Discussion ctb by train

[Chinaski]

I'm really sorry about bringing this up. I didnt intend for this to devolve into a huge debate… I know this method is controversial. I'm not even sure if I'll ever use it, either. it's just something I noticed is available to me and was somewhat considering.

Nah is fine, accept my apologies for steaming in to your thread and sending it spiralling.

Fwiw l think the practical gist of what were asking has been answered but l knew two people who successfully ctb with it, however they were both very desperate indeed - one had already attempted to cut his wrists and his parents were trying to help him but he left their house one day and did this, he was decapitated and it was not pleasant, its impact on his loved ones was severe and enduring. The other was a girl l was at college with, l hadn't seen her for years but it was reported in the news because the local mental health trust were held accountable - she was unwell and had been detained but was improving enough to be allowed out. She made it to the nearest rail track. Idk how quick it was for her, l so hope it was instant. In both cases it's fair to say they were suffering a great deal, my own feeling is that those who impulsively choose this method are often the most desperate and this was clearly the case here, it certainly would not be my method of choice.

 

[Someone123]

Reliable way is to put your head on the tracks so they decapitate you, if you jump into a train while it's coming to a stop you might just become paralyzed. You should follow where the tracks go and lay your head on tracks far from the platform to maximize success

With many trains this will not work, since some trains have an apparatus on the front over each rail that is designed to push any debris to the side- someone previously posted a picture on this but right now I can't find a similar picture.

 

[myopybyproxy]

There's nothing to be sorry about. I'd say it's much better for the forum to have healthy debates, as opposed to it being an echo chamber

exactly this.

 

[Cant go back]

OP I'll take some off the heat off you.

Don't think about anyone else when it comes to your decision apart from maybe your family. Yes some people might get traumatized, but for that to be a reason not to ctb with that method then you will never ctb! (So good for you, please stay around). Someone is going to be traumatized because of it, probably your family so if you're not worried about hurting them, who gives a flying fuck about people you don't even know!

Now I'm not saying make it as public as possible as a big fuck you to the world but, your choice is your choice.

Personally I wouldn't do it unless maybe it was at night. Wouldn't want someone getting me to a hospital and saving my life now ;)

 

[Pluto]

With many trains this will not work, since some trains have an apparatus on the front over each rail that is designed to push any debris to the side- someone previously posted a picture on this but right now I can't find a similar picture.

That might have been me. Something like this bogie. Anyway, anything will kill a person if it's travelling fast enough, or will not kill a person if it's not travelling fast enough. The tragedy of some improvised methods like this is that they risk not having the clinical research and forethought in order to be painless and effective.

 

[NormaJeane]

If the method fails, you will be severely handicapped and injured. So make sure you are beheaded.

 

[Someone123]

If the method fails, you will be severely handicapped and injured. So make sure you are beheaded.

There is no way to be sure you are beheaded- if you lie on the tracks with your neck across the track you body will get hit first and you will go flying or your whole body will get pulled under. Based on posts from people who have driven trains people don't get beheaded by this method.

 

[Squidbits]

There is no way to be sure you are beheaded- if you lie on the tracks with your neck across the track you body will get hit first and you will go flying or your whole body will get pulled under. Based on posts from people who have driven trains people don't get beheaded by this method.

That's unfortunate… if I were to do this, I thought decapitation would've been more successful than jumping in front.

 

[YourNeighbor]

If one were to say, "what you are doing is a very shitty thing, nobody with a moral compass would do it" you are criticising both the act and the individual.

Perhaps. Though I wrote nothing like your quote, which takes parts of two statements made by two users and combines them into one with no context.

That aside, I don't see you defending anyone turning an innocent third party into the instrument of one's suicide, without their consent. It's not defensible.

It's fair to suggest that one can't condemn on moral grounds anyone without the mental capacity to recognize how wrong their actions are (the same goes homicide, for that matter.).

However, if someone tosses out a method here that is morally objectionable, as is using another without consent to commit suicide, there is nothing wrong with dissuading the method on moral grounds in addition to other reasons. If you want to argue that the moral issue is unlikely to be convincing, that is another issue and is probably fair enough in many cases.

In short, OP, it's wrong to involve anyone in your suicide without their consent as would happen with the train method. Please don't. By all acounts this method also has a high likelihood of leaving you mangled and in terrible pain.

 

[LingeringUnreal]

Fwiw, I think these kinds of debates are a good thing to people considering various methods so they can see positives and negatives, rather than like one user pointed out, an "echo chamber".

