Death is just like before you were born

[Perpetually99]

The probability of you being born is 1 in 300 trillion. Those are the exact odds that that one sperm fertilized that exact one egg. Most ppl were never born, or are dead. In overwhelming numbers. You can have dozens of brothers and sisters. But they don't exist. You can have dozens of kids, yet they don't exist. If your dad decided to take a shit five minutes before he had sex with your mom, you wouldn't exist. There are so many variations that would make it that you were never born. And then what? Would you be here stressing about life? Or that fact that your life will be gone, and what will happen once you're gone? No...you wouldn't ponder one fucking thought...ever.

I have periods of being extremely grateful that I beat the overwhelming odds given odds for life, and cherishing every moment, while also having periods where I realize this:

ONCE I DIE IT WILL BE EXACTLY AS IF I WAS NEVER BORN. FOR ETERNITY. MY EXISTENCE DOESN'T MATTER. IT'S NOT THAT IMPORTANT.

Tragedies happen. Life goes on. If I am in so much unconscionable pain where I am longing for NO EXISTENCE AT ALL, then so be it. I can just think of all the variations that could've occurred that would have made me not exist in the first place. I am not that important. I don't HAVE TO exist. Why am I any better than the trillions of other variations that could've been given life instead of me? I'm not.

 

[PaxAmerica]

Very nicely put. Sometimes when I am stressing I gather myself, think of the vast expanse of an ever expanding universe that we are a speck in and everything kinda falls into perspective. An estimated 2 trillion galaxies in just the observable universe. And with quantum entanglement the expanse is connected instantly no matter where. It gives you a bit of respite in the herd times.

 

[Makko]

Just because you don't remember anything doesn't mean there was nothing there.

 

[deepinlimbo]

I think this sort of thing makes Me think about the universe, specifically what was and what will be to be and how overwhelming the concept is. How can something just appear? Or was it always there? Either answer is mind boggling to me. Everyone on earth is literally just a tiny pebble splash in an ocean, we are so minuscule in comparison to the universe and it's shear size.

 

[Seiba]

I believe it will be nothing as well, but it's hard to feel any real attachment to how "I" was before I was born. The relationship of being alive and being someone who has been forced to observe, experience, consume, and so on makes it hard for most human beings to truly see it that way I think as well. Not religious, but it's understandable that some would lean towards heaven or reincarnation since the only thing we have known is reciprocating reality for better or worse.

 

[Efilismislife]

Just because you don't remember anything doesn't mean there was nothing there.

I always wonder that too. Can we feel when were being a fetus? or cell, sperm...

Do you know plant also can feel despite people think they cant? I searched for the study on plant out of curiousity.

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A number of studies have shown that plants feel pain, and vegetables are picked and often eaten while still alive. Animal rights activists are often in the news, but has anyone ever protested for vegetable rights? | Notes and Queries | guardian.co.

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[FuneralCry]

I wish I was never born really, and I think about it all the time, how it could easily have never happened. Existence literally is pointless, we as humans only exist for an biological purpose, to reproduce the next generation. I believe there is no meaning beyond this. Death does make all life meaningless, we exist just to die. I believe there is nothing after this, we return to the same nothingness we were at before we were born. At least it will end eventually.

 

[Seiba]

I always wonder that too. Can we feel when were being a fetus? or cell, sperm...

Do you know plant also can feel despite people think they cant? I searched for the study on plant out of curiousity.

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As we face the world’s greatest environmental challenges, BBC Earth brings you solutions in psychology, food, climate change, health, social trends, and technology that can make the world a more sustainable place.

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A number of studies have shown that plants feel pain, and vegetables are picked and often eaten while still alive. Animal rights activists are often in the news, but has anyone ever protested for vegetable rights? | Notes and Queries | guardian.co.

www.theguardian.com

I think you may be confusing chemical reactions in plants for actual feelings. " These plants are moving with purpose, which means they must be aware of what is going on around them. "To respond correctly, plants also need sophisticated sensing devices tuned to varying conditions," says Schultz."
The plants not fundamentally being rocks does not mean they are sentient beings. It simply means that they are alive enough for set chemical reactions. Plants do not have nociceptors, a central nervous system or a brain.

Do Plants Feel Pain? | Britannica

Is your salad actually in agony?

