Discussion about spirituality

[Kali Yuga]

In the course of a year, i went from nihilistic and a scientific background to experiencing some kind of spirituality that brought an unprecedented peace and meaning to life. I went on to explore what I was experiencing to discover two things:

1. What I was experiencing/discovering was not limited to me, but had been known and written about in spiritual literature by many different cultures throughout history.

2. That my experience was also a common symptom of bipolar mania; feeling connected with the universe at large.

Ultimately, I'm left some what confused because though I have definitely crashed from my spiritual magical high in to the bipolar depression, I can not completely dismiss my experience as crazy or false. It introduced me to my spirit/soul/consciousness. And although in my current depression, I don't feel it in my soul, i still believe in it intellectually.

I do not believe death is the end. Even science states energy can not be created or destroyed, but transfers. This sways me toward believing in reincarnation.

I guess I'm just wondering if others consider the after life and what you all believe or expect after death?

Do you think a death by CTB will still experience the love and light reported by near death experiences?

I think Hindu and Buddhism believe that the soul must undergo suffering until it becomes "enlightened". Catholic believe in hell, which I think is a misunderstood metaphor used as a fear tactic. My question to Catholics would ask if non curable psychiatric conditions like bipolar were exempt from "hell"? Because in a way, mental illness can predict a death as "natural" as something like cancer

I've watched one YT vid where a medium discusses some kind of "lobby" the soul can hang out in with no suffering, where there's only peace and love until the soul is guided through its problems so it's ready to overcome the in the next life.

In no way am I preaching anything on anyone, I just wanted to discuss spirituality and suicide as there is limited info. I also wanted to know what others believe in. It's something that will be on my mind as I take my final breath

 

[Al_stargate]

Hey Kali Yuga, your name suggests you have some knowledge about mysticism and spirituality. I believe in God and don't think he has a good opinion on suicide. I believe it brings a hefty karmic burden on the soul.

 

[Hollowillow]

I believe in the quantum tree of time. That there is just 1 life forms, the tree of life. I explained in another post. What I saw when I almost died. The endless branches of endless possibilities... A forest of light.

 

[Rational man]

We exist and then we cease to live, just like nature and that was my enlightenment. That belief and absolute truth has removed a lot of fear from my life. Your truth maybe differs but it's sounds awesome❤

 

[Kali Yuga]

Ju

We exist and then we cease to live, just like nature and that was my enlightenment. That belief and absolute truth has removed a lot of fear from my life. Your truth maybe differs but it's sounds awesome❤

You mean like nothing? Have you survived an attempt?
I believe in the quantum tree of time. That there is just 1 life forms, the tree of life. I explained in another post. What I saw when I almost died. The endless branches of endless possibilities... A forest of light.

Sounds almost like Nordic myth. The tree. I agree with the one life force though. We're all just different remixes of one life force, expressing itself and evolving in different forms

 

[actual_fox]

I always direct people who are somewhat in the know, but still do not know everything to what others who have been researching found out.
From my understanding:

Everything in universe is connected because physical reality or any reality is just a decoded series of waves that might be really not separated by a time and space. Brain is decoding software that itself is part of hologram (weird I know). It is proved by mainstream science. Even brain uses Fourier transformations inside It because what It gathers from outside are just waves. Ligth is made of waves. Physical matter is made mostly from electrons that behave as waves. Empty space is full of quantum waves. Everything comes and goes in alternations of extremes which is fance way of saying it waves. Wave is just a projection of spinning object into a time frame. this is the same as oraboros symbol and this is why the bible says we are born into sin (sin = sinusoid)
This is where THE WHEEL archetype is coming from I believe that appears in Salvia trips, NDEs and paranormal experiences. It is symbol or representation of some kind of game engine of this reality. Reality is also Holographic and this is why "as above so below"- our lives are running in cycles in small and big scale. From small cycles of breath or heart beat to bigger cycles as days, seasons, lifetimes, and cycles of civilization. But at the same time this is just a play of the senses.

The reality experienced IMO is just some form of projection of outside force on the screen of being (spirit or consciousness, Atman) that hijacks and plays with It. This is why I experienced "joke of life" during mushroom trip. It appeared as everything is an actor that plays divine role in this play. But I do not believe now that this is some joyful game. The NDEs are part of this play as they reinforce a being into again going back into this play. Imo this game is not our original or desired state of being and something has interest of keeping us in here for some reason.

