Discussion Do we really want to die?

[AgingLoser]

Or do we just want the pain to stop?
I am so tired. I'm tired of being miserable. I'm tired of hating myself. I'm tired of feeling useless and worthless, I'm just so damn tired...

 

[bigj75]

pain to stop

life is pretty great when you aren't in pain.

 

[Lilly]

I don't want to be alive, life is pointless and painful no matter who you are. We were born only to have kids and then die.

 

[worldexploder]

Both. Just because we want to die doesn't mean it's easy to complete. We got a lot of hurdles to overcome like the panic response.

 

[bigj75]

I don't want to be alive, life is pointless and painful no matter who you are. We were born only to have kids and then die.

Whats wrong with that? For alot of people having kids makes life worth living. Who cares if it's all pointless when you can still enjoy it?

 

[Lilly]

Whats wrong with that? For alot of people having kids makes life worth living. Who cares if it's all pointless when you can still enjoy it?

Nothing wrong with that, it just all seems pointless to me. If it makes others happy, then great, but living just isn't for me.

 

[bigj75]

Nothing wrong with that, it just all seems pointless to me. If it makes others happy, then great, but living just isn't for me.

oh i see. Same for me btw.

 

[worldexploder]

Whats wrong with that? For alot of people having kids makes life worth living. Who cares if it's all pointless when you can still enjoy it?

I think it's horrible that our only evolutionary purpose is to create more need machines then die a painful death. What a legacy.

 

[bigj75]

I think it's horrible that our only evolutionary purpose is to create more need machines then die a painful death. What a legacy.

I agree

 

[TiredHorse]

Or do we just want the pain to stop?
I am so tired. I'm tired of being miserable. I'm tired of hating myself. I'm tired of feeling useless and worthless, I'm just so damn tired...

Oh yes. That is me.

That's a difficult question you ask. If I could stop the pain, in all its forms, and bring back the joy and energy I once had, reclaim the illusion that I'm not a worthless failure, then yes, I'd probably wave the bus past and not regret missing it. But how likely is that return to joy and energy and the illusion of value? The magic mirror that was my life has shattered into a thousand razor shards. There's no way that I can conceive of it even again being whole, or of ever finding another. So... Time to ctb.

 

[Throwaway563078]

Whats wrong with that? For alot of people having kids makes life worth living. Who cares if it's all pointless when you can still enjoy it?

The kid that suffers and didn't ask for this cares.

 

[faex42]

No I want my life to be worth living and I am trying as hard as I can to make to make it so. It's an uphill battle to be sure.

 

[TiredHorse]

The kid that suffers and didn't ask for this cares.

That's why I dragged my feet on having kids with my beloved. She left me for another man, even after I begged her to return and promised to help her have a kid. A month ago she had me meet her, just so she could tell me she's pregnant by the other man.

I don't know what I should have done. Had I tried for a kid when she first asked, the kid might be miserable, but I might still be happy.

What was the right path?

 

[bigj75]

The kid that suffers and didn't ask for this cares.

true

 

[bigj75]

That's why I dragged my feet on having kids with my beloved. She left me for another man, even after I begged her to return and promised to help her have a kid. A month ago she had me meet her, just so she could tell me she's pregnant by the other man.

I don't know what I should have done. Had I tried for a kid when she first asked, the kid might be miserable, but I might still be happy.

What was the right path?

 

[lammergeier]

Honestly, I would much rather live than die under ideal circumstances. But this life is not ideal, death is the only escape I have from this hardship. I have no future ahead of me and I'd rather end it all now than be forced to experience years of more hardship.

 

[MAIO]

Whats wrong with that? For alot of people having kids makes life worth living. Who cares if it's all pointless when you can still enjoy it?

Being that studies shows kids bring down marriage happiness, regular happiness etc having kids is a very bad reason.

That depends whether or not life is worth it which is easily debatable. Their is no life is worth living fact.this notion that life is always worth it is surely ludicrous

 

[WaitingForTheBus]

If the mental anguish would go away for good, then I would much rather live. I have experienced enough to know though that even if it does go away, it will return. Again and again and again...

