Do you have to be partly sociopathic or at least blissfully ignorant to be happy?

[JoeFailure]

I feel like on some level, to get past all the suffering in the world and all the people who have been dealt horrific hands, to say things like "life is beautiful" or "this is a wonderful world" has to involve some kind of blissful ignorance or a sociopathic lack of empathy.

I could win the lottery tomorrow and sure I'd go on living and try to distribute that money to as many people that needed it as I could...and I'd be better off...but I'm not sure I could ever really be happy knowing what I know about the reality of the world.

I went out to eat with my family for my brothers birthday and I just looked around at all these people just laughing without a care in the world, knowing about 10 miles south on the south side of Chicago is littered with poverty, kids dying in gang wars, corrupt leaders widening the socioeconomic gap, mental and physical illnesses galore...how do people do it? Is it just out of sight, out of mind?

I just want death and either get some answers or if it's nothing, then it's nothing. I just can't take it anymore.

 

[Miserable]

hmmm i feel what you're saying often but if i won the lottery, I'd at least be okay. I guess knowing that I'm on the right side of things and that I really try to make a difference helps alleviate the guilt of how shitty the world is and how i can have a good day while others are suffering
i do think happiness comes with a lack of self-awareness, or something like that

 

[Throwawaysoul]

That's what I would love to know.

how do people do it? Is it just out of sight, out of mind?

Yes. They just don't care. They have sports to watch, kardashians to keep up with, iProducts to buy and Instagram posts to fake. Society fucking sucks. America sucks. More empty houses then homeless people..


Someone suggested I read "The Empaths Survival Guide"

 

[azucaramargo]

kardashians to keep up with,

This was excellent.

 

[MisanthropicLycan]

I think it would be a lot more simple and easier to be happy if you were born with good genetics and a healthy brain that is unmarred and unscathed by the plague of mental illness. There are still a lot of bad things in this ugly world to have to deal with but if I had a healthy brain without mental illnesses I feel like I would at least have a fighting chance at being somewhat content in life.

 

[JoeFailure]

hmmm i feel what you're saying often but if i won the lottery, I'd at least be okay. I guess knowing that I'm on the right side of things and that I really try to make a difference helps alleviate the guilt of how shitty the world is and how i can have a good day while others are suffering
i do think happiness comes with a lack of self-awareness, or something like that

Right, I think I'd be "ok", but I still don't know how I would be truly happy. I would still ask why and I think I could only get to a certain level of peace knowing I did what I could for other people.

But it would still be there. The knowledge of what the real world is, and the ugly side of it.

That's what I would love to know.


Yes. They just don't care. They have sports to watch, kardashians to keep up with, iProducts to buy and Instagram posts to fake. Society fucking sucks. America sucks. More empty houses then homeless people..


Someone suggested I read "The Empaths Survival Guide"

I think some don't care but that some are just blissfully ignorant or don't understand things like mental and physical illnesses.

I haven't heard of that but I should check it out. With whatever time I decide to stay anyway.

I think it would be a lot more simple and easier to be happy if you were born with good genetics and a healthy brain that is unmarred and unscathed by the plague of mental illness. There are still a lot of bad things in this ugly world to have to deal with but if I had a healthy brain without mental illnesses I feel like I would at least have a fighting chance at being somewhat content in life.

I used to think that. I think I've gone too far down the rabbit hole now. I've seen and heard too much. I have constant racing thoughts about it. I just want it to stop. I don't really even know what happiness would look like anymore.

 

[charlie_z]

Is it just out of sight, out of mind?

Sadly, I think the answer to that question is yes.

 

[justwhy?]

Delusion/ignorance.

The higher status someone is (be it social or socioeconomic) the more likely they are to believe the world to be just.
Can't find source atm.
Similarly, if someone consistently wins a game that (unbeknownst to them) is rigged in their favour, they are still very likely to believe it to be fair.

AAAS

advances.sciencemag.org

 

[Sweet emotion]

No of course not. I know it's hard to believe or even understand and from where we all are right now but there are happy people in this world. I used to be one of them until I got sick. Now I notice only the wrong in people places and things.