Although I do wonder why trains specifically have this rhetoric of traumatizing drivers and this is not directed at people jumping off bridges onto freeways or off tall populated buildings.... for a train driver I always wonder if they're like "oh for fucks sake, another one?" Rather than the kind of trauma a crowd feels seeing a jumper.

 

[Chinaski]

This is my goodbye thread. I'm about to hang myself and will be discovered by my parents / l am leaping off a bridge in full view of the public / l am taking sn in a hotel room and my blue body will be stumbled across by a teenage girl on work experience / I'm going to shoot myself in the head, leaving someone to clean my cranial matter from the walls

DOGSPEED, I HOPE U FIND PEAS

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This is my goodbye thread, l am jumping in front of the next train-

WAIT WHAT, A TRAIN IS DRIVEN BY A PERSON, THIS IS NOT DEFENSIBLE, A VERY SHITTY METHOD INDEED, AS ANYONE WITH A MORAL COMPASS WILL AGREE, ALSO PEOPLE WILL HAVE THEIR TRAVEL DISRUPTED, OBVIOUSLY THE DECISION IS YOURS AND I RESPECT THAT BTW HOWEVER IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THIS SUICIDE FORUM RETAINS A STRONG ETHICAL CODE, AND FURTHERMORE,,,

 

[YourNeighbor]

Funny, not gonna lie, though the death row method comments were better. May have been the only comments on this site that made me laugh out loud.

I generally don't understand wishing peace on anyone, seems like the cheapest of cheap talk, but there is a major difference between suicide, which usually leaves a body behind (as every death does), and recruiting others into one's suicide against their will (train, traffic, suicide by cop, etc.). Going to leave it at that.

Peas be with you, but only if you choose them and don't force them on others.

 

[Chinaski]

Funny, not gonna lie, though the death row method comments were better. May have been the only comments on this site that made me laugh out loud.

I generally don't understand wishing peace on anyone, it always strikes me as the cheapest of cheap talk, but there is a major difference between suicide, which usually leaves a body behind (as every death does), and recruiting others into one's suicide against their will (train, traffic, suicide by cop, etc.). Going to leave it at that.

Peas be with you, but only if you choose them and don't force them on others.

Honestly l do get this fundamental point you are making and fwiw l don't disagree with it. My issue is with those raising their own moral and ethical reasons, in essentially condemnatory language, whenever someone asks a practical question around this method (and seemingly only this method).

 

[YourNeighbor]

Honestly l do get this fundamental point you are making and fwiw l don't disagree with it. My issue is with those raising their own moral and ethical reasons, in essentially condemnatory language, whenever someone asks a practical question around this method (and seemingly only this method).

I've seen negative responses to traffic and suicide by cop threads too, they just come up far less frequently.

 

[Chinaski]

I've seen negative responses to traffic and suicide by cop threads too, they just come up far less frequently.

Tbh these are significantly less effective than the train, l wouldn't consider either of them to be legitimate methods and imo this separates it from what is a gruesome, deeply traumatic but ultimately quite effective method which can result in instant death. If someone comes here to say they want that instant death it's not for us on this website to make them feel worse about this. If someone on here is intent upon that method a moral assessment is not going to dissuade them, but it will make anyone seeing it who also has these thoughts feel less able to openly share.

Fwiw "suicide by cop" is not something I'd seen before l joined this website and l have it in the same bullshit category as the many others which are popularised here. I don't draw a link between this and train because imo one is a ctb method and the other is internet bullshit.

 

[YourNeighbor]

Fwiw "suicide by cop" is not something I'd seen before l joined this website and l have it in the same bullshit category as the many others which are popularised here. I don't draw a link between this and train because imo one is a ctb method and the other is internet bullshit.

You must not live in the States. It's a real thing here (a rarer form of suicide, admittedly) though I know that to those who live in countries where firearms aren't readily available, it's a bizarre concept. When everyone is free to "bear arms," police approach every contentious encounter as one that can turn fatal. That means shootings can be provoked pretty easily, and when police shoot, they shoot to kill, not just to incapacitate.

 

[Chinaski]

You must not live in the States. It's a real thing here (a rarer form of suicide, admittedly) though I know that to those who live in countries where firearms aren't readily available, it's a bizarre concept. When everyone is free to "bear arms," police approach every contentious encounter as one that can turn fatal. That means shootings can be provoked pretty easily, and when police shoot, they shoot to kill, not just to incapacitate.

Indeed l do not live in the States, however suicide by cop is still available here in the form of being kicked to death by uniformed thugs, however you do have to black up beforehand for it to be truly effective.