I guess I'm just wondering if others consider the after life and what you all believe or expect after death?

Well It is almost a fact of observation that people USUALLY experience love and light beings during NDE and are told to continue their soul mission or that they need to come back. What is funny is that in rare cases these beings tell people to spread the word of love and give good press to other side.

What is worrying is the love bomb that happens. I experienced this first hand and It is one of the most euphoric things that can happen to a spirit. This is manipulation. Being given so much love and good feelings after depriving somebody this feelings after entire life is manipulation. Especially if this light is use to direct being to make certain decision, like contact light beings, accept love-light agenda (which is part of false light-dark duality, which is also the same as left wing -right wing duality or communism - capitalism duality). This is then to make soul accept being bound in space and time for next incarnation instead of leaving dualiuty matrix and continuing spirit journey or returning to some state of peace (idk what is like outside of simulacrum)

Do you think a death by CTB will still experience the love and light reported by near death experiences?

If you die in guilt and shame, or fear of hell then yes. The rule of thumb is that you will externally experience your beliefs. Some beings might try to guilt you into taking body again If I can be totally honest of what I think happens in here.

I've watched one YT vid where a medium discusses some kind of "lobby" the soul can hang out in with no suffering, where there's only peace and love until the soul is guided through its problems so it's ready to overcome the in the next life.

Why do they need next life? It is a part of false agenda of "growth and learning" that is played on souls, but what really happens is that we are being used somehow.

 

[Littlewittlelight]

In a few words this isn't suicide discussion anymore.

 

[Rational man]

Ju

You mean like nothing? Have you survived an attempt?

I've not attempted ctb but I'm planning assistance in dying due to my illness. I don't subscribe to any belief beyond this life, what awaits us in eternity

 

[Littlewittlelight]

I've not attempted ctb but I'm planning assistance in dying due to my illness. I don't subscribe to any belief beyond this life, what awaits us in eternity

Good for you I know I can't either believe but if I kept seeing these threads popping in suicide discussion I am afraid that I will it sounds like my philosophy professor is lurking here not to mention he is a great person tho but he really is a philosopher and engaged in debts irl and here I am being a not so nice learner.

 

[Kali Yuga]

Hey Kali Yuga, your name suggests you have some knowledge about mysticism and spirituality. I believe in God and don't think he has a good opinion on suicide. I believe it brings a hefty karmic burden on the soul.

are you Christian?

 

[Al_stargate]

are you Christian?

no, I'm not. I've been practicing meditation and reading many eastern spiritual scriptures for over 10 years.

 

[Kali Yuga]

T

I always direct people who are somewhat in the know, but still do not know everything to what others who have been researching found out.
From my understanding:

Everything in universe is connected because physical reality or any reality is just a decoded series of waves that might be really not separated by a time and space. Brain is decoding software that itself is part of hologram (weird I know). It is proved by mainstream science. Even brain uses Fourier transformations inside It because what It gathers from outside are just waves. Ligth is made of waves. Physical matter is made mostly from electrons that behave as waves. Empty space is full of quantum waves. Everything comes and goes in alternations of extremes which is fance way of saying it waves. Wave is just a projection of spinning object into a time frame. View attachment 99339 this is the same as oraboros symbol View attachment 99340 and this is why the bible says we are born into sin (sin = sinusoid)
This is where THE WHEEL archetype is coming from I believe that appears in Salvia trips, NDEs and paranormal experiences. It is symbol or representation of some kind of game engine of this reality. Reality is also Holographic and this is why "as above so below"- our lives are running in cycles in small and big scale. From small cycles of breath or heart beat to bigger cycles as days, seasons, lifetimes, and cycles of civilization. But at the same time this is just a play of the senses.

The reality experienced IMO is just some form of projection of outside force on the screen of being (spirit or consciousness, Atman) that hijacks and plays with It. This is why I experienced "joke of life" during mushroom trip. It appeared as everything is an actor that plays divine role in this play. But I do not believe now that this is some joyful game. The NDEs are part of this play as they reinforce a being into again going back into this play. Imo this game is not our original or desired state of being and something has interest of keeping us in here for some reason.


