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Do you dream as you hang?
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I am convinced hanging is one of the best ways to die. Especially full suspension hanging
If you watch some hanging videos people are unconscious in seconds it appears
Neverthess I am curious if there is a period I would be dreaming. Not after death but as the process of dying
I am curious because I often suffer from sleep apnea. It's a condition where you stop breathing in your sleep.
When it happens I face a really violent dream that wakes me up
But in the meantime my body gets stiff and my arms stretch out stiff and my hands form fists. I sometimes go into a small convulsions. It reminds me what I see in hanging videos
My guess I will slip away quickly But relive the violent dreams I have experienced
I am also going with hanging, partial that is. I hear voices.
It should only be a couple of minutes maximum if i am doing it right.
i will be hearing the voices in my last minutes. They shout strange things and repeat them over again while i get strange sensations on my skin, lips and back of my neck, sometimes i get erections.
today they were shouting 'YOU WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH JESUS CHRIST' and constant exhortations how i should postpone my suicide with another month
I am also going with hanging, partial that is. I hear voices.
It should only be a couple of minutes maximum if i am doing it right.
i will be hearing the voices in my last minutes. They shout strange things and repeat them over again while i get strange sensations on my skin, lips and back of my neck, sometimes i get erections.
today they were shouting 'YOU WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH JESUS CHRIST' and constant exhortations how i should postpone my suicide with another month
hanging honestly sounds like a dream. if i were to hang myself (which i am considering) i'd probably use a door and a stack of books to stand on
i dont think you'd dream because you wouldn't fall asleep, but pass out, and i dont think people dream when they pass out (though i guess i havent researched the topic). if you would that would be interesting, the dreams you'd get while hanging sound like a thing you would write a poem about
hanging honestly sounds like a dream. if i were to hang myself (which i am considering) i'd probably use a door and a stack of books to stand on
i dont think you'd dream because you wouldn't fall asleep, but pass out, and i dont think people dream when they pass out (though i guess i havent researched the topic). if you would that would be interesting, the dreams you'd get while hanging sound like a thing you would write a poem about
this, passing out is not the same as falling asleep, you are not going to dream.
All my dreams the last couple of months have been variations of me torturing devils in hell, being transformed into a woman (i am an xy person), and me having sex with or being raped by God
when i tried hanging it sometimes felt like having a dream, like when you're falling asleep but not completely, like the half-conscious period
i could hear tv sounds even though i wasn't watching it
but whenever i found myself in this situation i always ended up suffocating and escaping the rope
that one time i managed to pass out successfully, this didn't happen,
I am also going with hanging, partial that is. I hear voices.
It should only be a couple of minutes maximum if i am doing it right.
i will be hearing the voices in my last minutes. They shout strange things and repeat them over again while i get strange sensations on my skin, lips and back of my neck, sometimes i get erections.
today they were shouting 'YOU WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH JESUS CHRIST' and constant exhortations how i should postpone my suicide with another month
i dont think you'd dream because you wouldn't fall asleep, but pass out, and i dont think people dream when they pass out (though i guess i havent researched the topic). if you would that would be interesting, the dreams you'd get while hanging sound like a thing you would write a poem about
All my dreams the last couple of months have been variations of me torturing devils in hell, being transformed into a woman (i am an xy person), and me having sex with or being raped by God
when i tried hanging it sometimes felt like having a dream, like when you're falling asleep but not completely, like the half-conscious period
i could hear tv sounds even though i wasn't watching it
but whenever i found myself in this situation i always ended up suffocating and escaping the rope
that one time i managed to pass out successfully, this didn't happen,
So you practise partial. I do it and try to bring myself to unconsciousness I come close but I don't dream but as my eyes focus on one thing it keeps like I am a dream
When I look at the recordings I do on my phone I look expressionless but not totally here
When you lose consciousness, your brain enters a phase of survival and energy saving (it will focus its efforts on keeping you alive). Since it's not receiving oxygen to its cells (the ligature is compresing your carotid arteries), and they begin to die and become damaged. Dreaming is a waste unnecessary of energy, so I highly doubt you'll be able to do it.
Remember that we are talking about hanging, an extreme and traumatic situation for the body. It's not a simple faint like when our blood pressure drops or when we are anesthetized for surgery.
