Discussion Debate Me On Framework Of Life Please

[scaredcel]

Here are some of my thoughts on life and the framework I currently think through. I would genuinely enjoy debating and discussing these ideas with others. I should also admit that I am not very formally educated in philosophy yet, so I would appreciate the chance to learn from people who know more than I do. Ps This is not AI written. English is my third language and I used ai to format the text.


Ik I am a teenager (19 dont ban me) and statistically in the most unhappiest stage of my life, and that still doesn't really help as it is just a framework. The stuff that has happened to me doesn't make me suicidal, but the framework and perspective do. It is about being so conscious about life that makes me suicidal. Now we have all once been pretentious and asked what is the meaning of life and never really delved into it, but if you do think about it there is really no one purpose I serve or any other human being. Life ultimately has no meaning according to almost all philosophers; its only meaning is the meaning we assign it. Now that this has been set, let's move on to the main part, suicide.

I personally think of life as nothing but a room filled with misery, a room I do not like to be in, a room I never wanted to be in, and I do not see anything morally wrong in leaving it. Only 0.0037% of humanity since the 2000s have committed suicide. Eight billion people on Earth and only 0.0037% have committed suicide. That is not cowardness but bravery. The actual fact is the opposite. It is the innate human will to survive cloaked in bravery. It is cowardice to postpone death and make it seem like living is brave when death is guaranteed. Suffering without reason.

As to why I do not commit suicide, that is the most cruel part. I would argue suicide is the most blissful action you can take in your life if there was not an afterlife, and by afterlife I do not mean just hell or heaven, but let's dive into that first. The idea of heaven according to Christianity is that heaven is a place where you are overcome with love for God and you worship him daily. You forget everything. Your parents could be burning in hell and you would not remember. Your partner for life whom you loved to death could be burning in hell for all of eternity and you would just not care. Instead you would worship your creator for eternity, bowing down. I do not understand that at all. First of all that is not me. My memories and relationships are a key part of my life or any other human's life, and to worship for all eternity seems like hell to a conscious person unless I live like a puppet worshipping 24/7.

Now to hell. I do not think there is a single crime on earth that you can commit that should get you banished to hell for all eternity, and hell does not even make sense to an all knowing, all powerful God because he would have only created me to suffer in life and in the afterlife.

Now on to my belief. Existence is suffering and life is misery. I know due to something I cannot disclose that there is an afterlife or a rebirth cycle where if you commit suicide you will suffer more in the next life. It is so cruel. The very design is so cruel. I do not wish for life. Nothingness is the ultimate bliss because to be non existent is the opposite of existent, which is suffering. I have researched a lot on religions but they never say why this curse of rebirth and life started in the first place. Maybe we are already in hell, doomed to life and rebirth for all of eternity. There is nothing I can do but despair. I do not think conventional therapists will help me either, because once you start thinking about life in this manner there is no going back.

We should all let out neocortex take control over the brainstem and let it decide

 

[carbanak]

How do you know? You can't say that on this forum and not give reasoning. Come on. That little doubt will do a number on people here

 

[scaredcel]

How do you know? You can't say that on this forum and not give reasoning. Come on. That little doubt will do a number on people here

True i think i shouldnt have added that But my dad's sister got possessed and we do have evidence of it

 

[DeathByBananabread]

Heh, I appreciate the non-ai disclaimer.

You're having religious delusions boosted by your family. But it makes sense. The desire to stay alive is innate. That's how we as a species invented religion.

"I have researched a lot on religions but they never say why this curse of rebirth and life started in the first place." Well, I don't know about rebirth, but life started because the primordial soup on Earth bonded together into living creatures, with the goal of staying alive & creating more living creatures, & after an unfathomable amount of time time we evolved conciousness, & apparently, having that is a really good strategy for staying alive long enough to breed. It's also a really uncomfortable thing to have, & it's disconcerting to be aware of your own inevitable death, so we invented religions with the concept of life after death &/or rebirth.

 

[scaredcel]

Hey and I appreciate you for going thorough my little block of text here

"You're having religious delusions boosted by your family.."
I completely get why you're saying And I would add that A life held in place by the fear of worse
punishment is a form of torture. But knowing what i know changes things, the things I have experienced makes me certain that a cycle of rebirth does exist (ik this sounds incredibly corny lol) and I fucking despise that fact ( ik i should have never added the rebirth and death line since i cant discuss what i know that was a mistake)

Heh, I appreciate the non-ai disclaimer.

You're having religious delusions boosted by your family. But it makes sense. The desire to stay alive is innate. That's how we as a species invented religion.

"I have researched a lot on religions but they never say why this curse of rebirth and life started in the first place." Well, I don't know about rebirth, but life started because the primordial soup on Earth bonded together into living creatures, with the goal of staying alive & creating more living creatures, & after an unfathomable amount of time time we evolved conciousness, & apparently, having that is a really good strategy for staying alive long enough to breed. It's also a really uncomfortable thing to have, & it's disconcerting to be aware of your own inevitable death, so we invented religions with the concept of life after death &/or rebirth.