Well It is almost a fact of observation that people USUALLY experience love and light beings during NDE and are told to continue their soul mission or that they need to come back. What is funny is that in rare cases these beings tell people to spread the word of love and give good press to other side.

What is worrying is the love bomb that happens. I experienced this first hand and It is one of the most euphoric things that can happen to a spirit. This is manipulation. Being given so much love and good feelings after depriving somebody this feelings after entire life is manipulation. Especially if this light is use to direct being to make certain decision, like contact light beings, accept love-light agenda (which is part of false light-dark duality, which is also the same as left wing -right wing duality or communism - capitalism duality). This is then to make soul accept being bound in space and time for next incarnation instead of leaving dualiuty matrix and continuing spirit journey or returning to some state of peace (idk what is like outside of simulacrum)

If you die in guilt and shame, or fear of hell then yes. The rule of thumb is that you will externally experience your beliefs. Some beings might try to guilt you into taking body again If I can be totally honest of what I think happens in here.

Why do they need next life? It is a part of false agenda of "growth and learning" that is played on souls, but what really happens is that we are being used somehow.

Love bombing is not love. It is manipulation. Any conditional love is not love. Romantic love is a different kind of love to what I mean… Humans are capable of varying degrees of transmitting love energy, I believe compassion is maybe the closest thing to this. And true selflessness, this doesn't mean being a people pleaser, but selflessly helping someone in need

Yeah I plan on leaving without any negative energy like guilt anger etc, a part of why I've chosen nature to zen out before hand.

no, I'm not. I've been practicing meditation and reading many eastern spiritual scriptures for over 10 years.

Just the way you referred to god is all.
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I've not attempted ctb but I'm planning assistance in dying due to my illness. I don't subscribe to any belief beyond this life, what awaits us in eternity

Eternity?

 

[makethepainstop]

In the course of a year, i went from nihilistic and a scientific background to experiencing some kind of spirituality that brought an unprecedented peace and meaning to life. I went on to explore what I was experiencing to discover two things:

1. What I was experiencing/discovering was not limited to me, but had been known and written about in spiritual literature by many different cultures throughout history.

2. That my experience was also a common symptom of bipolar mania; feeling connected with the universe at large.

Ultimately, I'm left some what confused because though I have definitely crashed from my spiritual magical high in to the bipolar depression, I can not completely dismiss my experience as crazy or false. It introduced me to my spirit/soul/consciousness. And although in my current depression, I don't feel it in my soul, i still believe in it intellectually.

I do not believe death is the end. Even science states energy can not be created or destroyed, but transfers. This sways me toward believing in reincarnation.

I guess I'm just wondering if others consider the after life and what you all believe or expect after death?

Do you think a death by CTB will still experience the love and light reported by near death experiences?

I think Hindu and Buddhism believe that the soul must undergo suffering until it becomes "enlightened". Catholic believe in hell, which I think is a misunderstood metaphor used as a fear tactic. My question to Catholics would ask if non curable psychiatric conditions like bipolar were exempt from "hell"? Because in a way, mental illness can predict a death as "natural" as something like cancer

I've watched one YT vid where a medium discusses some kind of "lobby" the soul can hang out in with no suffering, where there's only peace and love until the soul is guided through its problems so it's ready to overcome the in the next life.

In no way am I preaching anything on anyone, I just wanted to discuss spirituality and suicide as there is limited info. I also wanted to know what others believe in. It's something that will be on my mind as I take my final b

In the course of a year, i went from nihilistic and a scientific background to experiencing some kind of spirituality that brought an unprecedented peace and meaning to life. I went on to explore what I was experiencing to discover two things:

1. What I was experiencing/discovering was not limited to me, but had been known and written about in spiritual literature by many different cultures throughout history.

2. That my experience was also a common symptom of bipolar mania; feeling connected with the universe at large.

Ultimately, I'm left some what confused because though I have definitely crashed from my spiritual magical high in to the bipolar depression, I can not completely dismiss my experience as crazy or false. It introduced me to my spirit/soul/consciousness. And although in my current depression, I don't feel it in my soul, i still believe in it intellectually.

