Discussion Do you think a big part of why governments make it hard to CTB is the fact that the world needs wage slaves to function?

[HadItAll]

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[LaVieEnRose]

People say that but they still won't let people who don't contribute (in an economic sense) CTB easily. People who choose suicide would still be an absolute minority and the economic systems would still be intact. So I'm not convinced about that.

 

[HadItAll]

People say that but they still won't let people who don't contribute (in an economic sense) CTB easily.

Maybe in hopes that they will have no choice but to start contributing.

 

[Shadowlord900]

Difficult to tell. In some ways you'd think yes, but in other ways I get the feeling that if the government could get away with convincing pensioners to get euthanized it would save them a lot of money. I'm definitely against the latter though, it should always be the person's choice to end their life and not be conned by others into getting euthanized. It's half the reason why many countries are still having difficulty getting euthanasia legalized, the other half is due to our religious roots forbidding suicide.

 

[Darkover]

even the sick contribute to the economy by consuming things, let's face it if the right to die was honored and available to everyone there would be a mass exodus, the amount of people that would leave due to lossing a loved one or heartbreak would be very high, thats why there so against it they know these lives are shit and lots of people would just leave given the choice, the system would fall apart in no time at all, they invested heavily into our upbring and that would be a lose-lose situation for the economy as your expected to pay back into the system when you reach a certain age

 

[FuneralCry]

Yes, of course. The society needs it's slaves and for so many in this world suicide is simply the superior option to wage slavery, so as a result there is a lack of acceptance towards our right to die and suicide is viewed as being "irrational" to try and brainwash people into being pro life so this cycle of unnecessary suffering will continue. I don't get why anyone would see slavery as being preferable to permanent nonexistence as anyway all that humans are destined for is to decay from age and die anyway. All of the years spent working is completely worthless in the end as life only ever leads to death.

 

[SexyIncél]

People say that but they still won't let people who don't contribute (in an economic sense) CTB easily. People who choose suicide would still be an absolute minority and the economic systems would still be intact. So I'm not convinced about that.

Unemployed people are actually an important part of wageslavery. It's pretty weird when you think about it: idle hands not offered work, even though they want to. Unemployment's actually unique to wageslavery, except during natural disasters and wars

Federal Reserve chairs sometimes explain why: scares the worker drones. And makes them compete for jobs. Unless you're in a rich family, unemployment isn't allowed to be freedom

Highschool students in the US have a suicide attempt rate of 8.9%, so we're not too uncommon

I was curious for other factors, even in non-wageslave societies. So I looked up some articles and a book. Not from psychology/psychiatry, which treat suicide as an individual matter

So far, all the lit I found focuses on the suicidal -- not those banning it. But they say something interesting: suicide is often a kind of protest. And I just realized: classical western philosophy started with Socrates's spectacular suicide, after a court found him guilty corrupting minors and breaking state taboos. And anyone in his society could become a slave -- including Plato. So suicide can be dangerous for those in power

 

[Temporal_Anchorite]

No. That's a bit of an irrationally cynical theory tbh