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I wanted to start a thread about complex post traumatic stress disorder (CPTSD) which is also referred to as childhood post traumatic stress disorder.

Feel free to discuss, vent and reflect but please no judgement or condemnation. I will come back to this thread regularly to give advice and information about the different aspects of CPTSD which may help you to be informed. If anyone has resources they'd like to share please post them, provided they are either positive or informative 🙏

What is CPTSD?

Probably the root cause of the majority of mental health struggles beyond those associated with physical brain chemistry or brain damage issues (psychosis, schizophrenia, etc). CPTSD manifests in many ways including anxiety, BPD symptoms (and may be the root cause of BPD itself), dissociation, depression, disregulated emotions, self esteem issues, narcissism, shyness, suicidal ideation, insomnia, panic attacks and desperation.

CPTSD is caused by trauma typically inflicted during childhood and usually as a result of growing up in dysfunctional families. Trauma is a spectrum but the effects are usually profound in majority of cases. Someone who was neglected or grew up with inadequate parents who were either not present or inconsistent in their parenting can have as severe a case of CPTSD as someone who was sexually abused. The sensitivity of a person, the length of the trauma and the coping tools they adopted as a child will all contribute to severity beyond the nature of the trauma. Typically the trauma lasted years throughout the developing stage of childhood.

Do you suffer from CPTSD?

If you answer yes to at least 5 of these symptoms it is highly likely you do. Probably the vast majority of SaSu members do by virtue of being on this site in one capacity or another. Focus on the symptoms, not on dissecting your past.

- disregulated emotions, trouble maintaining emotional consistency.

- mood swings and reactive behaviour.

- regular or periodic suicidal ideation.

- low self esteem and lack of self worth.

- narcissistic traits (selfishness, manipulation of others, lack of empathy, a tendency to lie)

- your life seems to be a series of crisis after crisis.

- addiction (alcohol, drugs, sex, work, gambling etc).

- depression which seems chronic or recurrent.

- high and regular anxiety.

- poor memory.

- a desire to be rescued.

- heavy reliance or dependence on others.

- trouble maintaining healthy intimate relationships.

- social anxiety, shyness or fear of the spotlight.

- tendency to self sabotage when successful or life appears to be on the up.

- cynicism, bitterness, consistently negative outlook.

I will post more but for now don't want to overwhelm anyone reading this. If you identified with most or even all of the above, take a moment to breathe and sit in any emotional feelings that come up. You are safe right now and nobody is judging you so please try to be kind to yourself. Treat yourself right now as you might treat the person you love most in the world and check back in later. I will be giving more information and advice on how to start introducing methods and practices which will help you approach recovery 🙏❤️
 
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Healing from complex trauma is all about reparenting yourself and that will be the focus of this thread.

Think of yourself as two people. One is the adult, operating in the world within cultural and societal expectations and attempting - like all adults - to navigate often complex expectations and requirements. The other is the inner child, afraid for the most part and desperate to be helped. How you react in certain situations will determine whether the adult or the child are at the controls. The adult is cognitively aware, responsible, pro-active and can see cause and effect. The child is reactive, likely to freeze, take flight or lash out, cannot clearly see consequences to their actions, makes poor decisions and self soothes when afraid. But the world only sees an adult being reactive, an adult lashing out, an adult who makes bad choices and self soothes in adult ways (anything that feels good in the moment regardless of consequences, so drinking, gambling, taking drugs, casual sex, or even just procrastination - having fun instead of being responsible). At the extreme limit the child just wants the anxiety and pain to stop which leads to self harm as a distraction or suicide as a solution. Everything is short sighted because the child lives in the moment and has no capacity for patience. This leads to actions which hurt those closest to us, perpetuating the trauma cycle. They don't see the inner child, only an adult acting childishly.

So what causes the child to become dominant? We all have an inner child, but those of us with CPTSD are led by that child.

When children come into the world they are vulnerable and need protection, guidance, support and security. They look naturally to their parents and other adults but if they don't receive what they need they have limited options:

- find their own solutions
- find comfort elsewhere
- withdraw into themselves

Children are not good at finding adult solutions to long term problems, but they are good at finding childish solutions to short term problems, temporary fixes. They will try all kinds of strategies until something works. That then becomes their go to strategy.

Finding comfort elsewhere and withdrawing are solutions. The child might connect with a non parent who seems to give them what they need but lacks the natural love they require. Or they might retreat into a fantasy world where they feel comfortable and powerful, in charge of what happens. Or they might self soothe so the pain goes away temporarily. The child cannot escape their situation and cannot access the support or guidance they crave, which feels bad and scary. Anything that feels good and reassuring is a potential solution, no matter how unhealthy.

This is at the root of all complex trauma. The childish strategies are inappropriate in adult life but they become embedded and a go to for the child grown older. The adult's emotional and coping capabilities never mature as the trauma retards inner growth. The adult makes the same mistakes throughout their life as they fall back on childish solutions and when triggered, the child takes the controls, panics and flails around for a short term fix. Tantrums, selfish behaviour, reactive and unthinking responses are common and very difficult to control. Sometimes the adult is in charge and seems stable and cognitive but under stress they become 'disregulated' and everything is internalised as the child jumps into the cockpit. This can make it seem like the sufferer of complex trauma has, in extreme cases, two versions of themselves, but in most cases manifests as sudden mood swings.