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[Efilismislife]

Yeah people always thought that things which cant move/cant express, wont feel anything. Even human when in vegetable unresponsive state. Turns out thats not true. Newer research proved how human in vegetative state whos unconscious can still feel.

Some also said animals dont have feelings&awareness like human, thus people wont feel guilty about eating them.

Anyway, I gave the wrong link. Heres the research to it.



From the video:

It shows how plants are communicating to alert about pain&danger using the same signals as animal nervous system.

Researcher shows how plant can sense a caterpillar and respond defensively.
"So the next time you brush up againts a plant know that they're feeling you're every touch"

An Amazing Reaction Happens When a Plant Gets Hurt, Making Them More Similar to Animals

When plants are under attack - say, for instance, by an insect making a tasty leaf meal - their defence systems are raised in other parts.

www.sciencealert.com

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

Glutamate triggers long-distance, calcium-based plant defense signaling - PubMed

Animals require rapid, long-range molecular signaling networks to integrate sensing and response throughout their bodies. The amino acid glutamate acts as an excitatory neurotransmitter in the vertebrate central nervous system, facilitating long-range information exchange via activation of...

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I think you may be confusing chemical reactions in plants for actual feelings. " These plants are moving with purpose, which means they must be aware of what is going on around them. "To respond correctly, plants also need sophisticated sensing devices tuned to varying conditions," says Schultz."
The plants not fundamentally being rocks does not mean they are sentient beings. It simply means that they are alive enough for set chemical reactions. Plants do not have nociceptors, a central nervous system or a brain.

Do Plants Feel Pain? | Britannica

Is your salad actually in agony?

www.britannica.com

​

 

[Seiba]

Yeah people always thought that things which cant move/cant express, wont feel anything. Even human when in vegetable unresponsive state. Turns out thats not true. Newer research proved how human in vegetative state whos unconscious can still feel.

Some also said animals dont have feelings&awareness like human, thus people wont feel guilty about eating them.

Anyway, I gave the wrong link. Heres the research to it.



From the video:

It shows how plants are communicating to alert about pain&danger using the same signals as animal nervous system.

Researcher shows how plant can sense a caterpillar and respond defensively.
"So the next time you brush up againts a plant know that they're feeling you're every touch"

An Amazing Reaction Happens When a Plant Gets Hurt, Making Them More Similar to Animals

When plants are under attack - say, for instance, by an insect making a tasty leaf meal - their defence systems are raised in other parts.

www.sciencealert.com

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

Glutamate triggers long-distance, calcium-based plant defense signaling - PubMed

Animals require rapid, long-range molecular signaling networks to integrate sensing and response throughout their bodies. The amino acid glutamate acts as an excitatory neurotransmitter in the vertebrate central nervous system, facilitating long-range information exchange via activation of...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Watched the video, I'm not sure that's exactly the same as an animal nervous system. No one in the study seems to think it indicates plant sentience either. Still just remains a complex chemical working, but it is interesting. I eat animals which feel pain objectively so I'm not really too attached to reading everything else about plants. Regardless of our disagreement plants are definitely at least interesting. Here's a declaration of consciousness as well -- no mention of plants at all. Perhaps if that changes I will reconsider, but for now it doesn't seem to line up that way.

http://fcmconference.org/img/CambridgeDeclarationOnConsciousness.pdf

 

[ExistentialEntropy]

At the smallest levels the universe and everything in it is made up of the same stuff, which expanded from a tiny point. You are a part of everything. Your brain creates the illusion of separation between you and the universe, but you are as much a part of the universe as a grain of sand is a part of a desert.

 

[At_The_End]

To understand pleasure you must also understand pain. "Heaven" is sold to us as a perfect place where you life for eternity in peace and tranquility... Problem w/ that logic is that to understand you are at peace, you must also understand there are other who are not at peace. How do you handle that fact that someone else is suffering while you are at peace? It's b/s. The ultimate form of peace is nothingness. There is no duality, only singularity.... There is no good, bad, right wrong, in out up down... It's just nothing... or, everything. but no duality.

