Did that Tantacrul guy's thread get deleted?

[Rounded Agony]

Sorry if this should be in offtopic. I randomly remembered his whack ass and in trying to find it, searching what I thought would dig it up is just showing me a ridiculous number of people who were led here by his video (who maybe don't/didn't know he made himself known here). What an asshat.
I was hoping to review it given I thought the replies were examples of both the absolute best and worst of what this site is.

 

[Szarur-abi]

Nah its still up

Thoughts for next time (about the death of SpentStardust)

I want to tell a little story and then make a non-judgmental appeal at the end. My online persona is Tantacrul. I have a reasonably large YouTube following and I also run an open source music program called MuseScore. On Friday evening, a colleague of mine alerted me to a user called System64...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[hikaru13]

a ridiculous number of people who were led here by his video

It's funny to say that I was one of those people. Thanks to that video, I finally found a community that ACTUALLY listens and not just offer empty advices for the sake of stopping me from feeling this way. I realised that not all people in here are manipulating vulnerable people to ctb, but it's a community that supports one another no matter what the circumstances they're faced with. All the prejudice I've had from this forum disappeared after finally interacting with people from here. Of course, there will always be bad people but it honestly goes with any other online sites/social medias.

I randomly remembered his whack ass and in trying to find i

I think i rmb seeing it but I can't really remember now.

 

[Rounded Agony]

Nah its still up

Thoughts for next time (about the death of SpentStardust)

I want to tell a little story and then make a non-judgmental appeal at the end. My online persona is Tantacrul. I have a reasonably large YouTube following and I also run an open source music program called MuseScore. On Friday evening, a colleague of mine alerted me to a user called System64...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Thanks. Yep, still reads the same - so stark a divide, even more obvious now (to me).

It's funny to say that I was one of those people. Thanks to that video, I finally found a community that ACTUALLY listens and not just offer empty advices for the sake of stopping me from feeling this way. I realised that not all people in here are manipulating vulnerable people to ctb, but it's a community that supports one another no matter what the circumstances they're faced with. All the prejudice I've had from this forum disappeared after finally interacting with people from here. Of course, there will always be bad people but it honestly goes with any other online sites/social medias.


I think i rmb seeing it but I can't really remember now.

It's posted above if you want. I'm glad this place was what you needed.
Curious how despite the marginal amount of admission he made in the thread that not the entire site was an utter shithole, his goddamn video iirc painted it completely as if it had absolutely no redeeming qualities or users.

 

[hikaru13]

It's posted above if you want. I'm glad this place was what you needed.

I was honestly infuriated reading his replies Obviously just nitpicking certain comments and the same reasons.

Curious how despite the marginal amount of admission he made in the thread that not the entire site was an utter shithole, his goddamn video iirc painted it completely as if it had absolutely no redeeming qualities or users.

Exactlyy. That was my first thought too, and yk I was like "wtf are these people" the first time watching the video but after a while I realised how different it is from what he described.

 

[katara]

It's funny to say that I was one of those people. Thanks to that video, I finally found a community that ACTUALLY listens and not just offer empty advices for the sake of stopping me from feeling this way. I realised that not all people in here are manipulating vulnerable people to ctb, but it's a community that supports one another no matter what the circumstances they're faced with. All the prejudice I've had from this forum disappeared after finally interacting with people from here. Of course, there will always be bad people but it honestly goes with any other online sites/social medias.


I think i rmb seeing it but I can't really remember now.

Ya that guys a dumbass I always assumed he made that video for attention. I didn't know he posted on here, maybe he meant well that's just not the vibe I get. i think he wanted views

 

[hikaru13]

Ya that guys a dumbass I always assumed he made that video for attention. I didn't know he posted on here, maybe he meant well that's just not the vibe I get. i think he wanted views

How bad can you be to think about profiting off people that are already struggling enough to be considering of ending their lives??

Now that's evil.

 

[Rounded Agony]

@katara @hikaru13 I was just trawling the comments and he made money off the video, no less. I had no idea YouTube allowed people to send money via comments, but there it is in bits & bytes.

His folding of the entire userbase into some amorphous guilty agent, yet also somehow distinct from the struggling young kids who realistically probably could've made it through with some real care and support, rubbed me especially the wrong way. He knowingly constructed a boogeyman and fed the paradoxical herd mentality that the whole site is evil but also there are innocent kids who are egged on by some distinct separate evil.

His response to (a fragment of) my comment on the first page shows he knew exactly what the fuck he was doing.

 

[hikaru13]

I was just trawling the comments and he made money off the video, no less. I had no idea YouTube allowed people to send money via comments, but there it is in bits & bytes.

Yeah so he still got money off of that...

His folding of the entire userbase into some amorphous guilty agent, yet also somehow distinct from the struggling young kids who realistically probably could've made it through with some real care and support, rubbed me especially the wrong way. He knowingly constructed a boogeyman and fed the paradoxical herd mentality that the whole site is evil but also there are innocent kids who are egged on by some distinct separate evil.

