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[L'absent]

This type of suicide kills most of his fans with just one breath. Death appears to be instantaneous. Immediate loss of consciousness and immediate death. I searched the forum, but apart from finding sterile discussions on ethics and morality there was nothing useful regarding preparation. What is the recipe?


It even seems to be very cheap.

From the little I understood by looking here and there ... one of the methods involves mixing a bathroom additive and toilet detergent. The main component of the toilet additive is lime sulfur, and the toilet cleaner acts as an oxidizer to produce hydrogen sulfide gas. Practically inhaling it causes cellular asphyxiation. It seems like a similar way of acting to cyanide, but with products easily available to anyone.

 

[TheHolySword]

I would not recommend this. Very painful, can lead to devastating side effects if you survive. There are more effective and safer methods

 

[L'absent]

I would not recommend this. Very painful, can lead to devastating side effects if you survive. There are more effective and safer methods

If he acts as I think, I think it's really difficult to survive. However they talk about it as a painless method.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

This type of suicide kills most of his fans with just one breath. Death appears to be instantaneous. Immediate loss of consciousness and immediate death. I searched the forum, but apart from finding sterile discussions on ethics and morality there was nothing useful regarding preparation. What is the recipe?


It even seems to be very cheap.

From the little I understood by looking here and there ... one of the methods involves mixing a bathroom additive and toilet detergent. The main component of the toilet additive is lime sulfur, and the toilet cleaner acts as an oxidizer to produce hydrogen sulfide gas. Practically inhaling it causes cellular asphyxiation. It seems like a similar way of acting to cyanide, but with products easily available to anyone.

Haven't of this method before. I have a feeling it would have devastating consequences if failed.

 

[L'absent]

What you write is true, but the damage you are talking about depends on a low concentration in the air. Basically you need a hydrogen sulphide https://it.hach.com/sensore-per-il-...lfidrico/family?productCategoryId=63766061102 meter in a closed environment (like a car) and at high concentrations death is immediate.

I report the mirror below:

Smell activation threshold 0.05 ppm (= 50 ppb)

Offensive odor 3 ppm

Vision damage threshold 50 ppm

Olfactory paralysis 100 ppm

Pulmonary edema, acute intoxication 300 ppm

Nervous system damage, apnea 500 ppm

Collapse, paralysis, immediate death 1000 ppm

Haven't of this method before. I have a feeling it would have devastating consequences if failed.

This article talks about 4 workers who died from inhaling greedy hydrogen sulphide. 2 died immediately, one immediately afterwards and the 4th had escaped from the tanker, but he also died. He was found on the ground 100 meters away, collapsed after running.

Rovigo, 4 operai morti per intossicazione. Pm: "Evidenti problemi di sicurezza" - Il Fatto Quotidiano

Quattro operai morti e uno ferito in modo grave nell’incidente che si è verificato in provincia di Rovigo, in una fabbrica che si occupa del trattamento dei rifiuti industriali. La ditta Co.Im.Po ha sede ad Adria. Le vittime sono due operai e il conducente del mezzo. I vigili del fuoco, dopo...

www.ilfattoquotidiano.it

It's interesting to delve deeper. Some studies speak of immediate death with 700 ppm and others with 1000. However, it seems that people (generally these are workplace accidents) do not realise. In Japan thousands commit suicide with this method and they do it in the closet at home, in the car and apparently there is not even a need to be meticulous in sealing the environment too much, as instead must be done for other much less lethal methods.

 

[atre]

I believe the reason people are not very fond of this method is that H2S gas seems to be one of the methods with the highest probability to injure or kill people that are nearby.
If the gas leaks out of the room (or the car), it is easier for H2S to harm other people than carbon monoxide, because carbon monoxide starts to become lethal at higher ppm levels (As you previously mentioned, even 1000 ppm exposure to H2S for 20-30 seconds is deadly, while one can withstand 1000 ppm of carbon monoxide for much higher amounts of time (like 10-30 minutes) without collapsing. If you do it in a car without people nearby, I guess it is safer than doing in an apartment with other people in it, or with neighbors present.
If you make sure with a H2S dedector that the gas is above 900-1000 ppm, I don't think you can suffer for more than a minute, or have a chance to survive.
I don't have any information on whether hydrogen sulfide can penetrate a sealed or unsealed room somehow and poison the neighbors, which would be terrible.

