Ctb percentage

[divinemistress36]

What percentage of the population do you think would commit ctb if there was an instant peaceful pill to ctb with ?

 

[Darkover]

5 percent of 8 billion is 400,000,000

 

[maniac116]

Good question!!
I would bet that 1/3 of the world would CTB if it was readily available

 

[CantDoIt]

Well, the current suicide rate is about .01 percent so adjusting for failures I would raise it just a little bit higher than that.

 

[divinemistress36]

5 percent of 8 billion is 400,000,000

That's a lot when added up!

 

[rozeske]

I know I'd be in that statistics. I assume there would be an increase but not that significant amount. Not a lot of people want to die and those that really want to aren't waiting around for that pill.

 

[FuneralCry]

I would certainly as all I wish for is to never suffer again, I'm so tired of suffering in this cruel, painful existence, I just want non-existence where I cannot suffer anymore, under no circumstances would I wish to suffer for decades longer just to face the agony of old age. To simply be able to die in peace would solve everything for me, the fact that I cannot have a death like that causes me so much pain.

 

[wren-briar]

I think a lot of it would be contingent on when in someone's life.

For example, our mother likely never would, but both my sibling and I expect to go out at a time and manner of our choosing. If I had access, that would mean one out of the three of us would have CTB at this point, but ultimately, it's likely to be 2/3 of us.

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

Honestly? Up to 10% would be a safe bet imo. But I wouldn't be surprised if it were as high as 40%. A lot of people joke and/or vent about wanting to die and hating life, but they can't manage to get themselves to CTB for one reason or another. MAiD for all, or an easily accessible DIY peaceful exit, would definitely be a catalyst for a major increase in suicides.

But there's also the argument that having access to a peaceful and guaranteed exit would make people want to stick around and try to bear what they can, since they'd always have an out available to them. So perhaps 10% at most would take immediate advantage, and the rest would keep their "peaceful pill" tucked away somewhere at home, ready for whenever things go awry.

 

[Emeralds]

I don't think that the suicide rate would go up drastically. Only 1 percent of people commit suicide every year now. If a peaceful pill was available, it would still be under 5 percent.

Most people don't want to die. People who really want to die are the ones who go through with it. They aren't going to wait around for years on the small chance that they would qualify for euthanasia.

 

[cohomology]

I've met so many people who seem to genuinely enjoy life and who seemingly aren't troubled by anything that I think the percentage wouldn't be too high.
I guess it depends on how easy it is to obtain the pill. If each day for a month you'd have to confirm that you still want to die before you were able to obtain the pill, I think the percentage of people who take it would be much lower than if you could just walk up to a store and buy it without any questions.
My very rough and not even close to being scientific guesses:
- No waiting period, easy to obtain: 3%
- 1 month waiting period: 0.1%

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

Interesting question. I think it would depend on a handful of things. Is there any kind of approval people would need to go through to be qualified? Is it just available freely like alcohol or some OTC drug?

 

[divinemistress36]

Honestly? Up to 10% would be a safe bet imo. But I wouldn't be surprised if it were as high as 40%. A lot of people joke and/or vent about wanting to die and hating life, but they can't manage to get themselves to CTB for one reason or another. MAiD for all, or an easily accessible DIY peaceful exit, would definitely be a catalyst for a major increase in suicides.

But there's also the argument that having access to a peaceful and guaranteed exit would make people want to stick around and try to bear what they can, since they'd always have an out available to them. So perhaps 10% at most would take immediate advantage, and the rest would keep their "peaceful pill" tucked away somewhere at home, ready for whenever things go awry.

I was thinking 10 % to

I've met so many people who seem to genuinely enjoy life and who seemingly aren't troubled by anything that I think the percentage wouldn't be too high.
I guess it depends on how easy it is to obtain the pill. If each day for a month you'd have to confirm that you still want to die before you were able to obtain the pill, I think the percentage of people who take it would be much lower than if you could just walk up to a store and buy it without any questions.
My very rough and not even close to being scientific guesses:
- No waiting period, easy to obtain: 3%
- 1 month waiting period: 0.1%

I'm so jealous of people that love life

Interesting question. I think it would depend on a handful of things. Is there any kind of approval people would need to go through to be qualified? Is it just available freely like alcohol or some OTC drug?

Available freely like otc drug

 

[LunarLight]

Good question!!
I would bet that 1/3 of the world would CTB if it was readily available

1/3? It's huuuuge. I don't think so many people would like to die. Most people are afraid of death.