People from complex trauma become experts at masking and suppressing the panicky, catastrophizing voice of the inner child. But this is exhausting, reserved for the outside world. The mask slips inevitably when energy levels are depleted or the sufferer feels they are in a safe environment around people they trust. It is therefore the immediate family who experience the inner child first hand.

In almost every case people who come from complex trauma hurt most those they love the most. Society doesn't recognise this in a sympathetic way. The hurt inflicted is interpreted as abuse and that's a difficult area to approach as we find ourselves in the cyclic nature of abuse and the reason complex trauma perpetuates through generations.

Note that abuse takes many forms: neglect, emotional instability or absence, psychological, sexual and physical. The abuser follows their own inner child and their own embedded patterns and, in turn, embeds new patterns in their children. It can be hard to find compassion or recognise the trauma as causal. Judgement is common.

The trauma typically leaves a child feeling inadequate, unloved and displaced. They assume the problems they face are caused by them, that they are inadequate, unlovable and unworthy. People from complex trauma have low or non existent self esteem and shame and every mistake they make and crisis they experience seems to confirm this as the external world judges them and reacts negatively to their compulsions.

The negatively affirming spiral is real and takes incredible effort and force of will to break. But it CAN be broken.

Perpetual shame and lack of self worth lead to depression. It can be hard to get out of bed and face the world - a world of harsh judgement, confusing realities and cultural expectations the sufferer is not equipped to handle. Masking is draining, which also depresses the nervous system, causes anxiety and feelings of despair.

Shame also affects a sufferer's willingness to engage in self care. Something as simple as taking a shower can feel pointless or dreadfully exhausting. Why care for someone you hate?

Self love isn't something that comes naturally to people from complex trauma. They have witnessed first hand all the damage they've caused and feel the only way to cope is to self soothe. Drinking, taking drugs, using sex, gambling typically become addictions. If the addiction can be broken - we tell ourselves - everything will be better. But the addictions are symptomatic, not causal. The complex trauma, unaddressed, will simply manifest elsewhere or the sufferer will relapse. Addressing the root cause will treat the addiction.

People from complex trauma also find it hard to trust and naturally so. They have been let down and failed by those they trusted to love them, nurture them and keep them safe. Those feelings of betrayal and insecurity become embedded. Recognise that this is the case if this is you but more than anything, acknowledge why. If people seem to let you down consistently throughout your life it may not be that they are untrustworthy but that you do not trust them. Your approach informs their reactions. Your interpretation is also an assumption, internalised to keep you safe and reinforce those assumptions. Being wrong here means being the bad guy, being the bad guy triggers our shame. We will go to great lengths to avoid dislodging that shame. It is deep rooted and hurts like hell.

So where do we start?

There are some simple things we can do and tell ourselves. Doing/saying these things daily will open us up to change, but the process will be slow. We are talking about building new neural pathways over the old. The old will still be there. We will slip, often. That's ok. Be comfortable with it. Accept it as normal. We cannot be perfect or heal overnight!

- Acknowledge where responsibility lies. You come from complex trauma and that isn't your fault. You cannot will yourself into healing overnight and are not responsible for the trauma. But once you know you have a problem, even if you cannot regulate your behaviour, you are now responsible for seeking help and healthy solutions. You are responsible for recognising that your behaviour stems from complex trauma, that your actions hurt those around you and that you need to take steps to change. Taking those steps shows accountability. That's a win. Keep an accountability journal. Write down each day one step you have taken that shows you recognize you have a problem and are being pro-active in approaching positive and healthy solutions. This doesn't need to be huge. You might say 'today I acknowledged why I can't get out of bed, then I counted to five and got out of bed because responsibility lies in knowing then doing.' or 'today I showered because keeping myself clean is an act of self care and I recognise that I don't take care of myself because I don't like myself and I now know why I don't like myself. Responsibility lies in knowing then doing'. Keep it positive and recognise the wins.

- Observe when the inner child takes over. Become an impartial observer free from judgement but acknowledge the aftermath, analyse it and reflect: what damage did the inner child do? Who suffered as a result? Was I self soothing? Was I withdrawing into fantasy? I know now why I do that. I can't control it yet, but knowing is half the battle (it really is).

- Monitor energy levels. Literally pause a few times a day and ask yourself, how am I doing? If you feel depleted, stressed, disregulated or anxious, take steps. Eat some food. Take a rest. Drink some water. Avoid self soothing with sugar or alcohol which ultimately depress energy levels in the long run. Remind yourself, masking drains me. It's a function of the cerebral cortex which exhausts calories faster even than exercise. It's normal for you to need time out.

- once a day recognise an uncomfortable feeling and sit in it. Feel it. Try not to be scared of it and assure the inner child (vocally if you like) that you are with them and there's nothing to be scared of. Assuming you are safe, which 9 times out of 10 you will be, assure the inner child they are safe, that you are going to stay in the cockpit for now, that you, as the adult, are going to make the decisions for now. Remember that the inner child doesn't trust you to fly the plane without crashing. Remind the inner child that there are no child pilots. Pilots are grown ups. Approach with a factual, incontrovertible assurance that comes from the kind of logic a child will understand. Talk to your inner child as you might to a real child. Be gentle but firm. Use humour. Give them lots of reassurance and be consistent.