 

[Intoxicated]

meter in a closed environment (like a car) and at high concentrations death is immediate.

It's possible to use a much smaller enclosed volume, such as a plastic bag. It's way more easy to reach high concentrations of H2S there, and you wouldn't need any H2S meter to ensure that the concentration is high enough.

It's interesting to delve deeper. Some studies speak of immediate death with 700 ppm and others with 1000.

Immediate death from 1000 ppm sounds like an exaggeration. Even 2000 ppm probably won't kill you instantly. According to EPA document,

Usually acute intoxication occurs from a single, massive exposure to 2,000 ppm (2,781 mg/m³) or more, and unconsciousness occurs within a few seconds, without significant warning or pain. Unconsciousness, termed "knock-down" by workers, is almost immediately followed by respiratory paralysis, and after that by a short period of tonic convulsions (Yant, 1930). The heart continues to beat for several minutes. Death occurs unless the victim is removed from the contaminated area and artificial ventilation is immediately initiated.

 

[L'absent]

It's possible to use a much smaller enclosed volume, such as a plastic bag. It's way more easy to reach high concentrations of H2S there, and you wouldn't need any H2S meter to ensure that the concentration is high enough.

Immediate death from 1000 ppm sounds like an exaggeration. Even 2000 ppm probably won't kill you instantly. According to EPA document,

Usually acute intoxication occurs from a single, massive exposure to 2,000 ppm (2,781 mg/m³) or more, and unconsciousness occurs within a few seconds, without significant warning or pain. Unconsciousness, termed "knock-down" by workers, is almost immediately followed by respiratory paralysis, and after that by a short period of tonic convulsions (Yant, 1930). The heart continues to beat for several minutes. Death occurs unless the victim is removed from the contaminated area and artificial ventilation is immediately initiated.

Well. Then the loss of consciousness is practically immediate and there is no pain before the loss of consciousness. This is very important! Whether death takes a few minutes is truly irrelevant. How is it produced? In many articles they talk about household products.

I believe the reason people are not very fond of this method is that H2S gas seems to be one of the methods with the highest probability to injure or kill people that are nearby.
If the gas leaks out of the room (or the car), it is easier for H2S to harm other people than carbon monoxide, because carbon monoxide starts to become lethal at higher ppm levels (As you previously mentioned, even 1000 ppm exposure to H2S for 20-30 seconds is deadly, while one can withstand 1000 ppm of carbon monoxide for much higher amounts of time (like 10-30 minutes) without collapsing. If you do it in a car without people nearby, I guess it is safer than doing in an apartment with other people in it, or with neighbors present.
If you make sure with a H2S dedector that the gas is above 900-1000 ppm, I don't think you can suffer for more than a minute, or have a chance to survive.
I don't have any information on whether hydrogen sulfide can penetrate a sealed or unsealed room somehow and poison the neighbors, which would be terrible.

Of course, you will have to look for the right place. Ul carbon monoxide is unreliable and can leave serious harm to people. Hydrogen sulfide is 100% lethal in closed environments. Its lethality is mainly a result of speed. In short... if you really want a certain and painless death you should choose this. Because it is easily available, rather than graduate preparations such as Helium (an uncertain and often unsuccessful method with risks of brain damage etc...), or hanging yourself like a turkey with all the pain that hanging entails. I understand that it will be difficult for pro-lifers to control it, much less ban its use, as they usually do with all the methods where they can intervene to make this hell of life similar to eternity.

 

[lacustra]

heat paraffin wax mixed with sulfur

 

[tbh2023]

This type of suicide kills most of his fans with just one breath. Death appears to be instantaneous. Immediate loss of consciousness and immediate death. I searched the forum, but apart from finding sterile discussions on ethics and morality there was nothing useful regarding preparation. What is the recipe?


It even seems to be very cheap.

From the little I understood by looking here and there ... one of the methods involves mixing a bathroom additive and toilet detergent. The main component of the toilet additive is lime sulfur, and the toilet cleaner acts as an oxidizer to produce hydrogen sulfide gas. Practically inhaling it causes cellular asphyxiation. It seems like a similar way of acting to cyanide, but with products easily available to anyone.

