pain?
Is it cowardice, when one wants to make unacceptable, not ending pain stop, and to go to uncompromising measures to achive so?
Cowardice, in my mind, is related to avoiding something out of fear.
And eventhough a suicidal person might not think of having a great future (fear of the future), it's truely the present that's torturing him. The problem is not his fear about the future, it's a painful present that doesn't seem to shift, therefor its not cowardice.
Did you ever hear about a coward, that kills himself in a happy moment, because he thinks that the future might get really bad?
Yeah, me neither. So cowardice doesn't seem that much of a driving force in that matter.
The torturous present might even be tolerated, if the future looks like getting better.
I can't realy imagine soldiers going to war would kill them selfselves, because they are afraid of what they will experience, because it will be hard.
Not aslong as they have a woman waiting for them at home.
They might think... oh well, that's going to be hell, but afterwards, I will be back with my girl and all will be fine. It will be worth it.
Well, maybe that's not realistic, probably lots of soldiers dont really think like that about their duty. Going to the army is kinda romantized and it's in many cases a conscious decision to do such, so in a way, they want to go to war. Still, I think I get my point across.
Is it couragous to end one's life, if you are totally afraid of the afterlife, of the pain involved, of failing needing to deal with the damages after?
Of course! How can that not be couragous? Maybe it's unwise to do it when you are afraid of the afterlife, but I don't see cowardice here. You are facing your fears head on.
Is it cowardice to end one's life, when something bad happens with you, and you are simply afraid of dealing with the consequences?
Yes, I think so.
Same goes for the good old question, wether suicide is egotistical. It's not so simple.
In my mind, it's super egotistical. But forcing someone to stay alive so you dont have to suffer is just as egodriven as ctb and letting the others deal with the pain involved in that.
It's egoism v.s. selfsacrifice. That's the only two option you get. Selfsacrifice is related to self-betrayel, if you ask me. Everyone should seek his own happiness and stop living like a pile of compromises. Easier said that done, but staying in this existence only FOR OTHERS, well thats the ultimate compromise, the one in which you gain only a good conscience. Which will not bring you a lot, when you dont have to bother with a bad conscience in the afterlife, most likely.
Everyone is an egoist. Everyone tries to create a good life, and when they do good for others, it benefits them aswell. Doing something from which you don't benifit is just illogical. So just be like every other human on earth, be egoistical and do it, if you wish to. I seeno moral problem when there is no other way out.
Maybe I would rate that one different when you for example decided to have children, but If you didn't, I think it'svery understandable to say "I didn't ask for this".
Does suicide take courage, or is it cowardice?
Is it egoistical, or is it not?
Did you get your covid shot or don't you care about public health?
I feel like people say certain things or ask certain questions only to push the opponent to think in a specific way. In this case, when you say "You want to kill yourself, you are a coward." the person claiming that oversimplifies a matter completly, twists it to his benefit with making you feel guilty.
Life is not that simple and dualistic. These matters depend on a lot of factors. In some ways, in our example, the answer might simply be "both".
Is it couragous to end one's life, when there is no doubt, no fear or second guessing in ones mind?
Maybe It's just logically to follow the road in that case. How is acting in a way couragous, if you are certain about wanting the thing connected with your action, if you have no fear, if there is little pain involved or you have a good way of coping with physical pain?
Is it cowardice, when one wants to make unacceptable, not ending pain stop, and to go to uncompromising measures to achive so?
Cowardice, in my mind, is related to avoiding something out of fear.
And eventhough a suicidal person might not think of having a great future (fear of the future), it's truely the present that's torturing him. The problem is not his fear about the future, it's a painful present that doesn't seem to shift, therefor its not cowardice.
Did you ever hear about a coward, that kills himself in a happy moment, because he thinks that the future might get really bad?
Yeah, me neither. So cowardice doesn't seem that much of a driving force in that matter.
The torturous present might even be tolerated, if the future looks like getting better.
I can't realy imagine soldiers going to war would kill them selfselves, because they are afraid of what they will experience, because it will be hard.
Not aslong as they have a woman waiting for them at home.
They might think... oh well, that's going to be hell, but afterwards, I will be back with my girl and all will be fine. It will be worth it.
Well, maybe that's not realistic, probably lots of soldiers dont really think like that about their duty. Going to the army is kinda romantized and it's in many cases a conscious decision to do such, so in a way, they want to go to war. Still, I think I get my point across.
Is it couragous to end one's life, if you are totally afraid of the afterlife, of the pain involved, of failing needing to deal with the damages after?
Of course! How can that not be couragous? Maybe it's unwise to do it when you are afraid of the afterlife, but I don't see cowardice here. You are facing your fears head on.
Is it cowardice to end one's life, when something bad happens with you, and you are simply afraid of dealing with the consequences?
Yes, I think so.
Same goes for the good old question, wether suicide is egotistical. It's not so simple.
In my mind, it's super egotistical. But forcing someone to stay alive so you dont have to suffer is just as egodriven as ctb and letting the others deal with the pain involved in that.
It's egoism v.s. selfsacrifice. That's the only two option you get. Selfsacrifice is related to self-betrayel, if you ask me. Everyone should seek his own happiness and stop living like a pile of compromises. Easier said that done, but staying in this existence only FOR OTHERS, well thats the ultimate compromise, the one in which you gain only a good conscience. Which will not bring you a lot, when you dont have to bother with a bad conscience in the afterlife, most likely.
Everyone is an egoist. Everyone tries to create a good life, and when they do good for others, it benefits them aswell. Doing something from which you don't benifit is just illogical. So just be like every other human on earth, be egoistical and do it, if you wish to. I seeno moral problem when there is no other way out.
Maybe I would rate that one different when you for example decided to have children, but If you didn't, I think it'svery understandable to say "I didn't ask for this".
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Fragile
Broken
- Jul 7, 2019
- 1,496
It can be both an act of cowardice or courage, it all depends on the person and their situation. While it takes a lot of mental strength to go through with it, I guarantee that living takes more strength if we are willing to die by suicide instead of dealing with our existence.
In my case it would be an act of cowardice, it takes far more courage and will to live this life the way it turned out for me. And I'm not that strong.
In my case it would be an act of cowardice, it takes far more courage and will to live this life the way it turned out for me. And I'm not that strong.
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