Ctb reason

[egyptBp]

Does anyone want to ctb because they feel they are too stupid to have a meaningful life iam obsessive about having a low iq that i will have to live a shitty life

 

[przeciwwymiotne]

I have a high iq but I'm a low life so don't worry iq isn't the only factor in creating a meaningful life. It all depends on how hard you try

 

[Klophy]

Yeah, I can relate. I feel like I have this constant brain fog when trying to learn something, even something basic.

I feel like i'm smart enough to know how stupid I am but not smart enough to fix it. That coupled with the problems life throws at you makes it unbearable.

 

[KQuotientW]

I have a relative with a low IQ. An IQ test is just a piece of paper. The way society works is a one-size-must-fit-all system, even though we are all different. It's society that is flawed, not you. No one is the same. If we were all rocket scientists, society wouldn't function. We need the diversity and diversity is beautiful. I don't rate as having a low IQ, personally, and I'm not going to pretend to understand your lived experience. However, I have acquired brain injuries from an assault in my younger years. People get impatient and rude when I take longer to read or process information. I'm not going to apologise for who I am. I'm not doing it to them, I'm not doing anything wrong. They need to grow a pair and learn acceptance. We are raised to believe that we must live up to their standards. How about they stop being elitist and learn to accept us all? If people are being assholes to you for who you are, they're wrong, not you.

ETA: I have been a carer for many decades. Not currently a carer. However, I get quite passionate about standing up for those who have been left out by society, which includes me because of my acquired brain injury. I know how it feels and it sucks that people are rude about difference.

 

[LastFlowers]

Does anyone want to ctb because they feel they are too stupid to have a meaningful life iam obsessive about having a low iq that i will have to live a shitty life

Intelligence (of the quantifiable sort) is a significant privilege (among several others) which is strongly correlated with how successful a person is in life (& w/ other benefits outside of the rat race that people take for granted) so if you truly fall on the disadvantaged side of it and it causes you to suffer, I wouldn't blame you for that being your reason to ctb.

Just be sure that's actually the case first and not simply along the lines of what they call "imposter syndrome" where you're always doubting your own abilities and may have no real need to.
If you have other attributes going for you, they may also be able to offset a certain degree of legitimate lacking in intelligence and mental processing.

 

[DreamSurfer]

Does anyone want to ctb because they feel they are too stupid to have a meaningful life iam obsessive about having a low iq that i will have to live a shitty life

Out of curiosity can I ask you to provide why having a shitty life equates to a low IQ to you? I am not trying to invalidate what you feel in your own life, just would like a little more break down. Is this something that you are using to compare to others as far as how successful you can be, and what you can have in life in relation to what others have in society?

 

[betternever2havbeen]

Yeh I'm too stupid to take care of myself. It takes me ages to process things, can't think on my feet or be proactive. It's weird cos I feel like I'm pretty good at giving advice to others but I've managed to completely fail at my own life.

 

[Flying Away]

IQ tests have no relevance to our lives. I have known people with low iqs who have succeeded. I'm here to listen

 

[DreamSurfer]

Intelligence (of the quantifiable sort) is a significant privilege (among several others) which is strongly correlated with how successful a person is in life (& w/ other benefits outside of the rat race that people take for granted) so if you truly fall on the disadvantaged side of it and it causes you to suffer, I wouldn't blame you for that being your reason to ctb.

Just be sure that's actually the case first and not simply along the lines of what they call "imposter syndrome" where you're always doubting your own abilities and may have no real need to.
If you have other attributes going for you, they may also be able to offset a certain degree of legitimate lacking in intelligence and mental processing.

I would have to question what your definition of success is here, not everyone has the same definition of success as the "societal norm." And not all people that are highly successful (by western society standards) have a high IQ, I guarantee that.

I have worked with people that make extreme amounts of money, but I wouldn't consider higher than average IQ. I work in an extremely technical field, and look at some people, especially in supervisory or management rolls, and wonder how they even made it through life. And know people that are not very smart but picked up a simple trade or craft that is very basic but needed, and achieve very good money because it is needed.

Society functions on many IQ levels, and things that many varying IQ levels can lead to enough success to have many material things if that is what your definition of success is.

IQ tests have no relevance to our lives. I have known people with low iqs who have succeeded. I'm here to listen

This right here. I kind of dragged out a longer version of this, but really think it is important for people to understand this.

 

[outrider567]

You can still be successful with a typical IQ of 90 or 100---My father said he only got into Stanford because he was president of his class, otherwise no chance of being accepted with his mediocre grades--and his 4 yr degree at Stanford was only in Public Speaking!--Yet he went on to become a multi-millionaire in business-----and imagine the low to middling IQ's of famous actors and actresses, and musicians and rappers lol-------My step-sister got a degree in history(so easy)from Florida State,yet became a millionaire decades later by being a successful financial trader in charge of selling bonds

 

[8evergo]

I have a shit married live shit health problems and I know how shit is this world I don't want be any more every day ist straggling

 

[LastFlowers]

I would have to question what your definition of success is here, not everyone has the same definition of success as the "societal norm." And not all people that are highly successful (by western society standards) have a high IQ, I guarantee that.