This is enough for now. Practice these techniques and find what works for you. Things cannot be fixed overnight so be mindful of your limitations. You can recover. You can regain control of your life but it will take time. I'll post more in the coming days focusing on information and active ways to use that information. Do the above for at least one month before you expect results. Write everything down. Use a scoring system to measure progress, whatever works for you.

I will leave you with this link. Try it out and see if it works. Try to do it once a day, in the morning when you wake up or last thing at night. Work it into your routine for at least 21 days.

Remember to be gentle with yourself if you fail. You'll get there. Patience is yours to claim.

 
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I wanted to start a thread about complex post traumatic stress disorder (CPTSD) which is also referred to as childhood post traumatic stress disorder.

Feel free to discuss, vent and reflect but please no judgement or condemnation. I will come back to this thread regularly to give advice and information about the different aspects of CPTSD which may help you to be informed. If anyone has resources they'd like to share please post them, provided they are either positive or informative 🙏

What is CPTSD?

Probably the root cause of the majority of mental health struggles beyond those associated with physical brain chemistry or brain damage issues (psychosis, schizophrenia, etc). CPTSD manifests in many ways including anxiety, BPD symptoms (and may be the root cause of BPD itself), dissociation, depression, disregulated emotions, self esteem issues, narcissism, shyness, suicidal ideation, insomnia, panic attacks and desperation.

CPTSD is caused by trauma typically inflicted during childhood and usually as a result of growing up in dysfunctional families. Trauma is a spectrum but the effects are usually profound in majority of cases. Someone who was neglected or grew up with inadequate parents who were either not present or inconsistent in their parenting can have as severe a case of CPTSD as someone who was sexually abused. The sensitivity of a person, the length of the trauma and the coping tools they adopted as a child will all contribute to severity beyond the nature of the trauma. Typically the trauma lasted years throughout the developing stage of childhood.

Do you suffer from CPTSD?

If you answer yes to at least 5 of these symptoms it is highly likely you do. Probably the vast majority of SaSu members do by virtue of being on this site in one capacity or another. Focus on the symptoms, not on dissecting your past.

- disregulated emotions, trouble maintaining emotional consistency.

- mood swings and reactive behaviour.

- regular or periodic suicidal ideation.

- low self esteem and lack of self worth.

- narcissistic traits (selfishness, manipulation of others, lack of empathy, a tendency to lie)

- your life seems to be a series of crisis after crisis.

- addiction (alcohol, drugs, sex, work, gambling etc).

- depression which seems chronic or recurrent.

- high and regular anxiety.

- poor memory.

- a desire to be rescued.

- heavy reliance or dependence on others.

- trouble maintaining healthy intimate relationships.

- social anxiety, shyness or fear of the spotlight.

- tendency to self sabotage when successful or life appears to be on the up.

- cynicism, bitterness, consistently negative outlook.

I will post more but for now don't want to overwhelm anyone reading this. If you identified with most or even all of the above, take a moment to breathe and sit in any emotional feelings that come up. You are safe right now and nobody is judging you so please try to be kind to yourself. Treat yourself right now as you might treat the person you love most in the world and check back in later. I will be giving more information and advice on how to start introducing methods and practices which will help you approach recovery 🙏❤️
I haven't read the other post yet, but thank you for this. Thank you. I can't speak for others, but I definitely find this useful and I appreciate you take your time to create this thread.
 
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Let's talk about why people from complex trauma struggle in adult life.

Children are not born with a developed cerebral cortex. They live out of their limbic brain, a part of the brain that deals with survival.

This is why children are instant gratification monkeys. The limbic brain is also the centre of emotion, so children do what they 'feel' like doing. Given the choice between homework and playing video games, the child thinks 'I don't feel like doing homework' (no instant gratification) but I do 'feel' like playing video games (instant gratification). The parent or adult supervisor of the child must engage cerebral thinking for the child and say 'no no, you must do your homework, even if you don't feel like it, because if you don't you will be in trouble at school tomorrow'.

Children from healthy environments develop into their cerebral cortex as they grow, but people from complex trauma stay in their limbic brain. They live in survival mode and the limbic brain is responsible for survival. Fight, flight or freeze is a limbic response. So adults from complex trauma remain limbic, often for their entire life if they don't enter recovery.

All adults have some cerebral cortex activity so many of us from complex trauma do manage to live in semi-healthy ways some of the time. But in moments of stress or crisis, we revert to limbic thinking and because we remain largely in a limbic survival state most of the time, we tend to live from one crisis to the next alongside states of high limbic emotion.

People from complex trauma:

- procrastinate
- lack the ability to see that actions have consequences
- fail to understand how damaging those consequences will be
- act and behave based on how they feel
- want to experience only positive emotions
- are prone to addiction as they are more likely to consistently use unhealthy ways to appease their desire for fun, enjoyment and good feelings.
- manage their lives badly because they live in the moment and don't plan for the future.
- live from crisis to crisis because they don't plan for future eventualities and don't see that negative behaviour leads to negative consequences.
- do primarily what feels good, not what feels responsible.
- will react from the limbic brain before they think things through (using the cerebral cortex).

In my next comment I will talk about how we can retrain the brain to use the cerebral cortex and not the limbic centre.
So how do we reverse a lifetime of learned unhealthy patterns?

