Venting Do pro life people make you more suicidal or make your mood worse?

[ijustwishtodie]

Pro life people made me increase my suicidal ideation instead of decreasing it. For one, their platitudes (especially the one saying "you aren't alone") hurts me so much as they just goes to show me how easy it is for most humans to have a friend or nice family members and reminding me of my incompetence to gain friends is painful.

Additionally, by forcing me to live, they make me want to die even more. They remind me just how powerless I am and dying despite their attempts to keep me their prisoner for the elites is powerful to me and it serves as a nice "fuck you" message even though they wouldn't care. Nonetheless, forcing me to live makes me want to die even more as they can control me whilst I'm alive but they have no power over a dead body

Here's another platitude of theirs that makes me want to die more "life is what you make of it". Absolutely rubbish. For most people, no matter how hard they try, they can't go against the unfairness of life. Life isn't what you make of it as life is unfair and some people will make millions from doing something as trivial as using onlyfans or doing some stupid lip syncing dance on tiktok whereas most people with important jobs will never get close to that amount. That's only the financial aspect of it. There's a whole lot of other aspects associated to it such as genetics, looks, intelligence, social skills, overall competence etc. This is just proof that life isn't what you make of it and, by saying that life is what you make of it, they remind me of how unfair life is and how these people want you to live in this life even if you are on the losing side of it all. If I die, I won't be on the losing side. I won't face any unfairness that happens to me

"Life is a gift". I think this one is obvious enough to not bother elaborating on

Lastly, a lot of pro life people are also pro suffering with the exception of cases of people with terminal illnesses and animals with a lower quality of life. We can see how much of pro suffering they are by firstly looking at how nembutal is only a privilege for animals and humans are forced to not have access to it. Also, these people encourage you to take challenges and preach about taking the challenges of life. This only amplifies my suicidal ideation as it reminds me how cruel life is and how I'm forced to suffer. The biggest reason for me being suicidal in the first place is because of how suffering is guaranteed and how I'm forced to suffer to be alive and them reinforcing that hurts

So, then, if there are any ways in which pro life people increase your suicidal ideation or just make your mood worse overall, feel free to vent about it

 

[BornByGhosts]

no effect anymore tbh

 

[Forever Sleep]

It depends on how they go about it. If it's from a genuine place of concern, I'll appreciate the gesture- although I may not agree with it. It depends on what they say. If it's some statement that is meant to make me feel guilty- then- no- I won't appreciate that at all!

'Life is what you make it' is a tricky one though. I wouldn't say it's all together untrue but it is misleading to a great degree. So- someone who never bothers to make a Tik Tok video certainly won't make millions from one! The problem lies in- some people try really hard in life but they still fail and it may not be their fault- they didn't get the genetics to be attractive or have a talent. They didn't get the financial support from their parents to afford all that tech to make videos. Stuff happened to crush their confidence. Thing is though- some people do still make it in life- despite coming from nothing. Despite awful circumstances. Life definitely takes effort though but then- maybe that's genetic or taught too. It's debatable I guess. What I'm certain crushes all that though is an underlying wish to die. Why would we really bother with anything now with all our hearts and effort when really, we're winding down to the end?

The other side of it I guess is to try not to become envious of others who make shit loads for doing very little. One statement I think that is true is: 'Comparison is the thief of joy.' It's so hard though- knowing that we're living in a world that isn't fair. Knowing that so much is based on chance and some people have better fortune than others. I'm certainly not any good at doing it but I suspect it helps in having an easier mind.

I agree though- I don't want to be forced to play this shitty game for scraps anymore!

 

[kane9191kosugi]

It doesn't make me "suicidal" (unless they shit that makes me put in that mental state), but it does put me in a worse mood because they are usually the people that tells you to "survive" rather than "live", if you know what I mean lol.

"Surviving" and "living" are two different things, but a good chunk of pro-lifers don't even get that.

 

[deadbysarcasm]

Its just all so incredibly ludicrously condescending. Its just painful understanding their complete misjudgement of the situation and being unable to explain. People acting superior while I know in my heart they would be wishing to be put out of their misery in the same position.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Yes prolifers make me more suicidal and my mood worse. They made nembutal, assisted suicide , cyanide capsules, suicide kits crimes. They made this life and world into a prison that I must escape

 

[BornByGhosts]

'Comparison is the thief of joy.'

That quote is funny because it's true and yet kinda not. Joyful people tend to not compare. People that seek to compare likely are comparing as a result of not having joy to be stolen.