'so we invented religions with the concept of life after death &/or rebirth' even what we imagine as heaven is just hell in disguise how ironic
I also realize that this site would be more of a echo chamber regarding the point of life and suicide but I have tried to discuss my framework with day to day people ik but their brainstem is far too dominant to even allow the neocortex to even think of such things which leaves me isolated in my bubble of thoughts

 

[rabbitjack]

"I know due to something I cannot disclose that there is an afterlife or a rebirth cycle where if you commit suicide you will suffer more in the next life."

Could you indicate at least what that is? Because many religions say that, but we don't know if that's for sure.

 

[aufrechtm7]

Life ultimately has no meaning according to almost all philosophers; its only meaning is the meaning we assign it.

Most philosophers aren't nihilists, this isn't true.

As to why I do not commit suicide, that is the most cruel part. I would argue suicide is the most blissful action you can take in your life if there was not an afterlife

If one holds the belief that life is meaningless, then suicide is equally meaningless which defeats the point of trying to reason or justify it.

Now to hell. I do not think there is a single crime on earth that you can commit that should get you banished to hell for all eternity, and hell does not even make sense to an all knowing, all powerful God because he would have only created me to suffer in life and in the afterlife.

This is pretty much true throughout most Abrahamic religion, except for disbelief…butttttt I'm also not religious and don't see eternal suffering as logical in the first place.

Now on to my belief. Existence is suffering and life is misery. I know due to something I cannot disclose that there is an afterlife or a rebirth cycle where if you commit suicide you will suffer more in the next life.

The lives of people looking to ctb may be overloaded with suffering, but that's too broad of an assertion to make about life as a whole. There's a whole range of frameworks that go over this without being tied to religion which in my opinion isn't always helpful such as when it comes to people who don't follow religion.

 

[loveyouforever]

i believe you , sorry I can't provide debate i just wanted to say this. still, i want to dream that if we are reborn it will be in a life far more peaceful than the one we live now

 

[Infinitespace_]

The mind is the one that says life is meaningless. The mind is always searching for meaning, for purpose, for some future goal. But you are not the mind.


Your true nature is awareness — silent, watchful, and always blissful.

 

[bellaisdonewithlife]

The mind is the one that says life is meaningless. The mind is always searching for meaning, for purpose, for some future goal. But you are not the mind.


Your true nature is awareness — silent, watchful, and always blissful.

You know what. I feel more like an awareness or observer my whole life unlike most people. It got me looking into all kinds of religions and spiritual traditions that are out there. I've also looked into Michael Newton's work.

I just still am not totally sure it's my true nature. I think it's possible I'll disappear into nothing or reincarnate right away or that something unimaginable will happen at death. I slightly lean towards a continuation of consciousness, but feel that anything is possible.

 

[scaredcel]

Most philosophers aren't nihilists, this isn't true.

If one holds the belief that life is meaningless, then suicide is equally meaningless which defeats the point of trying to reason or justify it.

This is pretty much true throughout most Abrahamic religion, except for disbelief…butttttt I'm also not religious and don't see eternal suffering as logical in the first place.

The lives of people looking to ctb may be overloaded with suffering, but that's too broad of an assertion to make about life as a whole. There's a whole range of frameworks that go over this without being tied to religion which in my opinion isn't always helpful such as when it comes to people who don't follow religion.

"Most philosophers aren't nihilists, this isn't true." True I need to correct that sentence
"I'm also not religious and don't see eternal suffering as logical in the first place." then I have provided reasoning behind why you should commit suicide
"The lives of people looking to ctb may be overloaded with suffering" - Life is structurally made for suffering the whole point of life might be suffering .
i see tbh I havent a read a lot of frameworks like mine Im still researching this topic and trying to learn and stress test my own framework on this topic and directions of knowledge

i believe you , sorry I can't provide debate i just wanted to say this. still, i want to dream that if we are reborn it will be in a life far more peaceful than the one we live now

I think nothigness is better than any cycle of birth and rebirth but Im working on improving my framework I have a better framework in works that should pre slove all the puzzles and this black box of " I know something which leads me bielieve in the cycle of birth and rebirth wouldnt matter in that framework ( same framework just written better )

The mind is the one that says life is meaningless. The mind is always searching for meaning, for purpose, for some future goal. But you are not the mind.


Your true nature is awareness — silent, watchful, and always blissful.

could you explain how do you mean by your true nature to my understanding the neocortex is always questioning I dont really get "true nature' bit could you elaborate ?

You know what. I feel more like an awareness or observer my whole life unlike most people. It got me looking into all kinds of religions and spiritual traditions that are out there. I've also looked into Michael Newton's work.

I just still am not totally sure it's my true nature. I think it's possible I'll disappear into nothing or reincarnate right away or that something unimaginable will happen at death. I slightly lean towards a continuation of consciousness, but feel that anything is possible.

very interesting perpestive .

I really appreciate all of those of you who went through my essay Im wiriting a more structured philosophical manifesto soon

 

[Infinitespace_]

could you explain how do you mean by your true nature to my understanding the neocortex is always questioning I dont really get "true nature' bit could you elaborate

Consciousness is your true nature and consciousness is being. It is beyond the mind completely