 

[divinemistress36]

1/3? It's huuuuge. I don't think so many people would like to die. Most people are afraid of death.

I agree. Theres a lot of depressed people but they dont want to die

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

Available freely like otc drug

I think in this case the pattern will be akin to the one we see with the legalization of weed for example. Or even alcohol, cigarettes. That kind of stuff. The major "concern" of the society is that those things are sold without many restrictions, the whole society will become potheads. Which clearly isn't the case. There will be people who will become potheads, of course. But there will also be people who just dabble. And people who never even touch that stuff. So I think with OTC ctb it would be similar to that.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

10% of the population is like 780 million people.

Most people don't want to die. I think realistically it would be a fraction of a percentage.

 

[pedrbel8805]

At least 50%, maybe a little more, most people live out of fear of being punished after they die or because something ties them to this world. Not because they really want to live.

 

[L'absent]

Even the most balanced and structured person would find it tempting not to have to fill their life with meaning in order to continue living. People live because suicide is scary.
Sooner or later everyone would take the pill. Obviously they would do it if it were available without a prescription at a cost of 1 euro or little more.

We live in a world that constantly monitors every little possibility of committing suicide, making suicide difficult and horrible. We are full of material, cultural and psychological terrorism barriers against suicide.

 

[Thisisme373]

I'd guess around 3 or 4%

 

[permanently tired]

Now that's a statistics I'd like to be part of

 

[pandorasactor]

I think society in general has this fake mask that everyone wears. Like you see people harping on about mental and how suicide is bad, but if there's an actual instant pill that can kill you people will 100% take it.

I mean there's methods that have a near 100% mortality rate for which popular figures/people have taken.
So I guess an instant death type pill would only make it easier for people and not influence the number of people taking it. Idk if i make sense ahaha

 

[athiestjoe]

The numbers are likely no higher than when N was readily available. I assume by "instant," you mean it will still take some time, similar to N, as there isn't anything we can ingest that would cause immediate death. Instead, we might focus on data like the number of attempts each year, as even if someone fails, it still counts as an attempt. However, this only accounts for known attempts; many go unreported.

The U.S. serves as a relevant example due to the prevalence of guns, which provide one of the fastest methods for suicide. While recent gun laws in many states have made access more difficult, for decades people had widespread and affordable access to firearms.

I created this grid based on known reports. However, I believe the actual number of attempts is likely only 2 to 3 times higher than what's reported. Even if we consider a range of 2 to 5 times the averages, the percentage of the population remains relatively low. I focused on some of the top countries because compiling data for every single nation would be time-consuming and probably wouldn't significantly alter the overall findings.

That said, one variable to consider is whether certain countries, like North Korea, might see individuals wanting to escape their circumstances. Factors like this could skew the overall picture, but even in such cases, it's unlikely to increase the global percentage by more than 1%. If people are in oppressive environments, they likely wouldn't have access to options like a peaceful exit. Access and cost are also important variables. Many of the attempts I listed are through very low-cost methods, sometimes even free, like jumping. Therefore, the data I've gathered is probably the most reliable indicator we have for making informed estimates rather than relying on hypotheticals without evidence.

Another factor to consider is how many terminally ill or elderly individuals might choose this method to end their lives. However, I'm not factoring that into my analysis because, when N was accessible, it didn't lead to a disproportionately high percentage of people using it. For example, in Oregon, hundreds received prescriptions for end of life meds but chose not to use them. This supports my hypothesis that the majority of people want to live.

I rounded the population numbers, but used more precise estimates for the percentage calculations. Most of my data comes from the WHO and other international organizations (links will be provided below). For a few countries, I also utilized local data to support my findings. Ultimately, we reach similar conclusions, and the variations aren't significant enough for me to delve deeper. As always, my calculations may have some errors, so I appreciate your understanding! Additionally, some countries, like China, may have unreliable or underreported data, and I suspect that some nations with less stringent reporting might have figures closer to those of the U.S., UK, and Canada. Even if we took the largest % from a reliably reported country, we aren't exactly get a large number anywhere. (I also rounded my numbers for math ease):

