Death should realistically be viewed as a positive.

[Close_to_freedom]

I think it's a terrible evil for society to demonize death. Death is just returning to the source. We sprouted from oblivion and will go back to it. We were there for 14 billion years at least.

 

[Borabora]

I concur 100%. The word 'death' sounds scary. The process of transition is quite beautiful from what I read. Once you get back to Source, from what I have read & experienced, it is Heaven / Paradise. I just don't want to reincarnate again. I truly hope this is my last lifetime on earth. I wish that society would have a ctb pill that anyone over the age of 18 can just walk in a shop & buy to self deliver once they decide when they have lived enough.

 

[AnxietyAttack44]

I agree. Death is just a natural process, like healing, or natures growing. No reason to make it look worse then it is. Instead we should try and work to make it less painfull of a process for those who need it.

 

[Cioran]

I concur 100%. The word 'death' sounds scary. The process of transition is quite beautiful from what I read. Once you get back to Source, from what I have read & experienced, it is Heaven / Paradise. I just don't want to reincarnate again. I truly hope this is my last lifetime on earth. I wish that society would have a ctb pill that anyone over the age of 18 can just walk in a shop & buy to self deliver once they decide when they have lived enough.

Who would be left to mind the shop if such a pill existed?

 

[Borabora]

Who would be left to mind the shop if such a pill existed?

Haha! True indeed. So, are you saying that if such a Utopian society were to exist, 100% of people would voluntarily choose to go? I often thought of this particular scenario. I think maybe 50% of society would voluntarily opt to ctb. On a different note, I read some statistics the other day.
According to W.H.O., about 800, 000 ctbs happen around the globe (completed ctb, not attempts) & there are about 40-50 million abortions around the world each year. Yet, Earth still has about 7 or 8 billion people on it. Out of this 7 or 8 billion, how many births were actually wanted / planned pregnancies?

 

[Cioran]

I don't know but we all know the majority of those offsprings ain't exactly happy. Except for us, of course.

 

[suffering]

 

[Cioran]

Said the old grumpy man who never did CTB. He wasn't that much of a radical, really.

 

[lostangel]

If only people weren't close-minded but unfortunately people are stuck in their ways and won't open their minds.

 

[Close_to_freedom]

Who would be left to mind the shop if such a pill existed?

In the movie, The Suicide Shop, the couple who own the place struggle with that. They accept being living martyrs for the sake of humanity.

A reward for overcoming would be a great incentive to keep going, but it's not clear that it's not all just a waste.

Said the old grumpy man who never did CTB. He wasn't that much of a radical, really.

Lol so true

 

[Cioran]

In the movie, The Suicide Shop, the couple who own the place struggle with that. They accept being living martyrs for the sake of humanity.

The opposite of Adam & Eve.

 

[Close_to_freedom]

The opposite of Adam & Eve.

I really wish people would avoid giving into the urge to say something reminds them of old Jewish tales.

 

[CynicalHopelessness]

It's basic survival instinct to oppose dying that everybody has. So far culture has developed quite significantly to justify and limit the basic instincts and urges of humans for improved survival, so it's not unexpected that suicide would not be an acceptable. In other words, what would be a culture more likely to survive few thousands years ago - one accepting of suicide or one condemning it?

 

[Close_to_freedom]

It's basic survival instinct to oppose dying that everybody has. So far culture has developed quite significantly to justify and limit the basic instincts and urges of humans for improved survival, so it's not unexpected that suicide would not be an acceptable. In other words, what would be a culture more likely to survive few thousands years ago - one accepting of suicide or one condemning it?

Society long ago should've willfully died out. They should've recognized the futility of life.

 

[KibblesNBits]

I think it's a terrible evil for society to demonize death. Death is just returning to the source. We sprouted from oblivion and will go back to it. We were there for 14 billion years at least.

I agree. Death will inevitably happen to all of us, acting like it is the worst thing that can possibly happen to a person does nothing for anyone's peace of mind.