What exactly can be used for this method? I kind of lost I didn't understand your post

 

[L'absent]

heat paraffin wax mixed with sulfur

This is 100% pure paraffin, okay?


This is inorganic sulfur is used to whiten fabrics, as a medicine and disinfectant. Purity 99.9%.


Amount? How should I heat them?

 

[lacustra]

This is 100% pure paraffin, okay?
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This is inorganic sulfur is used to whiten fabrics, as a medicine and disinfectant. Purity 99.9%.
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Amount? How should I heat them?

https://journals.indianapolis.iu.edu/index.php/ias/article/download/4345/4285/0

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Why not just burn some charcoal to make CO? Seems like even a child could do it.

 

[L'absent]

https://journals.indianapolis.iu.edu/index.php/ias/article/download/4345/4285/0

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Why not just burn some charcoal to make CO? Seems like even a child could do it.

I don't understand English and can't translate it.

 

[Intoxicated]

This article talks about 4 workers who died from inhaling greedy hydrogen sulphide. 2 died immediately, one immediately afterwards and the 4th had escaped from the tanker, but he also died. He was found on the ground 100 meters away, collapsed after running.

Rovigo, 4 operai morti per intossicazione. Pm: "Evidenti problemi di sicurezza" - Il Fatto Quotidiano

Quattro operai morti e uno ferito in modo grave nell’incidente che si è verificato in provincia di Rovigo, in una fabbrica che si occupa del trattamento dei rifiuti industriali. La ditta Co.Im.Po ha sede ad Adria. Le vittime sono due operai e il conducente del mezzo. I vigili del fuoco, dopo...

www.ilfattoquotidiano.it

That article doesn't seem to mention hydrogen sulfide, it mentions ammonia and sulfur dioxide instead. You probably wouldn't want to die from NH3 or SO2, because it would be a rather unpleasant process.

How is it produced? In many articles they talk about household products.

There are different ways. The most handy methods are hydrolysis of sulfides of some metals (aluminium sulfide, magnesium sulfide) in water and reactions between sulfides of metals (such as calcium polysulfides, ferrous sulfide) and strong acids (such as dilute sulfuric acid, dilute hydrochloric acid). It's also possible to obtain H2S by heating a mixture of paraffin and sulfur powder as mentioned by other users.

Ul carbon monoxide is unreliable and can leave serious harm to people.

Carbon monoxide poisoning can be nearly as reliable as hydrogen sulfide poisoning, but high concentrations of H2S seems to be more easy to produce than high concentrations of CO without irritating contaminations.

 

[L'absent]

That article doesn't seem to mention hydrogen sulfide, it mentions ammonia and sulfur dioxide instead. You probably wouldn't want to die from NH3 or SO2, because it would be a rather unpleasant process.

You're right, I posted the wrong article when I searched for it. In fact, 5 workers died immediately. Here is the sentence below.

Morire di lavoro, assolti o prosciolti i responsabili della morte di operai al Truck Center di Molfetta

–Ribaltata in appello la sentenza di primo grado: assolti o prosciolti per prescrizione tutti gli imputati– Si chiude con una sentenza di assoluzioni e prescrizioni il processo di appel…

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Carbon monoxide poisoning can be nearly as reliable as hydrogen sulfide poisoning, but high concentrations of H2S seems to be more easy to produce than high concentrations of CO without irritating contaminations.

The forum is full of people who have suffered damage, or who have failed, or who have cooked and fled outside because the heat was unbearable. It is an annoying method that creates tachycardia (and many other unpleasant physical events) and for long periods and when there is a lot of time and you have to wait there is a very high possibility that they will save you and that you will remain reduced like a vegetable. One user can't even sleep and can hardly breathe when viewed from the side. He was treated like a guinea pig and they also burned his urethra causing bleeding, a horror movie. Furthermore, hydrogen sulfide is immensely more lethal, which is also recognized by workers' insurance. And then hydrogen sulfide is painless and the loss of consciousness occurs without suffering. It seems like the death everyone wants. The point is to understand the dosages for an ultra-fast and painless death, because it is perfectly possible.