Country	Estimated Annual Suicide Attempts	Estimated Annual Suicides	Population (Approx.)	% of Population (Attempts)	% of Population (Suicides)
United States	1,400,000	49,000	331 million	0.422%	0.015%
India	1,000,000	150,000 - 200,000	1.4 billion	0.071%	0.011% - 0.014%
China	500,000 - 600,000	100,000 - 120,000	1.4 billion	0.036% - 0.043%	0.007% - 0.009%
Russia	500,000 - 600,000	40,000	144 million	0.347% - 0.417%	0.028%
Brazil	400,000	13,000	213 million	0.188%	0.006%
Canada	400,000	4,000	39 million	1.026%	0.010%
Bangladesh	150,000	20,000	166 million	0.090%	0.012%
Japan	120,000	20,000	125 million	0.096%	0.016%
Indonesia	100,000	10,000	276 million	0.036%	0.004%
South Korea	100,000	13,000	52 million	0.192%	0.025%
Germany	100,000	9,000	83 million	0.120%	0.011%
Nigeria	216,000	20,000	216 million	0.100%	0.009%
South Africa	60,000	12,000	60 million	0.100%	0.020%
Philippines	60,000	3,000	113 million	0.053%	0.003%
Pakistan	50,000	6,000	240 million	0.021%	0.002%
Mexico	40,000	7,000	126 million	0.032%	0.006%
Thailand	30,000	4,000	70 million	0.043%	0.006%
Australia	30,000	3,000	26 million	0.115%	0.012%
Italy	30,000	4,000	60 million	0.050%	0.007%
France	80,000	9,000	65 million	0.123%	0.014%
Argentina	12,000	3,000	45 million	0.027%	0.007%
Spain	20,000	3,000	47 million	0.043%	0.006%
Colombia	8,000	3,000	51 million	0.016%	0.006%
Morocco	8,000	1,000	37 million	0.022%	0.003%
Norway	8,000	600	5 million	0.160%	0.012%
Kenya	15,000	3,000	55 million	0.027%	0.005%
Uganda	12,000	3,000	46 million	0.026%	0.007%
Ethiopia	150,000	20,000	119 million	0.126%	0.017%
Finland	15,000	1,000	5.5 million	0.273%	0.018%
Belgium	7,000	1,200	11.5 million	0.061%	0.010%
Greece	5,000	1,200	10 million	0.050%	0.012%
Chile	3,000	700	19 million	0.016%	0.004%
Ireland	4,000	500	5 million	0.080%	0.010%
DR Congo	95,000	10,000	95 million	0.100%	0.011%
South Sudan	5,000	500	10 million	0.050%	0.005%
Venezuela	5,000	1,000	33 million	0.015%	0.003%
Australia	30,000	3,000	26 million	0.115%	0.012%
Thailand	30,000	4,000	70 million	0.043%	0.006%

Sources Considered Include: World Bank - Data on Health, CDC USA, World Health Organization, NHS UK, Euro Stat, ONS UK, Canada Suicide Stats, NCRB India, AIHW Australia

To note, the average of this cross section of 40 countries is 0.085% for attempt and 0.009% for success off of the total populations.

Thus, I truly think it would be around 1-2% maybe up to 3-4% even for argument sake that these numbers were outrageously low and to take into account the possible additions of people in some authortian countries opting to exit vs exist in their awful conditions and assuming they even had access/funds/ability to get it (which they probably would not) and to take into account any possible extra appeal there was a peaceful pill (again though, for so long there WAS a peacful pill option so I think that is a pretty good indicator this fact alone does not change the overall point the overwhelming vast majority of people want to actually live). Given no country even reaches 0.5% and considering the average, it is probably on the lower end of what I'd guess.

Ultimately, I can only speak for myself is that if there was a peaceful pill it would be down my throat immediately when it became available and if I could afford it! But I also know I am in the extreme minority of society who truly wants to exit and CTB!

 

[Morte]

Many, many people hate life, it's no wonder that I constantly read and see even normies fantasizing about a meteor hitting earth and hoping that an apocalypse will happen. I would guess 40%. There would be a 'pandemic' of suicide. This is why euthanasia will never be affordable.

 

[avoid]

I suspect the percentage will be in the double digits if you account for the elderly with or without a fulfilled life. If the suicide pill is destigmatized then at least 1 out of 10 elderly would want to choose the time and place of their passing. Choosing a time and place would be very convenient for those who look back on their life with fondness and want to stop suffering from the multitude of ailments and pains.