 

[ceelo]

it actually used to be by pagans.

 

[schopenh]

It's not compatible with evolutionary biology. Deep inside most people's brains is a massive aversion to death. All cultures typically reconcile this feeling with beliefs and narratives.

 

[Deleted member 17949]

I think the problem is a little different. Death is bad if you like living and want to live, but people have a habit of projecting their own opinions onto other people as morals. The real acceptance shouldn't be 'death is good' but rather 'life is not automatically good and some people may not want it.'

 

[woxihuanni]

For a moment there I thought OP would go on about nirvana or something, glad to hear they were talking about oblivion. As an aside, what I sorely need here is a filter that blocks any post that talks about reincarnation. That is the most terrible idea ever, and the mere idea scares a lot of people who don't even believe in such things, in a what if way until you get rid of that. I don't think I can ever rant enough about this.

 

[Kevin_theFrog]

I see death as a natural process that will eventually happen to us all. I stand neutral on this subject, cuz whether we view it as good or bad doesn't matter, since it'll happen to us anyway

 

[KibblesNBits]

I see death as a natural process that will eventually happen to us all. I stand neutral on this subject, cuz whether we view it as good or bad doesn't matter, since it'll happen to us anyway

This. I think death is nothing. It brings me to mind what Arya Stark said about it. "Nothing is not better or worse than anything. It's just nothing."

 

[Kevin_theFrog]

This. I think death is nothing. It brings me to mind what Arya Stark said about it. "Nothing is not better or worse than anything. It's just nothing."

Yeah that's exactly what it's like! I don rlly get the fear some ppl have behind it, because when you're dead u'll be already gone. U won't even be conscious of the fact you're dead to begin with. Then again, maybe most ppl are scared of the way they'll die instead of death in itself. In the end it all comes down to the person

 

[TAW122]

I would consider that death should not 'exclusively' be seen as a positive thing but more of a neutral thing. Death itself can be positive in a situation where life is only full of suffering and the person has more suffering than pleasure. However, I would not exclusively label death to be positive especially in situations where there are people really enjoying life, because in such situations, death would be depriving them of continued pleasure and future pleasures.

I say that death is considered more of a neutral state because it is a state of nothingness (assumption of no afterlife but just non-conscious and nothingness). While I am an atheist and I believe that there is likely nothing after this existence and that once I die, I cease to exist. Life is a state of existence and consciousness and there could be a positive experience (mostly pleasure and little suffering) or a negative experience (mostly suffering and little pleasure), so death would bring that to a neutral.

I will say that I do agree that death should not be stigmatized and demonized the way it is in society, especially in modern society. Life should not always be seen as a virtue, but more as something that is thrust upon every living thing in this world.

 

[rhiino]

In other words, what would be a culture more likely to survive few thousands years ago - one accepting of suicide or one condemning it?

It might rather be the accepting culture, thus getting rid of the mentally weak - us - and preventing them from getting offspring and only have the strongest genes survive, which is reasonable for evolution. Today evolution is switched off, there is no survival of the strongest anymore, anybody survives thanks to modern medicine and pro-life culture. This will wreck humanity and leave us as completely genetically crippled one day.

 

[agentgeez]

This. I think death is nothing. It brings me to mind what Arya Stark said about it. "Nothing is not better or worse than anything. It's just nothing."

I don't agree with the idea that death can't be better or worse than something simply because it's nothingness. Take the idea of feeling pain for example. It's not like when you're dead, you're neither feeling pain nor not feeling pain... you're just not feeling pain. The concept of and ability to experience pain might not be there for you, but we can still say for certain that somebody who is dead is not feeling pain. You can still make a comparison between life and death.

 

[Pan]

Animal life, to my mind, has no knowledge of death. That, I think, best articulates the tragedy of being human. Out of all the life forms on this planet, only human beings can contemplate their own deaths.