Limbic thinking is really at the heart of the problem. The inner child is essentially a metaphor for that part of us that switches abruptly and without thinking to the limbic brain, usually when triggered by:

- a strong and uncomfortable emotion,
- an assumption
- fear or anxiety (sensing or anticipating danger)
- a negative memory

But the limbic brain also retains patterns, behavioural survival templates we develop as children in order to survive on our own. We might find that in order to keep a dangerous adult regulated we attempt to please them and keep them happy (because when they are not happy they become angry, violent or disconnected). The limbic brain remains dominant in adulthood and retains these patterns so we become people pleasers, say yes when we should say no and lack the ability to use boundaries.

We might retreat into a fantasy world as children then, as adults, remain disconnected from reality and hide in realms of the imagination or lack an ability to understand and cope with reality. Or we might run away as children from our dangerous situation then as adults become restless and nomadic, always running away from uncomfortable situations.

Retraining the brain to focus on the cerebral cortex instead of limbic thinking will help us recognise and stop these behaviours. The less we allow ourselves to live in limbic states (limbic or limbo, never growing or escaping our difficulties) the more we will be able to develop new strategies and abandon the old unhealthy ways.

Shame is another cornerstone of complex trauma and comes from childhood in which the child assumes the neglect, abuse and disregulation of the adult is their fault. They cannot connect with the adult so they must be inadequate, unlovable and unworthy. These are limbic assumptions and as adults we will continue to make such assumptions, misinterpreting the actions and behaviours of our peers because we think from a primarily limbic brain, not a reasoning cerebral brain.

We can reprogramme ourselves - reparenting the child within or reducing the role of the limbic brain.

Begin with this mantra and ask it of yourself every time you act or react. Do so no matter how small the situation:

"Am I doing this because a) it feels good right now, because b) something in the past felt bad, or am I doing this because c) it will lead to positive things in the future?"

If the answer is a or b, the action or reaction is limbic. If the answer is c, the cerebral cortex is engaged.

Sometimes the answer is not applicable to a, b or c. In which case there are other complexities at play. We will explore those later in this thread. Most situations, however, will be applicable.

If the answer is a or b, actively and consciously try to replace your action or reaction with a c. This will be very hard at first. Be wary of self justifying why a or b is better in any given instance. If you struggle, that's ok. These things take time, patience and engaged thinking which can all be very exhausting.

Keep a notepad and jot down every time you self analyze either a, b or c. Don't worry about recording the details, just write a, b or c. At the end of the day count up each letter. When the number of c's outnumber a's and b's you are making positive progress.

This won't happen straight away and that's ok. Become curious rather than self critical. Be positive rather than negative. You will succeed, you can succeed. Everything you need to succeed you already have within you.

I will provide more techniques for reparenting the brain later. For now, give this a try and do your best to commit. We can only do our best. Responsibility is knowing then doing 🙏
 
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I have C-PTSD and relate heavily to the description of operating in this world as an adult and a child in one body. I'm rarely upset or emotional, but when I am, I fully regress into a child—down to the way I think and how I mentally refer to the people in my life (for example, "Mom" and "Dad" are replaced with "Mommy" and "Daddy" in my thoughts). It becomes a game where I have to figure out what kind of life I lead as an adult and pretend to be that composed, unreactive self. I was a very sensitive child and become sensitive again when I'm in this regressed state of being. I'm almost dissociated; my memories change and I avoid people I met as an adult, and I react to my reflection with panic because my emotional age doesn't match my physical age.

I also relate to the idea of wanting to be rescued. I want it much more than I want to die: to be saved somehow. To have someone who thinks of me and goes soft, because it's me. And in my ideal world I would feel the same instead of feeling hollow.
 
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I have C-PTSD and relate heavily to the description of operating in this world as an adult and a child in one body. I'm rarely upset or emotional, but when I am, I fully regress into a child—down to the way I think and how I mentally refer to the people in my life (for example, "Mom" and "Dad" are replaced with "Mommy" and "Daddy" in my thoughts). It becomes a game where I have to figure out what kind of life I lead as an adult and pretend to be that composed, unreactive self. I was a very sensitive child and become sensitive again when I'm in this regressed state of being. I'm almost dissociated; my memories change and I avoid people I met as an adult, and I react to my reflection with panic because my emotional age doesn't match my physical age.

I also relate to the idea of wanting to be rescued. I want it much more than I want to die: to be saved somehow. To have someone who thinks of me and goes soft, because it's me. And in my ideal world I would feel the same instead of feeling hollow.
Thankyou for sharing your feelings and opening up. It's worth talking about some of the things you said as I think they are pertinent to one of the most important parts of complex trauma, which is attachment.

The desire to attach, as in connect with others, is one of the most powerful human drives and as children we need to attach. We are small, vulnerable and innocent so we look to our parents for that attachment. In essence, and to tie in with your own words, as children we look to our parents to rescue us from the confusion and danger of the world around us.

In healthy families this attachment happens naturally. We have parents who nurture, encourage and connect with us at every developmental stage. Such parents are:

- content with and attached to themselves in a healthy way.
- aware of the needs of the child which may not always align with what the child wants in the moment.
- able to give their full and genuinely loving attention at every stage in the child's life, from infant to teenager.
- authentic in themselves and comfortable with their own values. They parent from their cerebral cortex, not their limbic brain, and they put the child first because they know this will lead to a healthy, productive future for the child.
- consistent.