I have worked with people that make extreme amounts of money, but I wouldn't consider higher than average IQ. I work in an extremely technical field, and look at some people, especially in supervisory or management rolls, and wonder how they even made it through life. And know people that are not very smart but picked up a simple trade or craft that is very basic but needed, and achieve very good money because it is needed.

Society functions on many IQ levels, and things that many varying IQ levels can lead to enough success to have many material things if that is what your definition of success is.

This right here. I kind of dragged out a longer version of this, but really think it is important for people to understand this.

What is your angle? Where do you stand as far as IQ is concerned?

I would have to ask you the same thing, what your definition of "success" is?
And why you insist on putting "societal norms" in quotation marks when we all, unfortunately, are subject to said norms, constructs, systems, and the individuals that uphold them.
We can't just waltz into another realm and play by our own rules and expect others to see us and reward us for blazing our own path.

Where did I ever say that "all people that are highly successful have a high IQ"?

Would you like to point out to me the location of such a statement in my comment?
Because you seem to believe I have made this claim.

I said there was a strong correlation.
Which is irrefutable in the sense that it has been concluded by various scientific studies and empirical evidence as well as direct anecdotal evidence (not indirect, which you have exemplified), not my personal opinion.
And not only in western civilization..
you don't need western institutions to benefit from a heightened IQ.
(Though the most lucrative occupations or endeavors often require such.)
That should go without saying..(which I alluded to in my "take for granted" statement).

Do you live the lives of some of those implied exceptions you deem as "successful" to appreciate the tireless compensation they employ in order to make any progress in this world without suitable intellect?
(And/or other privileges/advantages.)
Do you follow them behind closed doors and endure the consequences of the effort (which ironically often goes under-appreciated in comparison to more inherent, unearned traits)?
Are you aware of what other countless factors may have contributed to their success?
(Which I made room for the possibility of, in my own comment, so I'm questioning your intent in responding to me to begin with..)
Do they consider themselves successful?
Or are you patronizing here?
Also, how do you know your own judgements on "how they even made it through life" are accurate, or that you're not just inappropriately drawing conclusions regarding supposed mediocre or poor characteristics about them based on superficial reasons?
You would really have to climb into their skin and breach their privacy to know that their station in life is genuinely that surprising.

Btw, no. My definition of success is not based on material goods (or even just money), but that can and often is a result of being successful (and thus having more opportunities and freedoms to do as you wish).
I'm not here to argue semantics or fancy myself idealistic, unrealistic or condescending notions of "success".

You say "society functions on many IQ levels"…yea, I'm sure the 1% would agree with you.
"Society" (aka a group of individuals) functions on all types of variables and notches on the spectrums of certain qualities…and many people are all the worse for it because they're required to do the grunt work and break their backs to be the support beams beneath the overarching hierarchy.
Not everyone can survive that.

I, too, know of people who "succeed" in their given trade or craft (which, by the way, was rarely their choice or dream), they help make this rotten world go round and keep the lights on and the plumbing running for the rest of us as we sit back and rarely consider their contributions or sacrifices.
I don't take kindly to setting forth the idea that they're all so content or personally feel successful enough to warrant their positions, especially in comparison to others (who they tend to be required to serve).
That's just a way for those who feel superior enough to make such assertions to placate themselves and their myopic world view.

My comment's intent was to support OP and acknowledge their valid dilemma.
It also just happens to be indicative of reality as I am adverse to empty "feel good" platitudes or just world fallacies.
There is a person's personal idea of success (which often still retains much of society's expectations) and there is the sort of success that gets you ahead, keeps you from falling behind and groveling/suffering, achieves certain aims or goals and allows you to live comfortably, freely or even lavishly.
Climbing the ladder to reach contentment or happiness..or maybe even safety from harm.

(You would have to ask OP what their goals are where all that is concerned, and whether they think their issues with intellect are a large enough obstacle to prevent them from reaching them.)

Your idea of success seems to be "the fulfillment of purpose"…but whose purpose?
And to what end?
The roles we play (and may even be good at) are rarely agreeable or enough to warrant the label of "success", unless to another person who wants to utilize our efforts for their own gain, and with little to nothing in return.
Let's think about those running the show here..and the narrative.
What sort of "success" would you say those people have achieved or had handed to them?


Sorry if I'm misinterpreting tone or any points you have offered up in the face of my own, but I'm a little confused as to the necessity in it.
(Feel free to reply but I'm probably not going to comment any further on the subject. I usually say my piece and depart.)

 

[Aeathelina]

I would consider myself the "smart kid" who everyone praised then burned out once I became an adult who couldn't fight the temptation of alcohol and S/H. I just want to die because I am tired of being a burden on those around me

 

[outatime_85]

Based on my family dynamics, I have a low IQ and lack intelligence.