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You don't dream in anaesthesia either. At least I didn't. :) It's so weird. Your brain doesn't even register the passage of time. I was put under, and when I woke up, it felt as if no time had passed. Like, lights out, and in the next moment, lights up. And when you're told X hours have passed, you're like WTF.
I think this is what death and nothingness feel like – or what it does not feel like to be precise. As if a piece is cut out of your existence. Except it's not just a piece, because there is nothing on the other end. It's your whole existence.
You don't dream in anaesthesia either. At least I didn't. :) It's so weird. Your brain doesn't even register the passage of time. I was put under, and when I woke up, it felt as if no time had passed. Like, lights out, and in the next moment, lights up. And when you're told X hours have passed, you're like WTF.
I think this is what death and nothingness feel like – or what it does not feel like to be precise. As if a piece is cut out of your existence. Except it's not just a piece, because there is nothing on the other end. It's your whole existence.
I read about survivors who mentioned that after they'll hang themself they could hear voice of their loved ones dead and also sometimes alive ones and also many said that after they got unconscious they saw lights. Then theres is one mentioning I found very interesting which was they could see the scene how they were hanging there from the outside. That gave me chill as if our soul would come out of our body and watches the scene.
I read about survivors who mentioned that after they'll hang themself they could hear voice of their loved ones dead and also sometimes alive ones and also many said that after they got unconscious they saw lights. Then theres is one mentioning I found very interesting which was they could see the scene how they were hanging there from the outside. That gave me chill as if our soul would come out of our body and watches the scene.
yeah once u pass out you'll dream for a bit. Both me and my partner have had failed hanging attempts and we've both dreamt.
when i hung myself it was long enough for me to go limp and my dream occured while i was regaining consciousness because uhm i was like callong out on the dream and the first thing i did when i woke up was call out.
in the dream it was dark and someone i loved was leaving and i was calling out to try and get them to turn back not leave.
My gf dreamt of me and her standing infront of a supermarket and she came undone while she was still spasming, so i guess you dream for the whole time till u pass out then if u come too again youll also dream for that.
yeah once u pass out you'll dream for a bit. Both me and my partner have had failed hanging attempts and we've both dreamt.
when i hung myself it was long enough for me to go limp and my dream occured while i was regaining consciousness because uhm i was like callong out on the dream and the first thing i did when i woke up was call out.
in the dream it was dark and someone i loved was leaving and i was calling out to try and get them to turn back not leave.
My gf dreamt of me and her standing infront of a supermarket and she came undone while she was still spasming, so i guess you dream for the whole time till u pass out then if u come too again youll also dream for that.
What a moving story (: I heard several on the forum. What else did you dream about? All of them challenge the very nature of the organism.
That in a critical state where life is at stake, the brain spends its energy reserves dreaming. Interesting.
What a moving story (: I heard several on the forum. What else did you dream about? All of them challenge the very nature of the organism.
That in a critical state where life is at stake, the brain spends its energy reserves dreaming. Interesting.
Im said gf who had the supermarket dream. I think my brain was trying to come up with smth to live for. Majority of my recent memorable dreams when I feel most suicidal are things that I want to experience more of, things I enjoy. I also tend to associate si heavily with hope. So in my head, that dream could've been a way for my brain to try and trigger si.
It also couldve just been a random af dream idk .-.
You don't dream in anaesthesia either. At least I didn't. :) It's so weird. Your brain doesn't even register the passage of time. I was put under, and when I woke up, it felt as if no time had passed. Like, lights out, and in the next moment, lights up. And when you're told X hours have passed, you're like WTF.
I think this is what death and nothingness feel like – or what it does not feel like to be precise. As if a piece is cut out of your existence. Except it's not just a piece, because there is nothing on the other end. It's your whole existence.
When I was hanged, I was in a complete different situation, not mystic but very provane, I did something that has to do with my job very intensely toghether with other people I know very well, but only on the other side. It was more real than a dream but somehow obsessive. Then I saw someone bending over me and I realised that I was hanged and unconscious. For the above mentioned energy related reasons this all must have happened when the blood flow through my brain was not blocked anymore and my brain was kind of rebooting. The videos of my hangings show that I was unconscious for some seconds, when l was on the ground again. If I would have hanged to death, I would not experience any NDEs.
