Do you feel like you're suffocating even though you can breathe with sodium nitrite?

[Defenestration]

Is it a little difficult to breathe with sodium nirrite? suddenly I read yes, suddenly no...I did some research and read a lot of testimonials on this forum

... It's very stressful not to know because it's one of the things that really makes me panic and extremely distressing to live with...

Thanks

 

[whytrymyguy]

Is it a little difficult to breathe with sodium nirrite? suddenly I read yes, suddenly no...I did some research and read a lot of testimonials on this forum

... It's very stressful not to know because it's one of the things that really makes me panic and extremely distressing to live with...

Thanks

i've read the same conflicting stuff, I imagine there would definitely be some shortness of breath and air hunger but not too much. Benzos should help with the panic. I'm going to get RC benzos on the clearnet if I use SN.

 

[Rymrgand]

I'm no expert, but when you use SN, you die because your blood stop carrying oxygen. It's not like you can't breath; you can breath, but it's useless. However, the feeling and the reaction of your body may be really similar. So from your POV, it could be stressful, yes.

Ideally, you would fall unconscious before suffering, but life is not always ideal, as we all know.

 

[GoSan1]

Is it a little difficult to breathe with sodium nirrite? suddenly I read yes, suddenly no...I did some research and read a lot of testimonials on this forum

... It's very stressful not to know because it's one of the things that really makes me panic and extremely distressing to live with...

Thanks

It depends on the person, some react differently than others. Also depends on what you take before taking in the SN. But that should be the least of your worries if you decide to consume SN.

 

[Endofpain]

There is no reason why somebody would NOT experience shortness of breath with SN. Methaemoglobemia is literally its mechanism of action.

It takes so long to go unconscious, 10, 15, 40min. (...and maybe we just think that, because they simply arent able to repond).

 

[Defenestration]

There is no reason why somebody would NOT experience shortness of breath with SN. Methaemoglobemia is literally its mechanism of action.

It takes so long to go unconscious, 10, 15, 40min. (...and maybe we just think that, because they simply arent able to repond).

Horrible

 

[MidnightCat]

You're cutting the ability of your blood to transport oxygen. So you'll breathe, move your lungs... But still feeling like asphyxiating.

Kinda like asthma but cranked 100%.

Although popular for it's effectivity.. it's not great. Although less painful than other methods..

 

[maniac116]

The bottom line with an is hypoxia, which is too little oxygen in the body to support life. I don't know how it affects breathing itself but the body dies from lack of oxygen.

 

[Eudaimonic]

It's the metabolic acidosis that SN causes--and not the hypemic hypoxia--which can lead to feelings of air hunger, though I'm unsure about the intensity thereof.

 

[Defenestration]

C'est l'acidose métabolique provoquée par le SN - et non l'hypoxie hypémique - qui peut conduire à une sensation de faim d'air, bien que je ne sois pas sûr de son intensité.

Can You explain ?

 

[L'absent]

When sodium nitrite enters your body, it will be rapidly absorbed into your bloodstream and will begin oxidizing the iron in hemoglobin, transforming it into methemoglobin. This will prevent your blood from transporting oxygen to your tissues, so even though your lungs will function normally, your body will enter a state of generalized hypoxia. Your brain will be the first to suffer, sending emergency signals that will make you breathe faster, but this response will be useless because your blood will no longer be able to distribute oxygen to your cells. You will feel a growing air hunger, your breathing will become labored, and you will feel a sense of chest tightness while your heart accelerates in a desperate attempt to compensate for the lack of oxygen. The more you breathe, the more you will feel that breathing does nothing, increasing your sense of panic and anguish. Your extremities will start turning bluish due to cyanosis, you will experience dizziness, mental confusion, a feeling of lightheadedness, and a progressive detachment from reality. The air hunger will worsen, you will feel your muscles contract involuntarily in a desperate attempt to take in more oxygen, but your blood will not be able to transport it, and your brain will slowly begin to shut down. You may experience seizures or involuntary muscle spasms due to the lack of oxygen in the brain, while your vision will blur, and you will feel a strong internal pressure in your head. You will hear a ringing in your ears, your movements will become uncoordinated, your body will grow weaker, and your breathing will become shallow and ineffective. Just before losing consciousness, your heart will begin to slow down, your body will be completely devoid of strength, and finally, cardiac arrest will occur due to a total lack of oxygen in your tissues.

 

[Defenestration]

Vous réduisez la capacité de votre sang à transporter l'oxygène. Vous allez donc pouvoir respirer, bouger vos poumons... Mais vous aurez toujours l'impression d'être en train d'asphyxier.

Un peu comme l'asthme, mais à 100 %.

Bien que populaire pour son efficacité, elle n'est pas terrible. Bien que moins douloureuse que d'autres méthodes...