That said, I have failed at every aspect of life, which has led me to the realization that I am not smart enough, etc., to be here, but this is only a small part of my reasoning for wanting to cash out.

 

[DreamSurfer]

What is your angle? Where do you stand as far as IQ is concerned?

I would have to ask you the same thing, what your definition of "success" is?
And why you insist on putting "societal norms" in quotation marks when we all, unfortunately, are subject to said norms, constructs, systems, and the individuals that uphold them.
We can't just waltz into another realm and play by our own rules and expect others to see us and reward us for blazing our own path.

Where did I ever say that "all people that are highly successful have a high IQ"?

Would you like to point out to me the location of such a statement in my comment?
Because you seem to believe I have made this claim.

I said there was a strong correlation.
Which is irrefutable in the sense that it has been concluded by various scientific studies and empirical evidence as well as direct anecdotal evidence (not indirect, which you have exemplified), not my personal opinion.
And not only in western civilization..
you don't need western institutions to benefit from a heightened IQ.
(Though the most lucrative occupations or endeavors often require such.)
That should go without saying..(which I alluded to in my "take for granted" statement).

Do you live the lives of some of those implied exceptions you deem as "successful" to appreciate the tireless compensation they employ in order to make any progress in this world without suitable intellect?
(And/or other privileges/advantages.)
Do you follow them behind closed doors and endure the consequences of the effort (which ironically often goes under-appreciated in comparison to more inherent, unearned traits)?
Are you aware of what other countless factors may have contributed to their success?
(Which I made room for the possibility of, in my own comment, so I'm questioning your intent in responding to me to begin with..)
Do they consider themselves successful?
Or are you patronizing here?
Also, how do you know your own judgements on "how they even made it through life" are accurate, or that you're not just inappropriately drawing conclusions regarding supposed mediocre or poor characteristics about them based on superficial reasons?
You would really have to climb into their skin and breach their privacy to know that their station in life is genuinely that surprising.

Btw, no. My definition of success is not based on material goods (or even just money), but that can and often is a result of being successful (and thus having more opportunities and freedoms to do as you wish).
I'm not here to argue semantics or fancy myself idealistic, unrealistic or condescending notions of "success".

You say "society functions on many IQ levels"…yea, I'm sure the 1% would agree with you.
"Society" (aka a group of individuals) functions on all types of variables and notches on the spectrums of certain qualities…and many people are all the worse for it because they're required to do the grunt work and break their backs to be the support beams beneath the overarching hierarchy.
Not everyone can survive that.

I, too, know of people who "succeed" in their given trade or craft (which, by the way, was rarely their choice or dream), they help make this rotten world go round and keep the lights on and the plumbing running for the rest of us as we sit back and rarely consider their contributions or sacrifices.
I don't take kindly to setting forth the idea that they're all so content or personally feel successful enough to warrant their positions, especially in comparison to others (who they tend to be required to serve).
That's just a way for those who feel superior enough to make such assertions to placate themselves and their myopic world view.

My comment's intent was to support OP and acknowledge their valid dilemma.
It also just happens to be indicative of reality as I am adverse to empty "feel good" platitudes or just world fallacies.
There is a person's personal idea of success (which often still retains much of society's expectations) and there is the sort of success that gets you ahead, keeps you from falling behind and groveling/suffering, achieves certain aims or goals and allows you to live comfortably, freely or even lavishly.
Climbing the ladder to reach contentment or happiness..or maybe even safety from harm.

(You would have to ask OP what their goals are where all that is concerned, and whether they think their issues with intellect are a large enough obstacle to prevent them from reaching them.)

Your idea of success seems to be "the fulfillment of purpose"…but whose purpose?
And to what end?
The roles we play (and may even be good at) are rarely agreeable or enough to warrant the label of "success", unless to another person who wants to utilize our efforts for their own gain, and with little to nothing in return.
Let's think about those running the show here..and the narrative.
What sort of "success" would you say those people have achieved or had handed to them?


Sorry if I'm misinterpreting tone or any points you have offered up in the face of my own, but I'm a little confused as to the necessity in it.
(Feel free to reply but I'm probably not going to comment any further on the subject. I usually say my piece and depart.)

First of all, my reply to you was actually a real question just to engage in a discussion of success as far as definitions go. And can see why the necessity was questioned. I apologize if my tone came off in a way to challenge you, or debate with you. Just a discussion is all. My statement about correlation was more of a general statement, you never said that all successful people have a high IQ.

Like I said, I was not here to invalidate OP's feelings. Was hoping to get an understanding of what success was to them so we could understand more and possible show them more angles if they had not already looked at it from all angles. It appears I came off as aggressive and challenging, when I just wanted to see OPs angle and see how we could maybe help soften up the pressure OP has on them pushing towards ctb. I also understand that everyone isn't the same, as far as what is insurmountable to one person may not be to another.

I wrote out a long response but realized that this thread is for OP and I don't want to further derail things. There are multiple things I feel that were either not perceived as intended or correctly expressed in my original message. All I will say is, that I respect your views, and partially have a different view on some things.