 

[Reyki6667]

No.
1) do not have severe mental il nor debilitating illness.
2) focus on making plan and invest yourself on lining up all the groundwork required to make your wish and projects come to fruition.
3) do everything you can and focus on every moment to grab the opportunities coming to you or making them to you.
4) harvest, enjoy, profit from whatever you worked for.

And lastly 5) don't compare to anyone else and focus only on what you have done and can do from your standpoint by taking joy of your own progress, since we are all different it is useless to make any comparison.

 

[puppy9]

The Self-esteem movement is for them.

 

[Mr2005]

I've wondered this myself

 

[Whitewash11235814]

Yes, at least partly ignorant, but my perspective is likely different from yours.

Some understanding can only come in the form of a feeling. Meaning that those who are pessimistic lack knowledge of joy and vice versa.

 

[marcusuk63]

Whenever you see documentaries on remote tribes they are always happy , smiling and laughing , not knowing what is going on in the "civilised " world i guess you could call them ignorant
i wouldn't mind some of that ignorance

 

[Frank]

I once took shrooms that were advertised as the "pure happiness" shrooms. It was such a weird experience I didn't need to watch tv, play videogames or anything else. I could just sit there and be okay with life. I imagine that's what those people feel maybe not happy or without worry but just okay enough to sit down and enjoy the moment.

 

[JoeFailure]

No of course not. I know it's hard to believe or even understand and from where we all are right now but there are happy people in this world. I used to be one of them until I got sick. Now I notice only the wrong in people places and things.

I used to be happy at one point too, but when I look back at it, it did come with a form of ignorance. I didn't truly understand how unfair and cruel the world can be.

Knowing what I know now, I don't see how anything outside of a higher being or paranormal experience that I 100% believed was real that let me know there is some kind of reason for all of this and that there's good at the end of it could shift my perception into being happy in this life.

I mean on some level, wouldn't you have to kill off a good portion of empathy to just look at your own life if it's good and be happy while being aware of all of the suffering in the rest of the world?

No.
1) do not have severe mental il nor debilitating illness.
2) focus on making plan and invest yourself on lining up all the groundwork required to make your wish and projects come to fruition.
3) do everything you can and focus on every moment to grab the opportunities coming to you or making them to you.
4) harvest, enjoy, profit from whatever you worked for.

And lastly 5) don't compare to anyone else and focus only on what you have done and can do from your standpoint by taking joy of your own progress, since we are all different it is useless to make any comparison.

But to me, this IS sociopathic. It basically says just focus on yourself and enjoy the fruits if they come to you without thinking about the rest of the world.

I don't blame you for having that perspective because I do think that's the key to happiness in this world. But that key still involves shutting out reality.

I once took shrooms that were advertised as the "pure happiness" shrooms. It was such a weird experience I didn't need to watch tv, play videogames or anything else. I could just sit there and be okay with life. I imagine that's what those people feel maybe not happy or without worry but just okay enough to sit down and enjoy the moment.

I've been thinking about shrooms and/or LSD microdosing. Some people claim it does make you more connected to nature and that they believe there is a 4th dimension or something beyond good beyond this and it helps you see that.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

Whenever you see documentaries on remote tribes they are always happy , smiling and laughing , not knowing what is going on in the "civilised " world i guess you could call them ignorant
i wouldn't mind some of that ignorance

They say ignorance is bliss. I believe ignorance is a willful thing. You choose to ignore. This is a lack of empathy and is bad. But it's really innocence that us bliss. Not knowing something in the first place.
When you have knowledge of something awful either it eats you up so you change, it or you choose to be ignorant in order to accept it and survive.

 

[MeltingHeart]

I think that largely most people are happy and enjoy life if they themselves are in a good place and their own life is good, I think there are some people that are in a good place- and see the injustices in the world and live to atleast try and help a good cause in any small way they can, to try and ''make a difference" though I think they are in the minority. Most people are very self concerned. - including those that are depressed- which is by its very nature kinda self absorbed - as you become consumed by yr own misery. I think depression can give you this strange kind of feeling of only zooming in on all the very worst aspects of the world & humanity and not being able to see any of the good, however it also works the other way- in that knowing& acknowledging all the bad can lead to depression- but what comes first- the chicken or the egg? Once you've got to the dark side of yr mind (if you stray to far) I feel like it's v. hard to go back to seeing any light or tricking yourself back into that kind of 'blissful ignorance' that seems to come so easily for some.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