You don't dream in anaesthesia either. At least I didn't. :) It's so weird. Your brain doesn't even register the passage of time. I was put under, and when I woke up, it felt as if no time had passed. Like, lights out, and in the next moment, lights up. And when you're told X hours have passed, you're like WTF.
I think this is what death and nothingness feel like – or what it does not feel like to be precise. As if a piece is cut out of your existence. Except it's not just a piece, because there is nothing on the other end. It's your whole existence.
When I was in hospital, a lady bend over me and said she is the anesthaesist, then a nurse bend over me and said "He woke up!" 36 hours has passed between this two experiences. In this scenario I had no dreams.
i dreamed in anaesthesia though
in the dream i was floating in the sky and it felt so good
but then it ended abruptly when a nurse woke me up and i was so sad that i was brought back to this horrible reality
What a moving story (: I heard several on the forum. What else did you dream about? All of them challenge the very nature of the organism.
That in a critical state where life is at stake, the brain spends its energy reserves dreaming. Interesting.
"(…) This increased ventral (VTA) activity is consistent with the cholinergic instigation hypothesis since the basal forebrain has widespread cholinergic projections to the neocortex and paralimbic regions of the brain. Indeed, Braun et al. argued that this "preferential activation" (p. 1185) of the ventral pathway was a distinctive feature of REM sleep, and hence, dreaming" (Merced, 2012)
"One view is that dreaming serves no purpose. A dream is merely the byproduct of neurochemical transitions that occur while we sleep. The other view is that dreaming is a product of our evolution."(Merced, 2012)
Looking at projections of VTA I doubt the activity would lower. Most data we have regarding dreams and oxygen depravation comes from studies of sleep apnea, and there is not much about dreams and hanging in literature, if any at all. We certainly do not know enough about nature of dreams to make a claim that this is a "challenge the very nature of the organism". What are your sources?
Merced, M. (2012). Dreaming: Physiological Sources, Biological Functions, Psychological Implications. The Journal of Mind and Behavior, 33(3/4), 173–193. http://www.jstor.org/stable/43854340
Braun,A.R., Balkin,TJ.,Wesenten,N.J.,Carson, R.,Varga,M., Baldwin,E,etal.(1997). Regional cerebralblood flowthroughoutthesleep-wake cycle:An H20-0-15 PET study.Brain,120, 1173-1197
Dreaming needs the entire brain to function, as it is a complex process that involves several areas of the brain to achieve it. And it is common sense to know that every activity of the organism requires an expenditure of energy.
So if you're dying because your brain isn't getting oxygen, this organ isn't going to send the order to dream and act like nothing's happening. The brain will focus on survival and shut down mechanisms that are irrelevant to it. Losing consciousness is like an "off switch," and only vital functions will continue to function.
Anyone can pick up any biology or medicine textbook and read why oxygen is so important for the brain and how oxygen deprivation affects it.
Hallucinations, paranormal experiences, dreams, or crazy stories may be convincing to some users, but not to me. To experience any of this you need your brain not to be in a critical state like dying by hanging.
When we dream, especially during REM sleep, brain activity increases in regions like the amygdala (emotion), hippocampus (memory), and visual cortex (imagery), while the prefrontal cortex (logic) quiets down. This combination allows dreams to be vivid, emotional, and often surreal.
Dreams are shaped by a network of brain regions, including the default mode network (DMN), parietal lobes (spatial awareness), and the temporo-parietal junction (linked to self-awareness and lucid dreaming). There is no single "dream center."
If the anoxia is severe (yeah, you are hanging from the neck with a rope compressing and blocking your arteries), it will result in loss of consciousness and coma.
Because of their high demand for energy, the nerve cells of the brain are particularly sensitive to lack of oxygen. Although anoxia may produce damage to cells throughout the brain, some areas are more vulnerable than others. The cerebral cortex (especially the parietal lobes and occipital lobes), the hippocampus (important in memory), the basal ganglia and the cerebellum (both contributing to the control of movement) are particularly sensitive to anoxia.
When there is also an interruption of blood flow (yes, hanging suicide), as after a cardiac arrest, this may lead to damage in the areas furthest away from the territories supplied by the three major arteries of the brain. These 'watershed areas' are particularly vulnerable when blood flow is reduced and may suffer death of tissue (infarction), like that occurring in a stroke.