If you exclude the elderly then I think the percentage will be a single digit. I expect that schools and government agencies will educate the people about the seriousness of the suicide pill. It will be freely available but shouldn't be taken without thorough contemplation.

 

[affirmatice]

The numbers are likely no higher than when N was readily available. I assume by "instant," you mean it will still take some time, similar to N, as there isn't anything we can ingest that would cause immediate death. Instead, we might focus on data like the number of attempts each year, as even if someone fails, it still counts as an attempt. However, this only accounts for known attempts; many go unreported.

The U.S. serves as a relevant example due to the prevalence of guns, which provide one of the fastest methods for suicide. While recent gun laws in many states have made access more difficult, for decades people had widespread and affordable access to firearms.

I created this grid based on known reports. However, I believe the actual number of attempts is likely only 2 to 3 times higher than what's reported. Even if we consider a range of 2 to 5 times the averages, the percentage of the population remains relatively low. I focused on some of the top countries because compiling data for every single nation would be time-consuming and probably wouldn't significantly alter the overall findings.

That said, one variable to consider is whether certain countries, like North Korea, might see individuals wanting to escape their circumstances. Factors like this could skew the overall picture, but even in such cases, it's unlikely to increase the global percentage by more than 1%. If people are in oppressive environments, they likely wouldn't have access to options like a peaceful exit. Access and cost are also important variables. Many of the attempts I listed are through very low-cost methods, sometimes even free, like jumping. Therefore, the data I've gathered is probably the most reliable indicator we have for making informed estimates rather than relying on hypotheticals without evidence.

Another factor to consider is how many terminally ill or elderly individuals might choose this method to end their lives. However, I'm not factoring that into my analysis because, when N was accessible, it didn't lead to a disproportionately high percentage of people using it. For example, in Oregon, hundreds received prescriptions for end of life meds but chose not to use them. This supports my hypothesis that the majority of people want to live.

I rounded the population numbers, but used more precise estimates for the percentage calculations. Most of my data comes from the WHO and other international organizations (links will be provided below). For a few countries, I also utilized local data to support my findings. Ultimately, we reach similar conclusions, and the variations aren't significant enough for me to delve deeper. As always, my calculations may have some errors, so I appreciate your understanding! Additionally, some countries, like China, may have unreliable or underreported data, and I suspect that some nations with less stringent reporting might have figures closer to those of the U.S., UK, and Canada. Even if we took the largest % from a reliably reported country, we aren't exactly get a large number anywhere. (I also rounded my numbers for math ease):

Country	Estimated Annual Suicide Attempts	Estimated Annual Suicides	Population (Approx.)	% of Population (Attempts)	% of Population (Suicides)
United States	1,400,000	49,000	331 million	0.422%	0.015%
India	1,000,000	150,000 - 200,000	1.4 billion	0.071%	0.011% - 0.014%
China	500,000 - 600,000	100,000 - 120,000	1.4 billion	0.036% - 0.043%	0.007% - 0.009%
Russia	500,000 - 600,000	40,000	144 million	0.347% - 0.417%	0.028%
Brazil	400,000	13,000	213 million	0.188%	0.006%
Canada	400,000	4,000	39 million	1.026%	0.010%
Bangladesh	150,000	20,000	166 million	0.090%	0.012%
Japan	120,000	20,000	125 million	0.096%	0.016%
Indonesia	100,000	10,000	276 million	0.036%	0.004%
South Korea	100,000	13,000	52 million	0.192%	0.025%
Germany	100,000	9,000	83 million	0.120%	0.011%
Nigeria	216,000	20,000	216 million	0.100%	0.009%
South Africa	60,000	12,000	60 million	0.100%	0.020%
Philippines	60,000	3,000	113 million	0.053%	0.003%
Pakistan	50,000	6,000	240 million	0.021%	0.002%
Mexico	40,000	7,000	126 million	0.032%	0.006%
Thailand	30,000	4,000	70 million	0.043%	0.006%
Australia	30,000	3,000	26 million	0.115%	0.012%
Italy	30,000	4,000	60 million	0.050%	0.007%
France	80,000	9,000	65 million	0.123%	0.014%
Argentina	12,000	3,000	45 million	0.027%	0.007%
Spain	20,000	3,000	47 million	0.043%	0.006%
Colombia	8,000	3,000	51 million	0.016%	0.006%
Morocco	8,000	1,000	37 million	0.022%	0.003%
Norway	8,000	600	5 million	0.160%	0.012%
Kenya	15,000	3,000	55 million	0.027%	0.005%
Uganda	12,000	3,000	46 million	0.026%	0.007%
Ethiopia	150,000	20,000	119 million	0.126%	0.017%
Finland	15,000	1,000	5.5 million	0.273%	0.018%
Belgium	7,000	1,200	11.5 million	0.061%	0.010%
Greece	5,000	1,200	10 million	0.050%	0.012%
Chile	3,000	700	19 million	0.016%	0.004%
Ireland	4,000	500	5 million	0.080%	0.010%
DR Congo	95,000	10,000	95 million	0.100%	0.011%
South Sudan	5,000	500	10 million	0.050%	0.005%
Venezuela	5,000	1,000	33 million	0.015%	0.003%
Australia	30,000	3,000	26 million	0.115%	0.012%
Thailand	30,000	4,000	70 million	0.043%	0.006%