 

[FuneralCry]

I understand, I see anything pro-life as evil and insane, it's very disgusting to wish to enslave others in this existence they never consented to being in until they cease existing anyway. I hate how they are incapable of minding their own business and wish to prolong the suffering of others no matter what. In general it's just insane to be pro-life in this hellish world filled with endless suffering and cruelty, wanting to die is all that feels rational to me, to escape from this futile and burdensome existence.

 

[Forever Sleep]

That quote is funny because it's true and yet kinda not. Joyful people tend to not compare. People that seek to compare likely are comparing as a result of not having joy to be stolen.

Yeah true. Plus, it's so hard not to do. We are taught to compare ourselves to others from a really young age. School grades are all about comparing ourselves to others. Would we have ambition if we didn't idolize certain things? Without ambition- would we have motivation to do things? It's a double egded sword really.

But I agree- it's also a way of keeping people in their lowly place- basically- stop being envious of others and be content with your miserable lot.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

It depends on how they go about it. If it's from a genuine place of concern, I'll appreciate the gesture- although I may not agree with it. It depends on what they say. If it's some statement that is meant to make me feel guilty- then- no- I won't appreciate that at all!

Despite my venting on them, I do believe that a lot of them think that they're trying to help. Nonetheless, despite their intentions, they still do hinder rather than help people

'Life is what you make it' is a tricky one though. I wouldn't say it's all together untrue but it is misleading to a great degree. So- someone who never bothers to make a Tik Tok video certainly won't make millions from one! The problem lies in- some people try really hard in life but they still fail and it may not be their fault- they didn't get the genetics to be attractive or have a talent. They didn't get the financial support from their parents to afford all that tech to make videos. Stuff happened to crush their confidence. Thing is though- some people do still make it in life- despite coming from nothing. Despite awful circumstances. Life definitely takes effort though but then- maybe that's genetic or taught too. It's debatable I guess. What I'm certain crushes all that though is an underlying wish to die. Why would we really bother with anything now with all our hearts and effort when really, we're winding down to the end?

I agree to all of this. I think "life is what you make of it" if you want to make your life into a realistic goal that one has a higher probability of achieving due to skills, resilience, luck, opportunities etc. If, however, you want to make your life into a non realistic goal based on the skills and opportunities one has, then life isn't what you make of it. And sometimes this unrealistic goal could just be financial security or not wanting to have to slave your entire life away. It's unfair for pro life people to say "life is what you make of it" to everybody without considering their situations or what they want to make life into to begin with

The other side of it I guess is to try not to become envious of others who make shit loads for doing very little. One statement I think that is true is: 'Comparison is the thief of joy.' It's so hard though- knowing that we're living in a world that isn't fair. Knowing that so much is based on chance and some people have better fortune than others. I'm certainly not any good at doing it but I suspect it helps in having an easier mind.

But how do you just not compare yourself to others? Life basically forces you to compare yourself to others. In nature, it's usually the most fittest organisms to succeed or the most adapted species to get higher in the food chain. In humanity, we've been compared to others all our life. In school, at least where I'm am, grades are distributed based on how well you did against the entire cohort. In work, you get compared to how well you do against others. In friendships and relationships, you get compared to others based on personality and common interests. Comparisons are inevitable in nature and in humanity. If I have to interact with others, I'm basically always getting compared to anyways even if it's subconsciously

I agree though- I don't want to be forced to play this shitty game for scraps anymore!

I don't understand the people who still do want to play this game. That said, I wouldn't mind if they at least allowed the ones who don't want to play this game an easy way out

 

[Forever Sleep]

Despite my venting on them, I do believe that a lot of them think that they're trying to help. Nonetheless, despite their intentions, they still do hinder rather than help people

I agree to all of this. I think "life is what you make of it" if you want to make your life into a realistic goal that one has a higher probability of achieving due to skills, resilience, luck, opportunities etc. If, however, you want to make your life into a non realistic goal based on the skills and opportunities one has, then life isn't what you make of it. And sometimes this unrealistic goal could just be financial security or not wanting to have to slave your entire life away. It's unfair for pro life people to say "life is what you make of it" to everybody without considering their situations or what they want to make life into to begin with

But how do you just not compare yourself to others? Life basically forces you to compare yourself to others. In nature, it's usually the most fittest organisms to succeed or the most adapted species to get higher in the food chain. In humanity, we've been compared to others all our life. In school, at least where I'm am, grades are distributed based on how well you did against the entire cohort. In work, you get compared to how well you do against others. In friendships and relationships, you get compared to others based on personality and common interests. Comparisons are inevitable in nature and in humanity. If I have to interact with others, I'm basically always getting compared to anyways even if it's subconsciously

I don't understand the people who still do want to play this game. That said, I wouldn't mind if they at least allowed the ones who don't want to play this game an easy way out

Yes- I completely agree with you- it's very difficult not to compare ourselves to others. I made the same sort of argument when I responded to @BornByGhosts . I'm no good at it myself. Envy has been a bitter part of my life.

