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Emu

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Can you have depression and not see you have depression or that you are "unwell"
Personally I just think I'm being realistic..!
 
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It can be perfectly rational to be depressed in a life as horrible as this. Life is basically just suffering. I think people who want to live are delusional.
 
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I think it's pretty to hard to see your mental state objectively. I have a hunch I've had varying levels of depression for a long time. I was diagnosed as such years ago. Diagnoses are also unreliable.

Your close relatives are likely the best to analyse you.

I'm not sure whether a depressed person sees life more realistically. Could be.
 
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It can be perfectly rational to be depressed in a life as horrible as this. Life is basically just suffering. I think people who want to live are delusional.
I get this..
I think it's pretty to hard to see your mental state objectively. I have a hunch I've had varying levels of depression for a long time. I was diagnosed as such years ago. Diagnoses are also unreliable.

Your close relatives are likely the best to analyse you.

I'm not sure whether a depressed person sees life more realistically. Could be.
Very good point.. thank you for your reply
 
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Can you have depression and not see you have depression or that you are "unwell"
Personally I just think I'm being realistic..!

It is possible for someone to lose insight, or agency, when they are not well.

This basically means that someone may not be able to realize that they are sick. They think they are ok, but other people are able to realize there is a problem.

This happens to me when I have a manic episode. I feel great, though I don't realize it is because I am sick.
 
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Can you have depression and not see you have depression or that you are "unwell"
Personally I just think I'm being realistic..!
Yes, especially if your life started out horribly, then you may not even realize what it feels like to feel healthy.
 
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Emu

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It is possible for someone to lose insight, or agency, when they are not well.

This basically means that someone may not be able to realize that they are sick. They think they are ok, but other people are able to realize there is a problem.

This happens to me when I have a manic episode. I feel great, though I don't realize it is because I am sick.
Yes I see, it's sort of mind blowing not knowing but people telling you but then you still can't see it because it seems "normal" it's quite overwhelming 🤯😱
Yes, especially if your life started out horribly, then you may not even realize what it feels like to feel healthy.
Very good point also.. thank you for your reply
 
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noname223

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Of course many people are not aware that they are depressed. I think that fits for many people. The first time I was severly depressed I did not get it either. Or one time my severe depression got even worse and first I did not even recognize it.

I think my answer is different to many replies here.

In my opinion it is a good choice to talk to a professional. We in this forum do not see you in real life. We only see some words or sentences and judge due to that. My time in clinics helped me.
 
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Of course many people are not aware that they are depressed. I think that fits for many people. The first time I was severly depressed I did not get it either. Or one time my severe depression got even worse and first I did not even recognize it.

I think my answer is different to many replies here.

In my opinion it is a good choice to talk to a professional. We in this forum do not see you in real life. We only see some words or sentences and judge due to that. My time in clinics helped me.
Thank you for your reply, yes I have spoken to the professionals and they tell me i am depressed but I kept trying to tell them it's just me, but they are like nope you are depressed.. but im like what if im not what if this is my personality.. but maybe I am depressed..I don't know, it's just mind blowing 🤯 and suppose time will tell..
 
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Rational man

Rational man

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It took me Years to realise, though I'm not sure why. Having lived amongst a bunch of sociopaths, narcissists and abusers, who wouldn't be depressed. My family ' normalised ' their behaviour. Thats the tragedy and I didn't realise.
 
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It took me Years to realise, though I'm not sure why. Having lived amongst a bunch of sociopaths, narcissists and abusers, who wouldn't be depressed. My family ' normalised ' their behaviour. Thats the tragedy and I didn't realise.
Thank you for your reply, I'm sorry you had to experience that, thank you for sharing
 
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I think "depression" is a terribly ill-defined term. The symptoms are far too vague and general to serve as an indication of any kind of mental illness. Rather, it seems to be the psychiatrist's universal weapon for anything that prevents patients from being obedient, productive members of society.
This list of symptoms is taken from the website of the American Psychiatric Association:

"Depression symptoms can vary from mild to severe and can include:
  • Feeling sad or having a depressed mood
  • Loss of interest or pleasure in activities once enjoyed
  • Changes in appetite — weight loss or gain unrelated to dieting
  • Trouble sleeping or sleeping too much
  • Loss of energy or increased fatigue
  • Increase in purposeless physical activity (e.g., inability to sit still, pacing, handwringing) or slowed movements or speech (these actions must be severe enough to be observable by others)
  • Feeling worthless or guilty
  • Difficulty thinking, concentrating or making decisions
  • Thoughts of death or suicide"
This list is from the National Institute of Mental Health:

"If you have been experiencing some of the following signs and symptoms most of the day, nearly every day, for at least two weeks, you may be suffering from depression:
  • Persistent sad, anxious, or "empty" mood
  • Feelings of hopelessness, or pessimism
  • Irritability
  • Feelings of guilt, worthlessness, or helplessness
  • Loss of interest or pleasure in hobbies and activities
  • Decreased energy or fatigue
  • Moving or talking more slowly
  • Feeling restless or having trouble sitting still
  • Difficulty concentrating, remembering, or making decisions
  • Difficulty sleeping, early-morning awakening, or oversleeping
  • Appetite and/or weight changes
  • Thoughts of death or suicide, or suicide attempts
  • Aches or pains, headaches, cramps, or digestive problems without a clear physical cause and/or that do not ease even with treatment
Not everyone who is depressed experiences every symptom. Some people experience only a few symptoms while others may experience many. Several persistent symptoms in addition to low mood are required for a diagnosis of major depression, but people with only a few – but distressing – symptoms may benefit from treatment of their "subsyndromal" depression. The severity and frequency of symptoms and how long they last will vary depending on the individual and his or her particular illness. Symptoms may also vary depending on the stage of the illness."


Am I saying that no one experiences these symptoms? Of course not. What I am objecting to is trying to pass these off as signs of some pathological mental illness instead of a natural reaction to personal experiences in this world we live in.
If you lock a man in a small dark cell for several months, he will undoubtedly experience several of the above symptoms. Is this a sign that he suddenly developed a mental illness, or merely a natural reaction to his confinement?
How can you cure him of it? You set him free, but this is not the way psychiatrists approach "depression". Instead of treating the fundamental problem, which for many people is society, human nature or the nature of this world itself, their approach is much more superficial.
Instead of giving a battered passenger ship a major overhaul, the holes are patched up with duct-tape, so that it can be put back into service as soon as possible.
Like a doctor treating a lung cancer patient with cough drops, the root of the problem is ignored in favour of treating the symptom, as that is cheaper and more convenient.
 
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Emu

Emu

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That is very true, the stressors are still the same but only medication is given.. to mask the reality which is still the same… things can change for the better for some but for me they can't and I don't want them too either..
I've had enough… and this is what it is…
It's so frustrating… thank you for your reply
 
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