Cerebral anoxia may also produce brain swelling and this can add to the damage, by squeezing off smaller blood vessels and interrupting the local blood supply.
"(…) This increased ventral (VTA) activity is consistent with the cholinergic instigation hypothesis since the basal forebrain has widespread cholinergic projections to the neocortex and paralimbic regions of the brain. Indeed, Braun et al. argued that this "preferential activation" (p. 1185) of the ventral pathway was a distinctive feature of REM sleep, and hence, dreaming" (Merced, 2012)
"One view is that dreaming serves no purpose. A dream is merely the byproduct of neurochemical transitions that occur while we sleep. The other view is that dreaming is a product of our evolution."(Merced, 2012)
Looking at projections of VTA I doubt the activity would lower. Most data we have regarding dreams and oxygen depravation comes from studies of sleep apnea, and there is not much about dreams and hanging in literature, if any at all. We certainly do not know enough about nature of dreams to make a claim that this is a "challenge the very nature of the organism". What are your sources?
Merced, M. (2012). Dreaming: Physiological Sources, Biological Functions, Psychological Implications. The Journal of Mind and Behavior, 33(3/4), 173–193. http://www.jstor.org/stable/43854340
Braun,A.R., Balkin,TJ.,Wesenten,N.J.,Carson, R.,Varga,M., Baldwin,E,etal.(1997). Regional cerebralblood flowthroughoutthesleep-wake cycle:An H20-0-15 PET study.Brain,120, 1173-1197
It's very clever to compare a natural process of the body like sleeping with a traumatic situation like hanging. I underlined some information for you in case you didn't read anything you quoted.
Btw, attach the full articles, what I see on the page is not the same as you quote.
Well, enlighten me with your knowledge then. I like to learn. What makes you think what you quoted makes sense?
What does sleeping have to do with losing consciousness due to a violent and abrupt death mechanism that cuts off your oxygenated blood flow to your brain (hanging)?
Can you explain in your own words what the cited information you got from somewhere is useful for?
What do the phases of sleep have to do with losing consciousness in the face of imminent death?
I also want all the links or PDFs where I can read all the information about each thing you mention.
Hallucinations, paranormal experiences, dreams, or crazy stories may be convincing to some users, but not to me. To experience any of this you need your brain not to be in a critical state like dying by hanging.
How do you explain people who are clinically dead, no brain activity whatsoever, being able to explicitly describe medical procedures, conversations, etc.? And I'm not talking about someone who was dead for just a minute or two. There are well documented studies of this, which, the idea that they are just hallucinations or natural release of chemicals (such as the pineal gland) is inadequate.
Separate question on dreams though - maybe you can elucidate.
If dreams are just a mixture of hallucination, fantasy, and every day experience, how come there is no sense of time in our dreams? Our lives are structured around time, yet it is always mysteriously absent from such. Same with travel - in a dream, you just appear places. However IRL, we have to drive, walk, travel to where we want to go. I also see my body all day long - my arms, my hands, etc. Yet I don't ever recall seeing my body in dreams.
You would think that the above would be intertwined in to our dreams, if they are truly representative of whatever is sitting in our memories. The above aspects literally dominate waking life.
Last, the other thing I find complicated about dreams is how we forget them almost immediately, yet nobody finds this strange. I can wake up from a dream with crystal clear memory of that dream, yet, unless I write it down, it completely disappears no matter how hard I try (at least *most* of the time). I don't know, I just find it incredibly odd that in this one instance (dreams), and this one instance only, the entire human race develops dementia and doesn't think that is odd. There is absolutely nothing else in life that compares - ie., I can't think of any scenario or circumstance where you remember something, and instantly forget it 5 minutes later, no matter how hard you try to remember.
Well, enlighten me with your knowledge then. I like to learn. What makes you think what you quoted makes sense?
What does sleeping have to do with losing consciousness due to a violent and abrupt death mechanism that cuts off your oxygenated blood flow to your brain (hanging)?
Can you explain in your own words what the cited information you got from somewhere is useful for?
What do the phases of sleep have to do with losing consciousness in the face of imminent death?
I also want all the links or PDFs where I can read all the information about each thing you mention.
I know this is heavily unnecessary, but would inhaling deep breaths of pure nitrogen gas or pure helium gas until I loose consciousness while a noose was on my neck, and when I go unconscious, I get hanged and my airways are blocked, I inhaled zero fresh air during the process, would I guaranteed to stay unconscious?