Lorsque le nitrite de sodium pénètre dans votre organisme, il est rapidement absorbé par votre circulation sanguine et commence à oxyder le fer de l'hémoglobine, le transformant en méthémoglobine. Cela empêche votre sang de transporter l'oxygène vers vos tissus, donc même si vos poumons fonctionnent normalement, votre corps entre dans un état d'hypoxie généralisée. Votre cerveau sera le premier à souffrir, envoyant des signaux d'urgence qui vous feront respirer plus vite, mais cette réponse sera inutile car votre sang ne pourra plus distribuer l'oxygène à vos cellules. Vous ressentirez un manque d'air croissant, votre respiration deviendra difficile et vous ressentirez une sensation d'oppression thoracique tandis que votre cœur accélère dans une tentative désespérée de compenser le manque d'oxygène. Plus vous respirerez, plus vous aurez l'impression que respirer ne sert à rien, augmentant votre sentiment de panique et d'angoisse. Vos extrémités commenceront à bleuir à cause de la cyanose, vous ressentirez des étourdissements, une confusion mentale, une sensation d'étourdissement et un détachement progressif de la réalité. Le manque d'air va empirer, vous sentirez vos muscles se contracter involontairement dans une tentative désespérée d'absorber plus d'oxygène, mais votre sang ne sera pas en mesure de le transporter, et votre cerveau commencera lentement à s'arrêter. Vous pourriez avoir des crises ou des spasmes musculaires involontaires en raison du manque d'oxygène dans le cerveau, tandis que votre vision deviendra floue et vous ressentirez une forte pression interne dans votre tête. Vous entendrez un bourdonnement dans vos oreilles, vos mouvements deviendront désordonnés, votre corps s'affaiblira et votre respiration deviendra superficielle et inefficace. Juste avant de perdre connaissance, votre cœur commencera à ralentir, votre corps sera complètement dépourvu de force et finalement, un arrêt cardiaque se produira en raison d'un manque total d'oxygène dans vos tissus.

 

[L'absent]

It's the metabolic acidosis that SN causes--and not the hypemic hypoxia--which can lead to feelings of air hunger, though I'm unsure about the intensity thereof.

You're right in saying that metabolic acidosis can contribute to the sensation of air hunger, as it alters the blood's acid-base balance and stimulates the respiratory centers in the brain, inducing faster and more labored breathing. However, the primary cause of dyspnea in methemoglobinemia remains hypoxia, not acidosis. Methemoglobin is unable to transport oxygen to the tissues, leading to severe hypoxia that the brain perceives as asphyxiation, triggering an increased respiratory rate and a strong sense of panic. While acidosis can worsen the overall condition, on its own, it does not explain the intensity of air hunger experienced in these cases. Cerebral hypoxia is what causes the most pronounced sensation of suffocation, and the resulting hyperventilation response is more due to oxygen deprivation than to acidosis itself.

 

[Eudaimonic]

Can You explain ?

Sure. Methemoglobinemia impairs oxygen delivery to tissues (i.e., causes hypoxia). This in turn leads to a switch to anaerobic metabolism which can lead to the buildup of lactic acid. Breathing rate increases (hence feelings of air hunger) as the body works to expel CO2, which is associated with greater blood acidity.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

SN's "peacefulness" is appropriately rated in the PPH. If you're looking for something more "peaceful", choose a different method.

 

[Eudaimonic]

You're right in saying that metabolic acidosis can contribute to the sensation of air hunger, as it alters the blood's acid-base balance and stimulates the respiratory centers in the brain, inducing faster and more labored breathing. However, the primary cause of dyspnea in methemoglobinemia remains hypoxia, not acidosis. Methemoglobin is unable to transport oxygen to the tissues, leading to severe hypoxia that the brain perceives as asphyxiation, triggering an increased respiratory rate and a strong sense of panic. While acidosis can worsen the overall condition, on its own, it does not explain the intensity of air hunger experienced in these cases. Cerebral hypoxia is what causes the most pronounced sensation of suffocation, and the resulting hyperventilation response is more due to oxygen deprivation than to acidosis itself.

It seems you may be correct that both hypercapnia and hypoxia can lead to dyspnea. Therefore, even though SN does not trigger the hypercapnic alarm, air hunger may be caused by acidosis as well as hypoxia. However, calling it "suffocation" is also misleading because, the person is still able to breathe even if respiratory drive is increased.

 

[Defenestration]

SN's "peacefulness" is appropriately rated in the PPH. If you're looking for something more "peaceful", choose a different method.

However, I had read testimonials saying that we breathe harder but without too much feeling of panic or suffocation...

Here, it is 3/10 peacefullness according to people...not 6 or 7/10


the girl who was filmed on video didn't seem to suffer too much...but we only saw part of it...there was no sound...

The question is, how long does it take to fall unconscious? or people who were found didn't say it was that horrible...10,20,30 min its very long...