I do not believe death is the end. Even science states energy can not be created or destroyed, but transfers. This sways me toward believing in reincarnation.

I guess I'm just wondering if others consider the after life and what you all believe or expect after death?

Do you think a death by CTB will still experience the love and light reported by near death experiences?

I think Hindu and Buddhism believe that the soul must undergo suffering until it becomes "enlightened". Catholic believe in hell, which I think is a misunderstood metaphor used as a fear tactic. My question to Catholics would ask if non curable psychiatric conditions like bipolar were exempt from "hell"? Because in a way, mental illness can predict a death as "natural" as something like cancer

I've watched one YT vid where a medium discusses some kind of "lobby" the soul can hang out in with no suffering, where there's only peace and love until the soul is guided through its problems so it's ready to overcome the in the next life.

In no way am I preaching anything on anyone, I just wanted to discuss spirituality and suicide as there is limited info. I also wanted to know what others believe in. It's something that will be on my mind as I take my final breath

I have died a few times in this life, and I can tell you there is a place known as the afterlife. I can also tell you that I did not want to back here. I never felt so good as I did there. Love to you all here.

 

[actual_fox]

I have died a few times in this life, and I can tell you there is a place known as the afterlife. I can also tell you that I did not want to back here. I never felt so good as I did there. Love to you all here.

Oh man I hear that often. I was never there but i experienced a bit of that love on drugs and It made me depressed to come down here.

 

[makethepainstop]

Sooner or later all living souls will experience that place. I cannot describe or even attempt to convey to you all how good you feel in that plain of existence. There are no known words in any language that can possibly allow me to relay to you the peace, love, joy, comfort, refreshment, and contentment that I'd found there.

 

[Kali Yuga]

I have died a few times in this life, and I can tell you there is a place known as the afterlife. I can also tell you that I did not want to back here. I never felt so good as I did there. Love to you all here.

Thanks for sharing. Perhaps you have light karmic debt or a good heart to be greeted with such peace. That's why I think it's important to go out with as much peace as possible. You receive what you put out. I've experienced some deaths as well to the ego, but unfortunately it is not completely permanent and anxiety/depression chemically creeps back in.

I've realised everyone suffers in this life but there are 2 different kinds of people: those who do their best to contain their suffering (ideally overcoming it) but at no expense to others.
The other category are those who let their ego wreak havoc, stepping on people to try lessen their own suffering; e.g bullies; narcissists, "elite" etc. The first category usually houses sensitive people who would feel pain even when inflicting it… empaths.

I've heard of people using suicide as revenge, which I think is not too different than murder; intentionally killing to cause pain. I can't imagine a soul with that much animosity can experience peace, seeing as they have not learnt peace in this life and I assume their cycle would repeat until they achieve their lesson. I have struggled with forgiveness at times but when I go, that's the final opportunity to extinguish and bad blood, and I would hate to leave anyone feeling guilty when I know the power of holding people in good space deposited their mistakes

 

[Kali Yuga]

Sooner or later all living souls will experience that place. I cannot describe or even attempt to convey to you all how good you feel in that plain of existence. There are no known words in any language that can possibly allow me to relay to you the peace, love, joy, comfort, refreshment, and contentment that I'd found there.

This sounds like psychedelic experience if I were to guess. I think psychedelics can grant a glimpse in to that plane. Otherwise nature seems to be a reliable gateway at least for me.

 

[👁️👃👁️]

Sooner or later all living souls will experience that place. I cannot describe or even attempt to convey to you all how good you feel in that plain of existence. There are no known words in any language that can possibly allow me to relay to you the peace, love, joy, comfort, refreshment, and contentment that I'd found there.

I too have also experienced this. Words can't even describe it. I do understand what actual fox is talking about because I have studied into that as well and the so-called manipulative tactics of the archons that disguise themself as our loved ones etc

I will say I never felt so at peace as I did being in this place. It felt very familiar to me and I had one of those AHA moments. It was almost as if I chose to experience this life and placed myself in amnesia on purpose. I felt like everything made sense and I understood what this entire experience was about. It also felt like we never died and there's just different levels of experiences that we have. It almost felt like death was just a transformation.
I did not see no tunnel of light all I saw was beings made out of light. They were blue and they had heads like birds. They spoke to me telepathically.