Exactly that. He painted this site as something evil; that we push people to do this and that. And that we find joy seeing others die like what are those kind of accusations?! To make it worse, he only kept saying that we let a minor die, and ignored every constructive criticisms thrown at him. That says a lot about his character honestly

 

[Rounded Agony]

Yeah so he still got money off of that...


Exactly that. He painted this site as something evil; that we push people to do this and that. And that we find joy seeing others die like what are those kind of accusations?! To make it worse, he only kept saying that we let a minor die, and ignored every constructive criticisms thrown at him. That says a lot about his character honestly

Ohh his edit to the video description is making my blood boil:



Completely dodging the fucking issue. like yeah sure how convenient to say the systemic causes behind suicide don't actually matter in this pusillanimous, nit-picky takedown of a fringe-ass website that caters to a person in a very specific state.

if you swap the example it becomes even more painfully obvious. it's a bit extreme but the same logic would apply to, say, a website for, i don't know, violent racists or something. for someone to say "WeLl, i CaN't SaY aNyThInG aBoUt ThE rEaSoNs BeHiNd RaCiSm BUT tHiS rAcIsT wEbSiTe Is TeRrIbLe!!"

like dude, you're fighint the hydra in the wrong fucking way and pretending to be hercules. don't cut off the heads that you know will grow back and call yourself a fucking hero. do the real, hard work that needs to be done - attack the heart, make videos or do something more useful about inequity, systemic abuse, corrupt politics, whatever - and don't try to be such a goddamn celebrity about it.

apparently i'm still mad about this so long after the fact, hah.

 

[DoomValuer]

It's still up:

Thoughts for next time (about the death of SpentStardust)

I want to tell a little story and then make a non-judgmental appeal at the end. My online persona is Tantacrul. I have a reasonably large YouTube following and I also run an open source music program called MuseScore. On Friday evening, a colleague of mine alerted me to a user called System64...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[Apathy79]

His first post there isn't too bad (although still inaccurate, as I think I mentioned on the thread somewhere). It's the subsequent ones that are more revealing. And while I never saw the video, I assume it exposed him.

Also I see you were Rounded Apathy back then. Wondering if you wanted to dissociate from me by changing it!

 

[Rounded Agony]

His first post there isn't too bad (although still inaccurate, as I think I mentioned on the thread somewhere). It's the subsequent ones that are more revealing. And while I never saw the video, I assume it exposed him.

Also I see you were Rounded Apathy back then. Wondering if you wanted to dissociate from me by changing it!

Hah! Not at all; I'd seem you around but never even made the connection. I just changed it at the start of this year, after being sent back here by the bullshit of life...

Yeah, I just came across a more recent thread by Pluto admitting to taking the bastard on way better faith than he deserved. The comments were split and maybe even skewed toward that type; warm measured messages that didn't even catch that this guy did not actually know SpentStardust at all. I think he got a ban that was reversed before Rain chimed in and re-banned him and in that time he got sour about whatever. His only reply after that was to one shitty part of one person's post.

I also saw that yet again, from a subsequent thread from Rain this site had a huge influx of registrants after the fact. Buddy could've promoted "mental health" or whatever his bs agenda was without implicating the site. Like seriously, trashing it to shit doesn't fucking help whatever tiny minority of people here who end up doing the deed but might not have if they didn't find this site.

Maybe this is also a warmed-over point but the idea that a 17 year-old is a "child" is just a part of the societal infantilizing of young people. I have no clue what SpentStardust's situation was and whether or not there was an alternate escape to his suffering, but there are cases in which young people are in fact in completely controlled environments held captive by abusers; living with advanced stages of debilitating disease; any number of things that potentially put them in much better positions of judgment than I or anyone who is not them as to whether their life is livable.

 

[kopebaldy]

I'm so grateful to that guy.

Suicide was so scary for me, I would never have considered it without his help finding this forum.

 

[RadiantNumber]

Wonder if this guy is still up on this forum
Also I found his letter to Kansas State Legislature about our forum, just crying about "think about children"

https://www.kslegislature.gov/li_2024/b2023_24/committees/ctte_h_jud_1/documents/testimony/20240208_15.pdf

 

[hikaru13]

Completely dodging the fucking issue. like yeah sure how convenient to say the systemic causes behind suicide don't actually matter in this pusillanimous, nit-picky takedown of a fringe-ass website that caters to a person in a very specific state.

Trueee! He sounds so privileged for saying that like he prolly hasn't dealt with issues that tear one person up for them to be thinking about giving up their lives.

like dude, you're fighint the hydra in the wrong fucking way and pretending to be hercules. don't cut off the heads that you know will grow back and call yourself a fucking hero. do the real, hard work that needs to be done - attack the heart, make videos or do something more useful about inequity, systemic abuse, corrupt politics, whatever - and don't try to be such a goddamn celebrity about it.