 

[Seered Doom]

Pro lifers make me more suicidal and traumatized because they pick me apart, some call me cringe, and they don't seem to want to engage so I just end up emotionally shutting down and isolating

 

[thewalkingdread]

"Pro-lifers" are disguised here in this forum spouting pro-life bullshit. They have a pro-life bias whilst suicidal and, therefore, they're suicidal pro-lifers. They're not exactly what I would consider a real "pro-choicer", thought.

Sure, they want their own right-to-die to be respected/allowed to them because they are suicidal, but their "pro-choiceness" ends right there.

Most of them, if not all, are just fine, for instance, with birthing new sentient life — although no one chooses to be born. Because in, the end, if one doesn't like being here, one will always have the choice to easily kill themselves... Right!?

They don't want to spoil the "fun" for all the other "non-defective", "non-suicidal", people out there. They believe things outside their own "suicidal", "defective" mindset are great, healthy and worthy. And they are still hypnotized by the "magical", elusive, hope that the world is filled with "happy" families with some cute human puppies in it.

One such suicidal pro-lifer even came to a similar thread today "to say hello" and called suicidal people "defective"... Ain't that some "cute" pro-life biased gaslighting bullshit or do I really have a "defective" brain?!

 

[lachrymost]

Yes. Particularly those in positions of authority, like therapists. They make me feel like an alien from planet Suffering when they talk about how life is always worth living.

 

[Orange Cat]

No they don't upset me. Most of them mean well even if some of them are clueless and go about trying to help in the wrong way. I can still decide for myself on what I want to do, and no one can take the choice away from me.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

It highly depends on the situation. If a pro-lifer tells me that I just have to try harder, or sth like "you have no other option (but to go on living)" and such phrases then that makes me often extremely suicidal and angry.

 

[Alltheywanted]

It always makes me laugh when someone says things like "You are not alone" or "Don't do this, you matter". Like, stop saying nonsense and let me decide about my own life.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

"Pro-lifers" are disguised here in this forum spouting pro-life bullshit. They have a pro-life bias whilst suicidal and, therefore, they're suicidal pro-lifers. They're not exactly what I would consider a real "pro-choicer", thought.

Sure, they want their own right-to-die to be respected/allowed to them because they are suicidal, but their "pro-choiceness" ends right there.

They sound like they have a "death for me but not for thee" mentality. I honestly can't say I'm surprised by this as most people in life are only usually empathetic to others once they go through the same suffering as them. And even then some people only wish the suffering never happened to them and don't care if it happens to others. Same applies here I think

Most of them, if not all, are just fine, for instance, with birthing new sentient life — although no one chooses to be born. Because in, the end, if one doesn't like being here, one will always have the choice to easily kill themselves... Right!?

That's their logic.. their stupid logic. I find it weird how they say stuff like "it's easy to kill yourself" and then simultaneously oppose ways that can make us actually easily kill ourselves, such as access to euthanasia or nembutal. And, as for them bringing sentient life into thos to suffer, that just goes to show they only really want things better for themselves, not for others

They don't want to spoil the "fun" for all the other "non-defective", "non-suicidal", people out there. They believe things outside their own "suicidal", "defective" mindset are great, healthy and worthy. And they are still hypnotized by the "magical", elusive, hope that the world is filled with "happy" families with some cute human puppies in it.

Ugh, I hate it when people call suicidal people defective. I'm sure a lot of suicidal people contribute to society just as much as so called "non defective" people do even if they have to contribute to society against their will. I mean, that's how society values people, right? Suicidal people aren't defective but rather just want a way out from the harsh reality and suffering of life

One such suicidal pro-lifer even came to a similar thread today "to say hello" and called suicidal people "defective"... Ain't that some "cute" pro-life biased gaslighting bullshit or do I really have a "defective" brain?!

Oh wow. At first I thought there weren't pro life people here but I guess I was wrong. I mean, if that suicidal person said that they were defective, that'd be fine. But to call all suicidal people defective? That's just taking a step too far

 

[jbear824]

Both. In fact they cause me to feel like killing myself just to spite them. I either want them to let me kill myself in a nice peaceful and painless way or just leave me alone.

 

[ringo99]

It depends. The truly sincere ones who genuinely want to help, I have no animosity towards them. They're best ignored since they mean well but have no clue how far gone I am. But the assholes who actively shame and scare people who want to ctb and sabotage efforts to legalize active euthanasia infuriate me.

 

[Abyssal]

They don't affect me.