When I was hanged, I was in a complete different situation, not mystic but very provane, I did something that has to do with my job very intensely toghether with other people I know very well, but only on the other side. It was more real than a dream but somehow obsessive. Then I saw someone bending over me and I realised that I was hanged and unconscious. For the above mentioned energy related reasons this all must have happened when the blood flow through my brain was not blocked anymore and my brain was kind of rebooting. The videos of my hangings show that I was unconscious for some seconds, when l was on the ground again. If I would have hanged to death, I would not experience any NDEs.
When I was in hospital, a lady bend over me and said she is the anesthaesist, then a nurse bend over me and said "He woke up!" 36 hours has passed between this two experiences. In this scenario I had no dreams.
It took repeatedly 5 to 15 seconds to loose consciousness. The rope wasn't fixed at an anchor point. A partner holds the rope and let me down as soon as I passed out.
The original question here is: can you dream while hanging, once you lose consciousness due to the cutting off of your oxygenated blood supply to the brain? So, while you continue hanging like a puppet from the ceiling with the rope compressing your poor arteries.
No! They are two completely different and incompatible activities of our organism, which fortunately manages on its own without our intervention.
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Anoxia leads to a loss of consciousness. (Note: you can see this with your own eyes in the hanging videos)
Adequate oxygen is vital for the brain. The death of brain cells interrupts the brain's electrochemical impulses and interferes with the performance of neurotransmitters: the chemical messengers which transmit messages within the brain. The neurotransmitters regulate body functions. (Note: the brain can't function normally due to the severe trauma = hanging suicide. In this anoxic state, the brain's ability to be aroused or have awareness is completely shut down. Dreaming occurs during sleep, a state that requires at least a minimal level of arousal and awareness, which is absent in unconsciousness from severe brain injury)
(Note: Clearly. Losing consciousness due to imminent self-inflicted brain damage and sleeping are not the same thing. Sleeping is a everyday normal biological process and brain remains highly active, and like every activity in our organism, it also requires spending energy)
Sleeping is a complex process and several structures within the brain are involved with sleep: hypothalamus, brainstem, thalamus, cerebral cortex, pineal gland, basal forebrain, amygdala.. Also, the different sleep stages are linked to specific brain waves and neuronal activity. (Note: you can click the hyperlinks to read the full articles)
Sleep is a naturally recurring and reversible biobehavioral state characterized by relative immobility, perceptual disengagement, and subdued consciousness. As a predictable and easily reversible phenomenon, sleep is distinct from states of anesthesia and coma, which typically involve the absence or suppression of neural activity.
(Note: So, the only way you will be able to "dream" or have any kind of mental perception/image is if the flow of oxygenated blood to the brain is restored. As after a failed attempt, if you are rescued or the anchor point or rope breaks)
People who have experienced severe anoxic brain injury may remain in a coma or vegetative state.
The greater the loss of oxygen, the more wide-spread and serious the injury will be.
If the person regains full consciousness, he or she may experience a wide-range of symptoms which resemble the symptoms seen after head trauma. The extent and type of symptoms depend on the amount of brain tissue damage and part of the brain where the injury occurred. (Note: like cases of failed attempts for example)
(Note: Returning to anoxia again so that users don't forget the death mechanism in a suicide by hanging)
Our bodies require oxygen in order to metabolize glucose. This process provides energy for the cells. The brain consumes about a fifth of the body's total oxygen supply, and needs energy to transmit electrochemical impulses between cells and to maintain the ability of neurons to receive and respond to these signals.
Cells of the brain will start to die within a few minutes if they are deprived of oxygen.
The result is a cascade of problems. In particular, the disruption of the transmission of electrochemical impulses impacts the production and activity of important substances called neurotransmitters, which regulate many cognitive and physiological processes.
(Note: So, sleeping and dreaming have nothing to do with the survival mechanism of losing consciousness, which is the organism's way of expending its remaining energy on processes essential to the continuity of life)
Note: This video is very illustrative about the anoxic state, where the man after losing consciousness also lose the ability to be aroused or have awareness:
Warning! If you are a sensitive person, do not watch the video.
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His child touches him twice and there is no reaction, only the visible stages of the death mechanism in action.
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