Children from complex trauma do not experience this. Parents of children from complex trauma are:

- disconnected from their sense of self, lacking self worth and inward looking, selfish and/or distant.
- unaware of the child's needs because their own needs come first. They may give the child what it wants, not what it needs, in order to appease the child and avoid tantrums.
- distracted by their own baggage so they don't give the child their full or, sometimes even any attention. They are easily irritated by the child or cannot relate and so cannot engage.
- uncomfortable with themselves and disregulated so that their emotions are unpredictable and feel unsafe to the child.
- operating primarily from their limbic brain (see my comment above where I explain the difference between limbic and cerebral behaviour). They parent in the moment based on what feels good or easy, not what will benefit the child in the long term.
- inconsistent.

The child cannot rely upon and does not form a strong attachment with the parent. They grow up heating about the values of love, respect and nurture but have no direct experience of it and they carry this through into adulthood. As a result, people from complex trauma struggle to form healthy relationships, understand the true meaning of love or seek attachments with individuals who mirror the unhealthy attributes of their parents. For this reason, people from complex trauma often are drawn to others from complex trauma which leads to inauthentic relationships, dysfunction and codependency. One partner is usually the victim who longs to be saved while the other is a narcissist who recognizes vulnerability and exploits it. Both are victims of CPTSD though they manifest in different ways.

Codependency emerges over a long period of time so it may be years or even decades before such couples become enmeshed. In the early stages there is typically infatuation and midway there may be children. This is the cycle and how complex trauma perpetuates through generations.

We will call each partner the rescuer and the rescued. Narcissism comes with many negatives connotations but it's important to remember that narcissists are also victims of complex trauma. They have merely developed different tools in childhood to cope. Instead of people pleasing in order to survive, they learned to lie and focus only on their own needs. Where the rescued became hyper sensitive to the moods of unsafe adults, the rescuer became numb to them. Both are survival techniques born of insecurity and perpetuated by shame, low self esteem and pain.

Early warning signs of codependent relationships:

- the rescuer lacks authentic empathy and will do and say anything to win the trust and adoration of their partner. They will lie without thought to present themselves as ideal.
- the rescued will put the rescuer on a pedestal.
- the rescuer may drop their mask from time to time early on, becoming moody, angry or unreasonable but will always have contrived excuses ready to explain their behaviour and will counter such moments by doubling down on their role as the rescuer.
- the rescuer will equate love with sex and may be unable to differentiate the two things.
- both parties will rush into the relationship, professing love early on or moving in together or getting married impulsively.
- the rescued will base most of the decisions they make in the relationship on whether the outcome will put the relationship at risk. Fear of abandonment will predominate and determine their choices.
- the rescuer will take ever increasing degrees of liberty within the relationship. Their respect for the rescued will wane over time resulting in abuse and infidelity.
- the rescued will become emotionally reliant on the rescuer for a sense of self worth.
- the rescuer will typically be impulsive and hedonistic, relying on the rescued for necessities such as money, a roof over their head etc. but they will expect these things in an entitled, not a grateful way.

Such relationships are not only doomed to fail in almost every instance but will only further traumatise both partners and inflict trauma on their children.

It can be almost impossible not to fall into these types of relationship when we come from trauma because healthy partners fail to provide either the rescuer or rescued type with the things they need and expect from a relationship. A healthy person will not be willing to rescue as this requires an intrinsic sense of narcissistic self importance (though not self worth because someone who has self worth will recognise the unhealthy needs of someone who does not and will not attach to them). Similarly, a healthy person will respond appropriately to the grandiose posturing and unhealthy behaviours of a rescuer and will avoid them, once again recognising them as lacking in empathy, self respect and authenticity.

It is worth pausing here again to say that the rescuer or narcissist may appear to be self-aggrandizing, confident and impressive but this does not mean they have self worth. The opposite is true. Narcissism is a form of over compensation, presenting as perfect and perfectly in control in order to hide a deep sense of shame. Healthy people do not need to do this any more than a highly intelligent person needs to constantly tell everyone they are highly intelligent. It is self evident.

We can only avoid this type of situation by developing our own sense of self worth, by releasing the shame that sits within us (that hollow, gnarly feeling of constant discomfort within our own skin). When we release shame we open the door to self worth. Not self worth given to us by the admiration and adoration of someone else, but intrinsic self worth. We must recognize that we have value, that we deserve to be part of this world and that we love, accept and respect all of who we are without condition. In other words, we love ourselves. In loving ourselves we become capable of understanding love, loving our partner and loving our children healthily.

In short, we must attach to ourselves. If we can do this we can attach to someone who is also attached to themselves and will, perhaps for the first time, experience true profound love. This will seem very alien to us because it will unfold like this:

- slowly and naturally
- with lots of mutual respect
- with retained independence (both partners will remain individuals and keep their sense of self)
- with no fear of abandonment or betrayal. There will be no jealousy, disregulation or constant fighting because trust will form a cornerstone. When we love ourselves we trust ourselves and those around us because we trust our own ability to recognize authenticity.
- with sex as a manifestation of mutual pleasure, affection and intimacy rather than a struggle for control/dominance or a release after confrontation.

In my next comment I will suggest some ways we can work on shame, releasing it from our lives in order to attach to ourselves.
 
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i've been working on recovering from/getting through this. thanks for this thread.
 