 

[L'absent]

It seems you may be correct that both hypercapnia and hypoxia can lead to dyspnea. Therefore, even though SN does not trigger the hypercapnic alarm, air hunger may be caused by acidosis as well as hypoxia. However, calling it "suffocation" is also misleading because, the person is still able to breathe even if respiratory drive is increased.

That's an interesting study, and it definitely supports the idea that both hypoxia and hypercapnia can generate air hunger when tied to increased ventilatory drive. In methemoglobinemia, though, the key factor remains the inability of blood to deliver oxygen to tissues, triggering a hypoxic response that the brain perceives as suffocation. The study also confirms that hypoxia can cause significant air hunger when ventilation is restricted, which aligns with what happens in methemoglobinemia, where oxygen transport is impaired despite normal lung function. While metabolic acidosis contributes to respiratory drive, the hypoxic trigger itself remains the dominant factor in generating the sensation of air hunger.

 

[Eudaimonic]

I also found this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK499965

"Peripheral chemoreceptors consist of the carotid and the aortic bodies. Both sites function to monitor the partial pressure of arterial oxygen in the blood. However, hypercapnia and acidosis increase the sensitivity of these sensors, thus playing a partial role in the receptor's function. The carotid bodies are located at the bifurcation of the common carotid arteries, and the aortic bodies are located within the aortic arch. Once stimulated by hypoxia, they send a signal via cranial nerve IX (the glossopharyngeal nerve) to the nucleus tractus solatarius in the brain which, in turn, stimulates excitatory neurons to increase ventilation. It has been estimated that the carotid bodies comprise of 15% the total driving force of respiration."

At any rate, my guess is that air hunger in the absence of impaired O2 delivery to the lungs should not be nearly as distressing because the person will still be able to breathe.

It would be interesting to see if there's any way to block this signal (or the stimulation of excitatory neurons?), though.

 

[Defenestration]

It seems you may be correct that both hypercapnia and hypoxia can lead to dyspnea. Therefore, even though SN does not trigger the hypercapnic alarm, air hunger may be caused by acidosis as well as hypoxia. However, calling it "suffocation" is also misleading because, the person is still able to breathe even if respiratory drive is increased.

afterward if it's like after running a 100 m where you breathe very hard it can pass... for me it's the feeling of suffocation that you can no longer breathe and a strong tightness on the chest that scares me... but even if there is no suffocation, panic can happen quickly... I remember when I had taken a little too many opiates, I was breathing a little more difficult than usual but without choking, it was really very light, I had no respiratory depression and yet it was horribly panicking... I have rarely been so afraid in my life... so with the sn I can't even imagine...

 

[Eudaimonic]

That's an interesting study, and it definitely supports the idea that both hypoxia and hypercapnia can generate air hunger when tied to increased ventilatory drive. In methemoglobinemia, though, the key factor remains the inability of blood to deliver oxygen to tissues, triggering a hypoxic response that the brain perceives as suffocation. The study also confirms that hypoxia can cause significant air hunger when ventilation is restricted, which aligns with what happens in methemoglobinemia, where oxygen transport is impaired despite normal lung function. While metabolic acidosis contributes to respiratory drive, the hypoxic trigger itself remains the dominant factor in generating the sensation of air hunger.

Methemoglobinemia does not restrict ventilation.

As they say in the study, "The threshold for air hunger with hypoxia was well below normal Po2. Even when ventilation and Pco 2 were held near normal, Po2 had to be reduced to <60 Torr to induce air hunger; this threshold was similar to that required for a ventilatory response to hypoxia. Greater stimulation produced a sharp increase in air hunger, but strong air hunger (>50% VAS) was not present in one-half of the subjects within our ethical limit of stimulation."

 

[betternever2havbeen]

I think this is my biggest worry. I've had anaemia before (vegetarian with poor diet) but I didn't get any shortness of breath even though it's a possible symptom-and what SN does to the body is a similar thing IIRC. So maybe it just depends on the person. It's definitely something I worry about with SN, especially these days when I'm more prone to anxiety and panicking. I really don't want that feeling.

 

[Defenestration]

My question at the beginning was poorly posed... Do you feel like you're suffocating even though you can breathe?
I have édited my title

 

[NitrogenAfternoon]

Look, there's no "easy" way of dying, at least no method that has such accessibility. There just isn't. CTB is a one way trip, and it's going to be horrendously final and that's the end of it. Maybe I am here just speaking to myself because I no longer want these threads to get to me. SI is going to make you panic no matter what method you choose. 40 minutes of suffering is nothing like the lifetime of suffering set out for me. Would I want it to be more peaceful and effective? Sure. But this is the hand I am dealt, and the decision I have made. So be it. So fucking be it. I will be thinking of everything and everyone while I go through it too. Even inert gases will have the sense of panic and SI when it comes to the exit bag. They all do. Everything. This doesn't scare me anymore.