 

[Kali Yuga]

I too have also experienced this. Words can't even describe it. I do understand what actual fox is talking about because I have studied into that as well and the so-called manipulative tactics of the archons that disguise themself as our loved ones etc

I will say I never felt so at peace as I did being in this place. It felt very familiar to me and I had one of those AHA moments. It was almost as if I chose to experience this life and placed myself in amnesia on purpose. I felt like everything made sense and I understood what this entire experience was about. It also felt like we never died and there's just different levels of experiences that we have. It almost felt like death was just a transformation.
I did not see no tunnel of light all I saw was beings made out of light. They were blue and they had heads like birds. They spoke to me telepathically.

Man that sounds pretty powerful. Was this after an attempt?
Did it give you motivation to go on or some kind of answers to solve your problems?

 

[Pluto]

Do you think a death by CTB will still experience the love and light reported by near death experiences?

I think Hindu and Buddhism believe that the soul must undergo suffering until it becomes "enlightened".

I've watched one YT vid where a medium discusses some kind of "lobby" the soul can hang out in with no suffering, where there's only peace and love until the soul is guided through its problems so it's ready to overcome the in the next life.

Q1: According to NDE researcher Kevin Williams, suicides generally experience the same euphoric light with some exceptions. [source]

Q2: Enlightenment is our natural state when free of the ego through spiritual practice. Eastern religions state that achieving this state eliminates the sense of the 'little me' who is on the hamster wheel of samsara, and currently suffering in this lifetime. The punchline is that the little me doesn't actually exist, but this profound revelation needs to be discovered for one's self through inquiry rather than believed intellectually. If this topic is of interest, there are very direct teachings in modern times that do away with extraneous matter.

Q3: What you describe sounds like the void. It has been described as a place of contemplation, but the idea of to pass beyond it. [source]

 

[Kali Yuga]

Q1: According to NDE researcher Kevin Williams, suicides generally experience the same euphoric light with some exceptions. [source]

Q2: Enlightenment is our natural state when free of the ego through spiritual practice. Eastern religions state that achieving this state eliminates the sense of the 'little me' who is on the hamster wheel of samsara, and currently suffering in this lifetime. The punchline is that the little me doesn't actually exist, but this profound revelation needs to be discovered for one's self through inquiry rather than believed intellectually. If this topic is of interest, there are very direct teachings in modern times that do away with extraneous matter.

Q3: What you describe sounds like the void. It has been described as a place of contemplation, but the idea of to pass beyond it. [source]

Thank you for the sources. An interesting read.
In relation to your answer in Q2 - the revelation that we are not our ego - is it possible to experience that to some degree, but then regress back to identification with ego?

I ask because I feel like I've experienced some kind of epiphany like that. An experience that transcended an intellectual notion. It was beautiful. After unknowingly practicing awareness by journalling and questioning my thoughts after being tired of suffering, I eventually had this simple epiphany; none of the negative thoughts were me. I wasn't born with them but rather I had accumulated them and been inflicted with them. But they simply weren't mine and weren't me. They didn't belong to me. I didn't identify with them, after all I didn't want them in my mind, but I was holding them unnecessarily and as a result, it infected my whole existence.

When this epiphany first hit, I was overcome with this overwhelming sense of compassion and love for myself and all life. Relief. Gratitude. Acceptance. From then on, my mind seemed to operate 100x more efficient as if I had just eliminated all this junk from it. I started to look at the world deeper than ever yet never more simply in my life. I experienced life through what I called my "gut brain" where my anxious mind brain was silenced. I started to notice the most basic things like a tree blowing in the wind and it seemed like the most beautiful and poetic thing. Music would move me to tears. Thoughts no longer contaminated or translated my experiences, but they were simply experienced as I spectated. I realised these moments exist in every moment of life and have been there all along, but we blind ourselves from noticing. It's really so simple. so close yet so far. Beauty hidden in plain sight from our own mind.

I stumbled upon some spiritual literature where I learnt about "enlightenment". At the time, I didn't know about enlightenment or anything, I just thought I deleted my trauma, but a lot of what they discussed reflected my experience. Not saying I was enlightened but I feel like I got a peak in to what it could be. I originally thought I had pioneered this miraculous way of life Lol.