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I have every single one of these symptoms. I wish I was exaggerating but I doubt that is the case. I grew up with a mother with severe OCD. While she loved (and still does) in her own way, her expectations of me and inability to accept me as a person outside of who she wanted me to be has had a deep mark on me. I have had trust issues since I can remember. She makes everything about herself even when it has nothing to do with her (e.g. my tattoos and style, my depression) and apparently I do the same thing. I haven't seen healthy love or affection growing up and it certainly shows in my own relationships as an adult.
 
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i've been working on recovering from/getting through this. thanks for this thread.
I'm so glad to hear you are working on your complex trauma. You've shown incredible courage by recognizing that your issues are a problem and even greater courage and strength by taking steps to try to recover. You are on the right path now, even if you deviate or slip, you know where the path is and that knowledge can never be taken away from you. Remember that you have innate value as a person living in this world and that you are ok. In this moment, as you read this, you are ok. Hugs and encouragement 🙏
I have every single one of these symptoms. I wish I was exaggerating but I doubt that is the case. I grew up with a mother with severe OCD. While she loved (and still does) in her own way, her expectations of me and inability to accept me as a person outside of who she wanted me to be has had a deep mark on me. I have had trust issues since I can remember. She makes everything about herself even when it has nothing to do with her (e.g. my tattoos and style, my depression) and apparently I do the same thing. I haven't seen healthy love or affection growing up and it certainly shows in my own relationships as an adult.
I'm sorry to hear about your mother. My comment on attachment may be useful to you.

As a child you had a natural longing to attach with and connect on a profound emotional level with your mother but could not and that was traumatic. I want to acknowledge that you recognise your mother's own problems with OCD which shows compassion and awareness. OCD is also a common symptom of complex trauma. As traumatised children, lacking adult connection, guidance and safety, we develop our own childish tools to survive and in your mother's case I think she developed a strong desire to control what she could control. As this was likely very little, she exerted control over her surroundings, applying supernatural belief systems such as 'if I lock the door five times that will ensure bad things don't happen today'. This is very common but also very disregulating and inconsistent for a child in the sufferer's care. People from complex trauma who manifest control symptoms such as OCD also tend to exert control over those in their care who are otherwise powerless and this creates a cyclic perpetuation of the same trauma.

It is important to acknowledge that you know the reasons why your life is difficult and why you seem to be facing so many challenges. Knowing and naming the demon allows us to tackle him and enter recovery in an informed and powerful way.

You are here now and that is a step in and of itself. You have already shown great bravery and integrity by opening up. I would encourage you to read through this thread and visit back regularly as this is a safe place where you will find help and hopefully some methods you can apply as you embark on your recovery.

I wish you peace and hope you can find a way to connect with yourself in a loving, respectful and accepting way. 🙏
 
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In this comment I want to talk about how we speak to ourselves, how we, as adults responsible for our inner child, can heal and walk the road to recovery by speaking and behaving in healthy ways when we speak and act towards ourselves. This will not be easy. You have likely spent a long time mistreating and abusing yourself in the mistaken belief that:

- you deserve it,
- you are not good enough and should be punished,
- you are only worthy of contempt,
- the thing you think of as 'you' is not the same as the thing you berate.

That last is important. People from complex trauma will often assume that their brain or body is against them, that they are divided somehow into two people (one good, rational and wants to be healthy and successful, the other self sabotaging, impulsive, reactive and unmotivated to be healthy). While dissociation and the causal trauma can create schisms of thinking, the truth is we are a single entity, inhabiting one mind and one body. When we speak or act badly to ourselves it is to every part of ourselves. This fact is inescapable. Therefore, the consequences of approaching ourselves in unhealthy ways will be felt by every aspect of our self, including that part we think of as ourselves but also and even our physical body. The body is not exclusive to the mind and reacts, over time, in negative ways to negative patterns. For this reason people from complex trauma often suffer from physical issues. These can manifest as:

- stomach or digestive problems such as heartburn, hiatus hernia, irritable bowel syndrome and even ulcers.
- Chronic fatigue, muscle weakness or insomnia.
- Joint paint.
- Heart arythmia or palpitations.
- Back or neck pains, a tendency to easily pull muscles and cramp.
- Skin complaints
- Migraines
- Anxiety symptoms and surges of adrenaline which can be exhausting and debilitating.
- High or low blood pressure.
- Anemia and associated tiredness.

If you suffer regularly with any of the above complaints, first seek medical advice. It is ok to get help managing these conditions through medical channels. Medication will help to ease your struggles but making changes in your mind, in the way you speak to and act towards yourself will tackle the root cause - your inner self.

So what does unhealthy self regard look like? Recognizing the standard, go-to patterns will help us become aware that we use those patterns. As you recognize each one, allow any feelings of guilt, shame or unhappiness to pass by. Acknowledge them, but release them. Remember that knowing, then doing is an act of responsibility, which is admirable. We cannot know unless we are first informed.