 

[divinemistress36]

When sodium nitrite enters your body, it will be rapidly absorbed into your bloodstream and will begin oxidizing the iron in hemoglobin, transforming it into methemoglobin. This will prevent your blood from transporting oxygen to your tissues, so even though your lungs will function normally, your body will enter a state of generalized hypoxia. Your brain will be the first to suffer, sending emergency signals that will make you breathe faster, but this response will be useless because your blood will no longer be able to distribute oxygen to your cells. You will feel a growing air hunger, your breathing will become labored, and you will feel a sense of chest tightness while your heart accelerates in a desperate attempt to compensate for the lack of oxygen. The more you breathe, the more you will feel that breathing does nothing, increasing your sense of panic and anguish. Your extremities will start turning bluish due to cyanosis, you will experience dizziness, mental confusion, a feeling of lightheadedness, and a progressive detachment from reality. The air hunger will worsen, you will feel your muscles contract involuntarily in a desperate attempt to take in more oxygen, but your blood will not be able to transport it, and your brain will slowly begin to shut down. You may experience seizures or involuntary muscle spasms due to the lack of oxygen in the brain, while your vision will blur, and you will feel a strong internal pressure in your head. You will hear a ringing in your ears, your movements will become uncoordinated, your body will grow weaker, and your breathing will become shallow and ineffective. Just before losing consciousness, your heart will begin to slow down, your body will be completely devoid of strength, and finally, cardiac arrest will occur due to a total lack of oxygen in your tissues.

Damn this sounds very uncomfortable

 

[locked*n*loaded]

However, I had read testimonials saying that we breathe harder but without too much feeling of panic or suffocation...

Here, it is 3/10 peacefullness according to people...not 6 or 7/10


the girl who was filmed on video didn't seem to suffer too much...but we only saw part of it...there was no sound...

The question is, how long does it take to fall unconscious? or people who were found didn't say it was that horrible...10,20,30 min its very long...

Everyone's mileage varies. It's all relative. I, for one, prefer 10/10 peacefullness. I want something that renders me unconscious quickly. By quickly, I mean within seconds, not minutes. I agree, even 10 minutes is VERY long.

 

[Eudaimonic]

SN's "peacefulness" is appropriately rated in the PPH. If you're looking for something more "peaceful", choose a different method.

What's odd is that they state that all cases they observed were peaceful but then go one to lower its peacefulness score.

Tbh I don't put much stock in the PPH anymore. There are a number of errors and contradictions in it.

When sodium nitrite enters your body, it will be rapidly absorbed into your bloodstream and will begin oxidizing the iron in hemoglobin, transforming it into methemoglobin. This will prevent your blood from transporting oxygen to your tissues, so even though your lungs will function normally, your body will enter a state of generalized hypoxia. Your brain will be the first to suffer, sending emergency signals that will make you breathe faster, but this response will be useless because your blood will no longer be able to distribute oxygen to your cells. You will feel a growing air hunger, your breathing will become labored, and you will feel a sense of chest tightness while your heart accelerates in a desperate attempt to compensate for the lack of oxygen. The more you breathe, the more you will feel that breathing does nothing, increasing your sense of panic and anguish. Your extremities will start turning bluish due to cyanosis, you will experience dizziness, mental confusion, a feeling of lightheadedness, and a progressive detachment from reality. The air hunger will worsen, you will feel your muscles contract involuntarily in a desperate attempt to take in more oxygen, but your blood will not be able to transport it, and your brain will slowly begin to shut down. You may experience seizures or involuntary muscle spasms due to the lack of oxygen in the brain, while your vision will blur, and you will feel a strong internal pressure in your head. You will hear a ringing in your ears, your movements will become uncoordinated, your body will grow weaker, and your breathing will become shallow and ineffective. Just before losing consciousness, your heart will begin to slow down, your body will be completely devoid of strength, and finally, cardiac arrest will occur due to a total lack of oxygen in your tissues.

I wonder how effective benzos and propranolol are at reducing distress.

 

[AnotherSadDay]

Well, if you want a method that doesnt make you feel anything then SN isn't your method.
Every method with the exception of N is going to make you feel something (difficulty to breath, anxiety, headaches, etc) because you are dying and the body knows that.

 

[identity0]

I thought most of the panic reaction during suffocation was caused by CO2 buildup, but that won't be happening with SN. Inert gases are meant to be peaceful even though the mechanism of death is oxygen deprivation, because CO2 can still be expelled. Is this unrelated?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Well, if you want a method that doesnt make you feel anything then SN isn't your method.
Every method with the exception of N is going to make you feel something (difficulty to breath, anxiety, headaches, etc) because you are dying and the body knows that.

High-level CO concentration - >10000ppm - should/can be included with your N "exception", I believe.