But eventually, long story short, depression, anxiety, guilt, shame, resentment, loneliness eventually crept back in to my life, and that short liberation from my ego exists now as a memory and an intellectual thought; something I know is there but do not continue to experience.

So I'm left in this spiritual hangover, seemingly forgetting all the lessons and beauty I experienced and my ego has taken back control. Not in a stereotypical egotistical way, but identification with suffering.

Obviously bipolar brings highs and lows to make it harder, but do people sometimes regress and go back to suffering? Like a miserable businessman who finds his souls after doing ayahuasca only to return to his corporate job and forget his lessons. I dunno, just an example

 

[Pluto]

Obviously bipolar brings highs and lows to make it harder, but do people sometimes regress and go back to suffering?

Yes. Everything you have said is spot on. While there are rare examples of spontaneous and permanent awakenings, most people go through a spiritual hangover/regression just like what you describe, which is a necessary part of the process. The ego-mind actually tends to get worse after the initial awakening experience because it is now fighting for its life like a wild animal that has been cornered. Its main trick is to get you to identify with it. In your case, it is unfortunate that you've lacked guidance through the process.

It is important to let go of the past memory/experience, except perhaps for using it for motivation to continue your practices. The mind will turn what you discovered about your true Self into an event in time which occurred to a 'me' and has now been lost. This is a complete distortion of the truth.

To proceed, we need to accept a bunch of paradoxes. For example, you are always the pure Self, and yet you need to put effort in to be what you already are. You've tasted your pure state, yet time does not exist and no thought - including this memory - is of value.

Attention needs to go towards ruthlessly questioning your 'I' in the immediate here/now. Who is this character who has the story about experiencing an advanced spiritual state then losing it? Can you locate the person who is speaking about battling various mental illnesses? (Of course, various energies, pressures, discomforts and sensations in the body are fine and can be left alone to pass in their own time.) Who is all this stuff happening to? What is observing it?

You are the uninvolved witness only; the silent one. You are not a person on a spiritual mission to find something of value, as that brings identity, intention, individuality and - worst of all - time/future into it. Your mind is sending you metaphorical e-mails about inheriting a Nigerian prince's fortune and you keep clicking on the link, that is all. Mind is a conman. The true value is inherent in your own Self and can never be lost.

For some further reading, I just had the intuition to check out the nondual Reddit channel and this was the first discussion that popped up. Has some further replies that are just right for you. Link

 

[JustSwingingTheD]

Ultimately, I'm left some what confused because though I have definitely crashed from my spiritual magical high in to the bipolar depression, I can not completely dismiss my experience as crazy or false. It introduced me to my spirit/soul/consciousness. And although in my current depression, I don't feel it in my soul, i still believe in it intellectually.

How does one feel with their soul? I've never discovered how to do this. In fact, i'm not at all convinced that i even have soul.

I do not believe death is the end. Even science states energy can not be created or destroyed, but transfers. This sways me toward believing in reincarnation.

I wonder what people mean when they say this. People who seem to believe "death is not the end" always say it like it's a good thing, i personally don't see anything good about the possibility of this. I base all my hopes on the possibility that death in fact is the end.

And this energy thing. What makes people think their existing, quite limited conscious minds would have anything to do with any possible "energies" that they leave after them?

I've watched one YT vid where a medium discusses some kind of "lobby" the soul can hang out in with no suffering, where there's only peace and love until the soul is guided through its problems so it's ready to overcome the in the next life.

..purgatory?

In no way am I preaching anything on anyone, I just wanted to discuss spirituality and suicide as there is limited info. I also wanted to know what others believe in. It's something that will be on my mind as I take my final breath

I can say this much: I fail to understand spirituality and spiritual mentality as anything else but as an expression of "group-mentality/groupthink".

To me, it's quite literally just worship of lies, it makes quite an impression to any person to witness a shitload of people of all ages, from all socio-economic backgrounds, showing obedience in front of a god/gods they know for a fact don't really exist. Those who are most susceptible to be impressed by this form of power are those most influenced by it. I see the most religious people as either somehow emotionally/mentally feeble, or as ruthless deranged pathological liars and users.