- We are not open to ourselves, to recognizing our own struggles as valid or our self worth as innate, so we are impatient and closed to our own sense of confusion, despair or emotional turmoil. When someone says our life is inherently important, we don't understand what they mean.
- We are not attuned to ourselves. We may not understand why we feel the way we feel right now or why we are doing what we're doing. We act and speak in ways that hurt others but we may not want to speak or act that way and will certainly regret doing so later when we self analyze. We may not know our own sense of identity or feel harmonized with our sense of self. We don't know what it is we want out of life, either short or long term. As a result, we feel like passengers not pilots. This increases a sense of being two people and we are quick to judge that part of ourselves that feels out of control. We feel the pilot is not the true us and is so erratic and out of control that they will crash the plane.
- We don't 'get' ourselves a lot of the time and are quick to judge ourselves with inner dialogue like: "you idiot, why did you do that?" Or "Why can't I be like everyone else".
- We don't like ourselves, therefore we don't want to actively participate in healthy activities with ourselves. We may find ourselves isolated a lot of the time, but we are not comfortable in our own company. If we are alone we try to distract ourselves from our own presence, feelings and thoughts with unhealthy focuses like drugs, alcohol, masturbation, TV, phone screens, loud music etc.
- We don't allow ourselves to have fun unless that fun is in the company of others. Note that fun things are healthy things. Bingeing on alcohol or drugs, gambling or masterbsting is numbing, distracting, but rarely fun because there is always an associated sense of guilt. We may feel that guilt even when we find an enjoyable solo pursuit that isn't unhealthy. We will frame the activity as procrastination which tarnishes our enjoyment.
- We berate ourselves for our failures. We are our own worst and harshest critic. Our inner dialogue can be brutal.
- We don't feel safe with ourselves, so we don't trust ourselves. This increases that sense of the dysfunctional aspect of our inner self being a separate entity worthy only of contempt. All blame is placed on that entity for every problem in our lives.
- We do not feel true conviction in our own beliefs or values because we feel we are always in an unsafe conflict with ourselves. We are like two people arguing on the internet, but within one mind. Because of this we will feel easily threatened or attacked when our beliefs and values are questioned by others. Instead of standing by our convictions we will protect them, disengaging and becoming aggressively defensive.
- We are afraid of our own uniqueness and so we struggle to embrace that, which hampers our ability to be authentic. We present a version of ourselves that fits the situation or mask.
- We have unreasonable expectations of ourselves and berate ourselves when we are faced with a task that we think anybody should be able to do. If we attempt the task and fail, we come down hard on ourselves. If we attempt the task and succeed we don't acknowledge our achievement because this is a task 'anybody should be able to do'. In our mind we have simply met a minimum requirement for 'adulting'.

How many did you identify with? How many resonated?

Each one of the above examples for unhealthy self regard is also an example of toxic parenting. Parents who inflict trauma:

- do not have an open heart to the child or recognize them as valid, worthy or important,
- are not attuned to the child so don't have an understanding of their needs,
- don't 'get' the child and so don't identify or connect with them,
- do not do things with the child or spend healthy, quality time with them on a consistent, loving and unconditional basis,
- don't have genuine fun with the child, playing together on the child's level and being open to the child's imagination and desire to be silly, laugh and explore,
- are not accepting of failure, will be highly critical and frame failure in the child as a reflection on themselves,
- don't offer support or encouragement consistently or, in some cases, at all.
- don't help the child process their failures and learn from them,
- don't openly love the child or love them unconditionally and show genuine love for every part of them,
- do not tolerate disagreements. The child's opinion or beliefs and values are invalid because they are a child and any disagreement is framed as being argumentative and/or disrespectful,
- discourage uniqueness and encourage conformity, whether this is conformity with family or society and certain perceived, important values (important to the parent),
- ask too much of the child, giving them age inappropriate tasks to complete or unreasonable behavioural and thought process expectations. Without being taught, the child is expected to know how to behave. In extreme cases the parent includes the child in age inappropriate activities such as drinking alcohol, watching age inappropriate movies or being invited to participate in conversations that the child cannot understand.

You may notice the correlation between each bullet point for unhealthy self regard and unhealthy parenting. Our childhood experiences of parenting (the parenting style we were taught) translates to the manner in which we parent ourselves. Because trauma is cyclic, we may also find we parent our own children the way we parent ourselves. We may actively try not to do this. We may vow never to treat our children the way our parents treated us. But we will struggle with this vow so long as we practice those unhealthy parenting patterns on ourselves because every time we fall into those patterns we reinforce them.

So how do we 'parent' ourselves in a healthy way?

Firstly, we acknowledge that we have been using unhealthy patterns and that the patterns are indeed unhealthy. If we can do this, we have become aware of the problem as a problem. We now know. Knowing allows us to recognize that we need to change and trying to change unhealthy patterns is an act of responsibility. We no longer blame that dissonant, alien part of ourselves. We recognize that we are one mind and accountable. We allow any associated sense of guilt or shame to drift by. We acknowledge it but do not focus on it. We take time to let the knowledge and our intention to change settle in our mind. If necessary, we let the knowledge percolate for a while. It may be useful to return to this comment later and reread it.

Then we begin implementing patterns which healthy parents apply. We are now our own healthy parent. It will not be easy, comfortable or familiar. We will slip. That is ok because we are trying something very new and we are human. Knowing doesn't mean fixing but doing, trying and failure is part of that. When we fail, we apply the appropriately healthy self regard pattern.