I think that largely most people are happy and enjoy life if they themselves are in a good place and their own life is good, I think there are some people that are in a good place- and see the injustices in the world and live to atleast try and help a good cause in any small way they can, to try and ''make a difference" though I think they are in the minority. Most people are very self concerned. - including those that are depressed- which is by its very nature kinda self absorbed - as you become consumed by yr own misery. I think depression can give you think strange kind of feeling of only zooming in on all the very worlds aspects of the world & humanity and not being able to see any of the good, however it also works the other way- in that knowing& acknowledging all the bad can lead to depression- but what comes first- the chicken or the egg? Once you've got to the dark side of yr mind (if you stray to far) I feel like it's v. hard to go back to seeing any light or tricking yourself back into that kind of 'blissful ignorance' that seems to come so easily for some.

It's paradoxical. Being screwed enough to be suicidal can give you an empathy it's impossible to have when you are happy. We see that here. It's just harder to put that empathy to practical use.
Iike to think if a miracle happened and I got my health back I'd be a reformed person and dedicate myself to caring for others. But I suspect I'd just go back to the same old me and live in a bubble of ignorance.

 

[MeltingHeart]

It's paradoxical. Being screwed enough to be suicidal can give you an empathy it's impossible to have when you are happy. We see that here. It's just harder to put that empathy to practical use.
Iike to think if a miracle happened and I got my health back I'd be a reformed person and dedicate myself to caring for others. But I suspect I'd just go back to the same old me and live in a bubble of ignorance.

Yes I agree! Like I'm so upset that I'm so messed up now that I am no longer strong enough to help other- whether that be friends with their smaller problems or things in the wider world- you have to be a good place in order to that. Not to blow my own trumpet but I was a very emphathic and caring for others type person before I wanted to suicide- but def as I had been through so many personal struggles myself- although I took it to far in that I saved no empathy for myself or took the time to care for myself first and then others- so it was kind of self-destructive in the end.

 

[Sweet emotion]

I used to be happy at one point too, but when I look back at it, it did come with a form of ignorance. I didn't truly understand how unfair and cruel the world can be.

Knowing what I know now, I don't see how anything outside of a higher being or paranormal experience that I 100% believed was real that let me know there is some kind of reason for all of this and that there's good at the end of it could shift my perception into being happy in this life.

I mean on some level, wouldn't you have to kill off a good portion of empathy to just look at your own life if it's good and be happy while being aware of all of the suffering in the rest of the world?


But to me, this IS sociopathic. It basically says just focus on yourself and enjoy the fruits if they come to you without thinking about the rest of the world.

I don't blame you for having that perspective because I do think that's the key to happiness in this world. But that key still involves shutting out reality.


I've been thinking about shrooms and/or LSD microdosing. Some people claim it does make you more connected to nature and that they believe there is a 4th dimension or something beyond good beyond this and it helps you see that.

I know there's somethings in the rest of the world and you can be aware of them but if you're given a good life and you don't spend time living it but spend all your time wollowing in the negative aspects of it, you may as well just kill yourself right then and there because there's always going to be misery in this world. But if you have a good life you can do things to help. If you waste all your time being obsessed with the cruelness this world has, it's not much of a life is it? Life is meant to be lived.

 

[woxihuanni]

Whenever you see documentaries on remote tribes they are always happy , smiling and laughing , not knowing what is going on in the "civilised " world i guess you could call them ignorant
i wouldn't mind some of that ignorance

The purpose of human is not to eat, fuck and shit smirking all the way. It is to make way into understanding how the universe works.

 

[marcusuk63]

The purpose of human is not to eat, fuck and shit smirking all the way. It is to make way into understanding how the universe works.

Now available on bluray pmsl

 

[azucaramargo]

Yes I agree! Like I'm so upset that I'm so messed up now that I am no longer strong enough to help other- whether that be friends with their smaller problems or things in the wider world- you have to be a good place in order to that. Not to blow my own trumpet but I was a very emphathic and caring for others type person before I wanted to suicide- but def as I had been through so many personal struggles myself- although I took it to far in that I saved no empathy for myself or took the time to care for myself first and then others- so it was kind of self-destructive in the end.

you have to be a good place in order to that

No truer words...