There is really nothing remotely interesting in spirituality/religion to me beyond these aspects. Going to church and seeing people praying is like witnessing a magic trick, there are those who immediately want to learn how it was done, and those who want to believe it was "just magic" that made them do it, and there is no reason to think of any of it any further than that. In other words, those who choose to think, and those who choose not to.

 

[👁️👃👁️]

Man that sounds pretty powerful. Was this after an attempt?
Did it give you motivation to go on or some kind of answers to solve your problems?

I was not attempting no. It was on accident. It did change my entire life. I was more of a materialist before it happened. I didn't believe in anything at all. My life became more of a spiritual journey after that. Matter of fact I became homeless not too long after that and I began traveling around the country and I will say it was a pretty mystical journey.

 

[makethepainstop]

One of the times I speak of WAS a ctb attempt, had I not been discovered, I would have been successful. They even sent the perfect man to send me back. He has the most wonderful blond hair, blue eyes, muscles from hell, he wore blue jeans, no shirt, sox or shoes. They obviously sent someone they knew I'd listen to. I sometimes wistfully wish I'd tried to runaway from him, hoping to stay in that plane of existence, it was wonderful there. Sigh.

 

[Sad_Sack]

All I can say is that reincarnation used to seem ridiculous to me. Sometime ago, however, it occurred to me in the simplest way that if you once were not here, then you were born, and then you died and once again were not here that how can you say for sure that step 2 wouldn't happen again. It could very well be a case that we are only able to see the 3 steps of what is actually a repeating pattern. You obviously wouldn't have any memory of previous consciousness but why couldn't you occupy a new consciousness and still be aware? You would have different chemistry and experiences but why couldn't you have a new consciousness? I'm not saying this is certain or even likely but honestly just the fact that we came out of nothing to begin with is nutty enough to open the door to the idea that it could happen again.

 

[makethepainstop]

Reincarnation as far as I have been able to research and determine is fact. It makes more sense to me that God the universe or whatever, would recycle souls, rather than to torture them for eternity in hell, or having them strum harps in heaven for eternity. When you hurt others maliciously, you can expect the hurts to be returned to you at or in some lifetime. If you cripple someone in another life, you too shall have life where you are crippled. The karmic energy is something like a mathematics equation, the equation must be balanced. Karma is met in either the letter of the law of karma, or the spirit of the law of karma. If you kill another in one life, you must pay in a future life. In the letter of the law of karma, you shall be killed the same way, but under the karmic law of grace, you might have a future life of bad health, instead of being killed. The karmic law of grace or spirit of the law of karma, is applied when one is sincerely sorry for a wrong they have committed.

 

[Pluto]

Yes, reincarnation is a thing. There have been a number of cases of young children having pre-birth memories, including places they remember accurately from a past lifetime, the proof of which is virtually irrefutable. It's also a fairly consistent message in advanced spiritual discourse. Western religions such as fundmentalist Christianity are a notable exception, but even so, the concept of eternal hell was invented long after Jesus' time when religion was discovered to be a tool for control of the masses. Draw your own conclusions.

It gets a bit fuzzy to talk about reincarnation when we come to realise that time and individuality are both somewhat illusory. It implies all people and animals are 'you' at some level. This sort of talk is only appropriate for people with a reasonably advanced understanding. No doubt my previous posts would sound like lunacy to most people, but they would make sense to the intended audience.

 

[makethepainstop]

Yes, reincarnation is a thing. There have been a number of cases of young children having pre-birth memories, including places they remember accurately from a past lifetime, the proof of which is virtually irrefutable. It's also a fairly consistent message in advanced spiritual discourse. Western religions such as fundmentalist Christianity are a notable exception, but even so, the concept of eternal hell was invented long after Jesus' time when religion was discovered to be a tool for control of the masses. Draw your own conclusions.

It gets a bit fuzzy to talk about reincarnation when we come to realise that time and individuality are both somewhat illusory. It implies all people and animals are 'you' at some level. This sort of talk is only appropriate for people with a reasonably advanced understanding. No doubt my previous posts would sound like lunacy to most people, but they would make sense to the intended audience.

Reincarnation is a subject that requires sufficient intelligence and spirituality to be understood.

 

[theboy]

all religions speak of the CTB but from different perspectives