- We open our hearts to ourselves as though we were our own child whom we love unconditionally. We tell ourselves gently and kindly that we are valid, that our self worth is innate and important.
- We learn to become attuned to ourselves. If our child were to come home from school and seemed unhappy and isolated themselves in their room, we don't demand they get out and stop feeling sorry for themselves. We empathize and acknowledge their sadness. We ask, is there anything I can do right now and we listen to them if they want to share, offer to be present without trying to offer any resolution if none are wanted or can be applied. In terms of self regard we acknowledge why we feel the way we feel and sit in any uncomfortable emotion, we don't judge and we don't place demands on ourselves to snap out of it. We might suggest to ourselves that we seek external guidance but we don't try to guide ourselves. We simply tune in to what it is we feel, name it and acknowledge that the feeling exists and that that's ok. We rise from our passenger seat and sit alongside the pilot in the cockpit. We don't try to wrestle the controls from them. We just sit with them and offer gentle encouragement. They are struggling to fly the plane right now but they are not alone and you trust them to regain control. You trust yourself.
- accept that we are unique because everybody is. Embrace our uniqueness and the things that make us special. List then if necessary and admire them. How dull the world would be if everyone were the same. Your uniqueness enhances the world, adds colour, makes everything more, not less, interesting. Acknowledge that being yourself is simply ok and that we cannot control the judgement of others. We can only change ourselves, stop ourselves from being judgemental. We can find others like us who share our interests and won't judge us for our differences. We can accept them as we accept ourselves. In doing so we can make valuable and healthy connections. We don't need external approval. We only need to approve of ourselves. The rest will follow naturally.
- We can spend quality time in our own company and acknowledge that our own company is good company. We can do this by taking up healthy solo activities. Taking a walk with ourselves in the countryside. Engaging in a solo hobby. Being creative and focusing on the joy of the creative process without judging the perceived quality of our output or comparing our output to others. Find what gives you the most satisfaction then set aside an evening or even a day to that activity. It should be something you can enjoy with yourself in a way that you are present with yourself. No distracting or numbing. Watching TV or even reading puts the focus on something else. Be with yourself and open to hearing your own thoughts, being interested in and atuned to those thoughts. They are valid. They matter.
- Have fun. Play and explore new things. Do a puzzle, ride a bike, kick a ball around on your own, climb a tree, sing and dance. Don't be embarrassed or feel you must perform to the best of your ability. Do it alone and acknowledge your own feelings. What do you feel? Acknowledge it. Accept it. Sit with it without judgement. It's ok. It's ok to be silly and to have fun.
- When you fail, and you will, offer yourself encouragement, tell yourself you will stand by you no matter what, that failure is normal and there will be opportunities to try again. Remind yourself that you have failed before and will again and that's ok. Failing is ok. You can only try your best. And if you realize that you didn't try your best, gently acknowledge that admission and learn from it. Not trying your best might be why you failed and that's a useful thing to know. Let any impulse to be critical or to berate yourself drift on by. You can acknowledge the impulse, but it's just that old learned pattern. You know better now. Goodbye old learned pattern.
- Offer yourself lots of encouragement. Talk yourself up. Hype yourself up. Tell yourself you've got this, you're going to smash it out of the park. Speak aloud. Find a private place to do that if it feels more comfortable. Remind yourself of all your good qualities, encourage yourself just as you would encourage your child or best friend or spouse.
- Trust in your own sense of the world as a series of ideas rather than convictions written in stone. You are separate from but informed by those ideas. If others criticise or question them, gently embrace the debate and be open to changing your mind if their argument is compelling. Think of it this way: if you are to live your life by a set of ideas it is best if those ideas are true and foolproof. It's easier to trust in them then and trust their ability to inform you. Any criticism is a criticism of the idea, not you. You are a person, not an idea. And ideas can be changed to make them better. This usually happens with external input, other points of view. This is healthy. At the same time, keep those who confuse you as a person with your ideas at arms length. Use boundaries. They are confused. You are not. You don't need to be responsible for their confusion.
- Recognize that we need to learn before we can do. Nobody is born with an ability to do all the things required of us as adults. We learn how to do them through education and applied practise. The guy who knows how to fix his own car learned how to do that then practised until he became adept. The person who can cook amazing meals learned how to do that then practised. You can learn things too. You can practice them. You can become adept. Acknowledge that this is the process. If you find any situation confusing or difficult to manage it is because you lack knowledge and practice. For almost every practical task in the world there is a YouTube video, or ask Chat GPT. There are an endless wealth of free online courses that teach everything from everyday skills like personal admin to the ins and outs of starting a new business. Maybe the task seems to you it is so simple no learning should be necessary. This isn't true. If you are struggling with a task, it isn't simple for you and that's ok. Trial and error will lead to frustration, so step back, take a breath and seek some guidance. Ask someone for help. Don't be embarrassed to do so. Most people who are adept at a thing will be delighted to help and pass on their skills. If they are not, find someone who is. Go easy on yourself and recognise the limits of your own abilities not as a constraints but a moveable line!
- Loving yourself unconditionally will come as you practice each of these new patterns. It won't happen overnight. It takes time and dedication, but it will happen and you can do it.

If you put these methods into practice, have any thoughts about what I've written or would like to add advice about how you have improved your own self regard please comment below. I would love to hear from you and this thread is all about you, your recovery and your struggle so please feel free to be open and make your important voice heard 🙏
 
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Chapter 8 of Pete Walker's "CPTSD: From surviving to thriving" book is awesome. I mean, that whole book is, but chapter 8 is nice.
 
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