Yeah I agree with that 100%. Why not educate people about the actual reason behind suicide and not paint this site a bad picture when it's simply just a generalisation.

 

[AuraByte]

I found this place because of his video, lol.

 

[Ch4in3dcr0w]

Wonder if this guy is still up on this forum
Also I found his letter to Kansas State Legislature about our forum, just crying about "think about children"

https://www.kslegislature.gov/li_2024/b2023_24/committees/ctte_h_jud_1/documents/testimony/20240208_15.pdf

Nope most likely banned last seen on november 23 2023 so a day after posting his thread.

Yeah I agree with that 100%. Why not educate people about the actual reason behind suicide and not paint this site a bad picture when it's simply just a generalisation.

He did respond to why he doesnt speak to the reason people are suicidal and why not focus on that than the forum itself. Im going to post the his comment so get ready for a lot of prolife bullshit coming from a person who comes from a family of professional drug dealers (therapists)
also extremly funny that he uses the word "fix" i think it perfectly sums up all the pro-life rhetorics that just come to "fixing" someone MAJOR SPOILER ALERT u cant fix someone and no theraphy or drugs can change that it has to come to someone from within

 

[Rounded Agony]

He did respond to why he doesnt speak to the reason people are suicidal and why not focus on that than the forum itself. Im going to post the his comment so get ready for a lot of prolife bullshit coming from a person who comes from a family of professional drug dealers (therapists) View attachment 171904
also extremly funny that he uses the word "fix" i think it perfectly sums up all the pro-life rhetorics that just come to "fixing" someone MAJOR SPOILER ALERT u cant fix someone and no theraphy or drugs can change that it has to come to someone from within

this was actually in response to me posting that very same chunk of bullshit lol:

Ohh his edit to the video description is making my blood boil:

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Completely dodging the fucking issue. like yeah sure how convenient to say the systemic causes behind suicide don't actually matter in this pusillanimous, nit-picky takedown of a fringe-ass website that caters to a person in a very specific state.

if you swap the example it becomes even more painfully obvious. it's a bit extreme but the same logic would apply to, say, a website for, i don't know, violent racists or something. for someone to say "WeLl, i CaN't SaY aNyThInG aBoUt ThE rEaSoNs BeHiNd RaCiSm BUT tHiS rAcIsT wEbSiTe Is TeRrIbLe!!"

like dude, you're fighint the hydra in the wrong fucking way and pretending to be hercules. don't cut off the heads that you know will grow back and call yourself a fucking hero. do the real, hard work that needs to be done - attack the heart, make videos or do something more useful about inequity, systemic abuse, corrupt politics, whatever - and don't try to be such a goddamn celebrity about it.

apparently i'm still mad about this so long after the fact, hah.

he is fully admitting he's ignoring the actual problem(s) without admitting (and no one calling him out) that he's just focusing on this one little manifestation of them. because it's easier and wins you likes and views and money regardless of political affiliation

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

I love when people with no tragedy or problems come here or anywhere really and start basically saying "I understand your problems, it is horrific and downright inhumane that your life can be ended by bad parenting or shitty life circumstances, it is unbelievably shitty that you feel like you want to end your life every day"..... "but can we not talk about it please, think about the children" = I really dislike you saying things that make me uncomfortable, I'm gonna use a factually correct phrase (think about the children) to divert the subject so you CANT pressure me further and ask me for solutions because I don't really give a fuck about you, I just don't want to see these things, that goes with trans , gay , black, intersex, autistic, BPD, bipolar, anxious, schizophrenic, anorexic (etc) people.

 

[Ch4in3dcr0w]

this was actually in response to me posting that very same chunk of bullshit lol:

Im so sorry i somehow missed a huge ass screenshot while reading the thread i dont know how

 

[Rounded Agony]

Im so sorry i somehow missed a huge ass screenshot while reading the thread i dont know how

you're good! was just funny, i thought i was reading my own post but then was confused when it wasn't, haha

I'm gonna use a factually correct phrase (think about the children) to divert the subject so you CANT pressure me further and ask me for solutions because I don't really give a fuck about you, I just don't want to see these things

that sums it up, huh. the other shit: "does SS do a good job of contributing to as much repair as possible?" - bro you realize this is a website for people who are actively looking to die. regardless of the ethics, this isn't a fucking support club; the fact that a recovery forum even exists here is testament of the diversity as well as the horribly fluid nature of suicidal states.

SpentStardust, poor kid, walked in here with a metric fuckton of knowledge and research already under his belt. i can't imagine anyone here would have been able to actually help him...

[as an aside, wow, the jerk is head of software at the company that owns Audacity and is apparently the main person behind it. man, i use that fucking program...]