 

[Threads]

Many of us just want our suffering to end. The thought of dying or being able to die is often a coping mechanism. After you've constantly endured and endured pain, mental illness, and suffering, often times for no reason. You're going to feel hopeless and all broken up.

I don't think that everyone here wants to die. I think this community helps people cope with the terrible set of circumstances life has put us through. This community has helped me immensely. I'm very much pro-choice and support the right of people to take their lives, and there needs to be a community that stands as a sort of bastion and safe place for people to have these conversations without having the fear of being told that they are 'crazy' or 'not well in the head.'

 

[NoOneKnows]

I want to die and live this disgusting 3rd dimension. Currently the situation is I have to die, even if I dont have progressing serious health issues and horrid social anxiety(and being constantly abused and poverty...), I still wouldnt be ok with this world, knowing what is happening, just because I myself wouldnt suffer that much, if this is the way things are suppose to be and I coudlnt change it , i cant be part in it. SO ok this time around its not me in utter dispair, but it might be someone else, and im suppose to be ok with it. No sorry cant do it

 

[Schopenhauer]

I want to die, not exist anymore.

 

[Throwaway563078]

If the mental anguish would go away for good, then I would much rather live. I have experienced enough to know though that even if it does go away, it will return. Again and again and again...

Mine too, it never truly leaves

 

[wanttodie]

yes I want to die i hate my life and living

 

[Dark Soul]

At the moment, my life is ok, but the thought is present..

 

[TAW122]

If my life gotten better objectively and subjectively, then perhaps I wouldn't want to die, but I would always love to have the option to check out at any time or when things become unbearable (which is different for everyone as we all have different tolerance/threshold levels of pain and agony). Another thing is that just because there is temporary relief, it never really lasts and things can oftenly change quickly from good to bad to good to bad, then normal, then bad, etc. I'd rather not experience this fluctuation of changes over and over, just to see the same shit year after year, sometimes hitting a new record low.

 

[longingforrelease]

The kid that suffers and didn't ask for this cares.

yes, this is my central dilemma. I chose o bring a child into this world. I love her beyond measure. And every impulse is to try to help he avoid pain. But now I'm contemplating a course of action that could inflict irrevocable emotional and psychological damage to her.

 

[bigj75]

yes, this is my central dilemma. I chose o bring a child into this world. I love her beyond measure. And every impulse is to try to help he avoid pain. But now I'm contemplating a course of action that could inflict irrevocable emotional and psychological damage to her.

that's why I never have wanted kids in my life. Don't want to risk them getting hurt.

 

[Final Escape]

Not the majority of people. I would say no. Your life just becomes unmanageable and the pain more persistent over time.

 

[AndyCurious]

Not the majority of people. I would say no. Your life just becomes unmanageable and the pain more persistent over time.

Well said..

 

[weedoge]

I think there are certain criteria for wanting to commit suicide and "wanting to die" isn't necessarily a part of the required criteria. Really as soon as suicide seems like a reasonable option I think it's a real mindset change and it depends on a lot of variable factors, such as how bad you think death really is? how good or bad do you think committing suicide really is? Due to past few weeks I decided that I'm not really ready to die yet but the conflict between knowing that I'll never have my ideal future and the fact I think suicide is a reasonable option, it's confusing for sure.

If people don't want to die but they are suicidal, I'd guess that for them to want to continue living certain conditions need to be met that aren't currently. For example, for me, I know that I can't deal with any obligations or responsibilities but if I were left to think things through at my own pace then instead of feeling pressured to do things in a very specific way then I might not feel the urge to ctb so soon and just feel peace with having it as an option. For some people, even me, those conditions are extremely difficult to reach and people will tell you you're ridiculous for wanting to have a comfortable environment instantly and that wears us down to the point of not even being able to take one step.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think we all have at least some vague image of what is "tolerable" and what is "ideal" and if it feels impossible to even reach tolerable levels then it seems a lot easier to spend your miserable moments looking towards an eternal sleep.