 

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[Intoxicated]

The forum is full of people who have suffered damage, or who have failed, or who have cooked and fled outside because the heat was unbearable. It is an annoying method that creates tachycardia

You probably think of the charcoal combustion method when describing those issues, but CO can be obtained in many different ways. For example, nearly pure carbon monoxide can be produced by mixing sodium formate and concentrated sulfuric acid and passing the gas through an alkaline filter. This way you can get very high concentrations of CO (100000 - 900000 ppm) that should be nearly as effective as 10000+ ppm of H2S.

 

[L'absent]

You probably think of the charcoal combustion method when describing those issues, but CO can be obtained in many different ways. For example, nearly pure carbon monoxide can be produced by mixing sodium formate and concentrated sulfuric acid and passing the gas through an alkaline filter. This way you can get very high concentrations of CO (100000 - 900000 ppm) that should be nearly as effective as 10000+ ppm of H2S.

It's not that simple to make and you haven't explained the doses and effectiveness in detail. How long does the loss of consciousness occur after? Are there effective carbon monoxide meters for that concentration you say? Because for hydrogen sulfide they exist and are effective. Death from hydrogen sulfide is very rapid. How long does it take with Co? The symptoms? Are the materials easily available as for hydrogen sulphide? If it's so simple to die in this way with CO because here on the forum everyone uses charcoal. And even outside the forum they use it, at least that's what the newspapers and media say.

 

[Intoxicated]

How long does the loss of consciousness occur after?

At 12800 PPM (1.28%), unconsciousness occurs within 2 to 3 breaths, and death within 3 minutes or less.
Source: https://cms3.revize.com/revize/newton/departments/fire/docs/Carbon_Monoxide_Dangers.pdf

Are there effective carbon monoxide meters for that concentration you say?

You simply don't need any of those if you collect the produced gas in a plastic bag, because you can control the amount of gas just by looking at inflation of the bag. HCOONa + H2SO4 produces nearly pure CO (at ~1000000 ppm) which exceeds rapidly lethal 12800 ppm in 78 times. Even if you mix it with air in the proportion of 1:10, the resulting concentration will still be nearly 7 times bigger than desirable 12800 ppm, so why would you have to measure it?

The method with a plastic bag completely differs from releasing the products of a reaction into ambient atmosphere, when you have no clue how much gas you got and what its concentration is after it disperses in a big amount of air unless you use special measuring instruments.

Death from hydrogen sulfide is very rapid. How long does it take with Co?

Nearly as long as with H2S (when inhaling CO at sufficiently high concentrations).

The symptoms?

If done right, probably none.

Are the materials easily available as for hydrogen sulphide?

That depends the method of producing CO and the place where you live. Concentrated sulfuric acid may be difficult to obtain in some countries. CO can also be obtained via reactions that do not need sulfuric acid, but they often require dealing with heat and may need some lab equipment to do conveniently and safely.

If it's so simple to die in this way with CO because here on the forum everyone uses charcoal. And even outside the forum they use it, at least that's what the newspapers and media say.

I think, many people simply don't know about alternative methods of making CO and they're too lazy to research such methods. Speaking for myself, making H2S seems more easy to me, and I'd prefer it over CO, but if I wanted to CTB from CO produced using some lab method, I could do this without too much effort.

 

[L'absent]

At 12800 PPM (1.28%), unconsciousness occurs within 2 to 3 breaths, and death within 3 minutes or less.
Source: https://cms3.revize.com/revize/newton/departments/fire/docs/Carbon_Monoxide_Dangers.pdf

You simply don't need any of those if you collect the produced gas in a plastic bag, because you can control the amount of gas just by looking at inflation of the bag. HCOONa + H2SO4 produces nearly pure CO (at ~1000000 ppm) which exceeds rapidly lethal 12800 ppm in 78 times. Even if you mix it with air in the proportion of 1:10, the resulting concentration will still be nearly 7 times bigger than desirable 12800 ppm, so why would you have to measure it?

The method with a plastic bag completely differs from releasing the products of a reaction into ambient atmosphere, when you have no clue how much gas you got and what its concentration is after it disperses in a big amount of air unless you use special measuring instruments.

Nearly as long as with H2S (when inhaling CO at sufficiently high concentrations).

If done right, probably none.