 

[Efilismislife]

Watched the video, I'm not sure that's exactly the same as an animal nervous system. No one in the study seems to think it indicates plant sentience either. Still just remains a complex chemical working, but it is interesting. I eat animals which feel pain objectively so I'm not really too attached to reading everything else about plants. Regardless of our disagreement plants are definitely at least interesting. Here's a declaration of consciousness as well -- no mention of plants at all. Perhaps if that changes I will reconsider, but for now it doesn't seem to line up that way.

http://fcmconference.org/img/CambridgeDeclarationOnConsciousness.pdf

How about this one?

It shows how plant communicating and even count
Some plant also can move fast and eat animals




Also i wonder if theres an alien/extraterrestrial being, who has different body system than human,
they could also say human is just a robot that only made up of signals and genetic code otherwise can be used as lab rat

Human also only made of signals and genetic code, which arent even alive.
mitochondria is also non living creature

Everything made of dead matters move by the law of the universe. Its all reaction process
DNA the hereditary material in humans also non living

 

[Seiba]

How about this one?

It shows how plant communucating and even counts
some plant also move fast




Also i wonder if theres an alien, they could also say human is just a robot that only made up of signals and genetic code otherwise can be used as lab rat

Human also only made of signals and genetic code

Yeah, count and communicate is a bit of a stretch. He also says they don't have a brain, don't get depressed, no axons, no neurons, don't self actualize in any way. They respond a bit to electric signals, which considering their complex root system and ability to respond to the sun isn't really odd. I don't think it will be hard for the aliens to justify murdering us if they desire to -- the vast majority of human beings have no problem with eating other animals and even making dinosaur nuggets out of them. Aliens will probably only have loyalty to themselves and farm us just like we do to other animals. Only difference is I don't think they would even bother pretending to care about our well being if it fed them. Maybe the aliens saw us and were so disappointed that they figured they'd go to a new solar system all together lol

Regardless I think this is kind of hijacking OP's thread a bit so maybe it should stop here

 

[motel rooms]

At the smallest levels the universe and everything in it is made up of the same stuff, which expanded from a tiny point. You are a part of everything. Your brain creates the illusion of separation between you and the universe, but you are as much a part of the universe as a grain of sand is a part of a desert.

The fact that there is no separation between me & everyone & everything else in the universe at the smallest level means very little to me when I'm in a shitload of pain & the people around me feel okay. Human beings have to live their lives at a very different level than subatomic particles...

 

[Largeletters]

This is a very fascinating concept to think about. All these things about how we could've turned out differently than we are, could've never been born at all, is very intriguing thing to think about. I sometimes wonder who I would have been if not born into this life and into another, or not having to go through everything I have.

 

[Efilismislife]

Yeah, count and communicate is a bit of a stretch. He also says they don't have a brain, don't get depressed, no axons, no neurons, don't self actualize in any way. They respond a bit to electric signals, which considering their complex root system and ability to respond to the sun isn't really odd. I don't think it will be hard for the aliens to justify murdering us if they desire to -- the vast majority of human beings have no problem with eating other animals and even making dinosaur nuggets out of them. Aliens will probably only have loyalty to themselves and farm us just like we do to other animals. Only difference is I don't think they would even bother pretending to care about our well being if it fed them. Maybe the aliens saw us and were so disappointed that they figured they'd go to a new solar system all together lol

Regardless I think this is kind of hijacking OP's thread a bit so maybe it should stop here

You missed what he says after that which is

"But what plant has is similar to us which is the ability to communicate, using slightly different ions we do but its actually doing the same thing"

Otherwise why would even plant has to give respond to touch, pain and communicate...
But of course it doesnt matter to human since they cant speak out so it still will be insignificant.

Its somewhat correlated with the thread topic about "what we feel before were born" when were only a fetus, a cell, if small organism can feel.

But ok the discussion about plant should be stopped. There are still many things on the universe that cant be figured out yet. Especially about death and things beyond.

 

[hʚll]

coming back to a non existent state is kinda comforting, but still so unfair that we have suffered through life for no reason at all...

 

[ExistentialEntropy]

The fact that there is no separation between me & everyone & everything else in the universe at the smallest level means very little to me when I'm in a shitload of pain & the people around me feel okay. Human beings have to live their lives at a very different level than subatomic particles...

Sometimes we want to turn off the movie when it gets too dark and scary. I think that's why many of us are here.

 

[The Lonely]

Yeah! Maybe this world is another planet's hell .

 

[Largeletters]

Yeah! Maybe this world is another planet's hell .

An Aldous Huxley quote! :)