Sources Considered Include: World Bank - Data on Health, CDC USA, World Health Organization, NHS UK, Euro Stat, ONS UK, Canada Suicide Stats, NCRB India, AIHW Australia

To note, the average of this cross section of 40 countries is 0.085% for attempt and 0.009% for success off of the total populations.

Thus, I truly think it would be around 1-2% maybe up to 3-4% even for argument sake that these numbers were outrageously low and to take into account the possible additions of people in some authortian countries opting to exit vs exist in their awful conditions and assuming they even had access/funds/ability to get it (which they probably would not) and to take into account any possible extra appeal there was a peaceful pill (again though, for so long there WAS a peacful pill option so I think that is a pretty good indicator this fact alone does not change the overall point the overwhelming vast majority of people want to actually live). Given no country even reaches 0.5% and considering the average, it is probably on the lower end of what I'd guess.

Ultimately, I can only speak for myself is that if there was a peaceful pill it would be down my throat immediately when it became available and if I could afford it! But I also know I am in the extreme minority of society who truly wants to exit and CTB!

I think it's more accurate to consider lifetime CTB data though. Which is not as readily available.

I know it doesn't answer the question of how many people would do it right now. But in my opinion CTB at 50 and CTB at 20 are not too different. Regardless of how much life was lived prior, it still ended in deep suffering and a terrible decision to have to make.

There are many people on this Earth who have no idea that in the future they may find themselves in a position where they consider CTB.

From what I looked at online. Around 1% or more of deaths worldwide per year are due to suicide. This suggests that about 1% of people will die from suicide. Which is honestly a huge number.

I would imagine that if the option was always available. There would be a ton more people who CTB in their lifetime. Many multiples more. And a lot more people who CTB impulsively.

I can say that I have no idea whether or not I will CTB in the future. In my current mindset it seems more likely than not. Had I had that option, I probably would've used it when I first fell into a severe depression 5 years ago

 

[athiestjoe]

I think it's more accurate to consider lifetime CTB data though. Which is not as readily available.

Perhaps true. I probably still wouldn't go higher than my upper range of 3-4% but who knows. Maybe I would be blown away surprised by it, I guess there could be way more pain and suffering and desire for self deliverance than just some stats and figures could ever suggest. I certainly know how cruel and awful this world is!

It is definitely a fascinating question to ponder!

 

[affirmatice]

Perhaps true. I probably still wouldn't go higher than my upper range of 3-4% but who knows. Maybe I would be blown away surprised by it, I guess there could be way more pain and suffering and desire for self deliverance than just some stats and figures could ever suggest. I certainly know how cruel and awful this world is!

It is definitely a fascinating question to ponder!

I would agree on that. Of course no way to know but 3-4% would be a huge number already.

Just to be imaginative. Humans always have a crowd mentality. Even Suicide being a relatively rare taboo event is known to cause more suicides especially in cases of high profile people with lots of media attention.

I can only imagine with this option how there would be substantial snowball effect. After all it removes one of the biggest obstacles that prevents suicide. Who knows.

 

[identity0]

Even the most balanced and structured person would find it tempting not to have to fill their life with meaning in order to continue living. People live because suicide is scary.
Sooner or later everyone would take the pill. Obviously they would do it if it were available without a prescription at a cost of 1 euro or little more.

We live in a world that constantly monitors every little possibility of committing suicide, making suicide difficult and horrible. We are full of material, cultural and psychological terrorism barriers against suicide.

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That image really represents this world beautifully