That depends the method of producing CO and the place where you live. Concentrated sulfuric acid may be difficult to obtain in some countries. CO can also be obtained via reactions that do not need sulfuric acid, but they often require dealing with heat and may need some lab equipment to do conveniently and safely.

I think, many people simply don't know about alternative methods of making CO and they're too lazy to research such methods. Speaking for myself, making H2S seems more easy to me, and I'd prefer it over CO, but if I wanted to CTB from CO produced using some lab method, I could do this without too much effort.

With the bag there could be convulsions and in an unconscious state the suicidal person could take it off. This is why it is important to have a closed environment with a meter. What equipment is needed to produce CO as you say? Are gloves and protection needed? How would you proceed if you had to explain it to a novice?

In the laboratory with all the equipment it is very simple to produce everything. In reality, when you have to do it at home it's a little different and often dangerous.

 

[isolatedl111]

This type of suicide kills most of his fans with just one breath. Death appears to be instantaneous. Immediate loss of consciousness and immediate death. I searched the forum, but apart from finding sterile discussions on ethics and morality there was nothing useful regarding preparation. What is the recipe?


It even seems to be very cheap.

From the little I understood by looking here and there ... one of the methods involves mixing a bathroom additive and toilet detergent. The main component of the toilet additive is lime sulfur, and the toilet cleaner acts as an oxidizer to produce hydrogen sulfide gas. Practically inhaling it causes cellular asphyxiation. It seems like a similar way of acting to cyanide, but with products easily available to anyone.

This is like trying to commit suicide by Tylenol pills

 

[L'absent]

This is like trying to commit suicide by Tylenol pills

Why do you say this? Every day there are accidental deaths due to sulfuric acid. From people who died in sewers, to those who treat grapes to turn them into wine. It also happens in hot springs and a thousand other places. Many are intoxications and permanent damage to sight, lungs, etc. However, there are many deaths and the method works well for suicide.

 

[Intoxicated]

With the bag there could be convulsions and in an unconscious state the suicidal person could take it off.

In order to hold the gas inside the bag, you're supposed to secure the bag tightly around the neck with something like electrical insulation tape. After that, it would be somewhat difficult to get rid of the bag even while you're conscious, not to mention the unconscious state. If you can do sophisticated well-coordinated moves unconsciously, then your amazing autopilot probably can make you running out of the room as well.

Perhaps, you could use handcuffs to protect yourself from moves like that, but the problem appears to be purely artificial to me.

What equipment is needed to produce CO as you say?

A flask or a glass vial (200 - 500 ml), a funnel, protective gloves, a roll of electrical tape, scissors, and a durable plastic bag (20 - 40 liters) would be handy.

Are gloves and protection needed?

It's possible to work without gloves, but you have to be very careful then. Concentrated sulfuric acid doesn't cause burning sensations on a contact with the skin until a substantial damage is taken. If you wash H2SO4 from the skin immediately, it won't do any serious harm (well, unless the acid is hot).

Whether you need to build a filter for capturing the fumes of formic acid is unclear. I've never dealt with this reaction and can't tell how much acidic fumes it can produce. All I know is that theoretically they could be produced.

A filter may consist of gauze soaked with a solution of NaOH or Na2CO3 in water and placed inside a hose. NaOH also makes protective gloves worth using.

How would you proceed if you had to explain it to a novice?

Probably no one reading this thread will follow these instructions anyway, so writing them here in detail is not worth the effort.

The idea is to attach an alkaline filter to an empty plastic bag, then mix two chemicals in a vessel (the reaction should happen at room temperature without additional stirring), attach the filter to the vessel, so that produced gas would go through the filter into the bag. If the reaction almost ends (becomes very slow) before a sufficient amount of gas is accumulated in the bag, the filter is detached from the vessel, then the entrance to the filter is temporarily closed, and the procedure is repeated till the bag is inflated enough.

When 5 - 10 L of CO is accumulated inside the bag, the bag is detached from the filter, quickly placed over the head and sealed around the neck with electrical tape while holding breath. When sealing is done, you resume breathing and have happy sleep.

This is like trying to commit suicide by Tylenol pills

Seriously? Can Tylenol pills cause nearly guaranteed unconsciousness in a few seconds and death in a few minutes after consuming?