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[boddibo]

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I guess I am fine? I just need to feel motivated to do the things I need to do lol

 

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[Arvayn]

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I got a whopping 2 and a half hours of sleep, but somehow, my body is enduring and I don't feel too tired at the moment. I had stale bread for breakfast, since it's better than starving, and I salted it to make it slightly less flavorless. Having to struggle to survive is fun. I am a paragon of physical health!

 

[boddibo]

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shit i'm sorry for you Arvayn


hi Jesus

 

[Xi-Xi]

I know it will be a while until anyone sees this, but what are your opinions on the new video?
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[boddibo]

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[Arvayn]

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I know it will be a while until anyone sees this, but what are your opinions on the new video?
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Show me what you mean?

 

[boddibo]

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[gunmetalblue]

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[Arvayn]

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Gimme 40 minutes to watch...

 

[boddibo]

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also a reason why i don't watch it

 

[RiderNo.4]

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no way could I suffer through that 40 min video, her cadence is awful

 

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[LionsTigersAndBears]

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[RiderNo.4]

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Nah, I doubt it, there's just something about it that sounds real

 

[boddibo]

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idk never even clicked on the vid

 

[U. A.]

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[boddibo]

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hi Fish-senpai

 

[Xi-Xi]

In the mood for fish sticks all of a sudden
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[boddibo]

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[U. A.]

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i also did not "watch" the video and merely skipped around with the sound off. i don't know why people think that's a human speaking, there is no way in hell.

 

[Arvayn]

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@Xi-Xi Watched it.

Spoiler: My Opinion

I think the video is interesting. The creator does her best to play the Devil's advocate where she can, though, understandably, it is still padded with quite a lot of unnecessary moralizing about life and death, likely due to her own biases getting in the way of her reporting, and needing to pander to a general audience. There is a degree of sensationalism to the way it's being reported on, but that's the media business for you.

Things I agree about with the video:

1. This place absolutely can be, and is, an echo chamber at times. It absolutely has caused avoidable deaths, for people who would of had happy lives in the future. Despite publicly advocating 'pro-choice' viewpoints, you're often avoided or othered if you don't pander to the common, doomer views. I think something desperately needs to be done about the de facto pro-death attitude on here that has been on the rise, but there's a fine line between garnering ethical discussions, and censorship.
2. Yes, the original founders were degenerates. They held a lot of questionable views and they're also the founders of an incel forum that advocates for female slavery, mass murdering, etc... It's a good riddance that the forum was given to a less radical administration, which she failed to mention.
3. It comes off as disingenuous for the forum to claim that it does not help with, support or provide resources for suicide, and that it is against suicide. I think this is done as a form of legal PR to get heat off of the place.
4. There are a lot of predators that are attracted to this place, because the people here are extremely mentally vulnerable and desperate; it comes with being in mental and emotional crisis. It is not safe for some people to be here, and I have seen one or two individuals accidentally let slip that they are children.

Things I disagree about with/dislike about the video:
1. She ultimately paints this website as a tragedy that should be taken down, and that it is a dangerous place. From what I can tell, this forum benefits so many more people than it harms. Countless suicides have been dissuaded because of the easily accessible information on here, since people realize that killing yourself is actually really risky, complicated, painful and difficult.
2. She mentions that she was able to find threads where people encouraged users about to CTB to go through with it and that it will bring peace. These threads were from AGES ago, when the site was a lot less moderated and more niche. She completely fails to mention that people who actively push others to CTB are very hated here. It is unrepresentative of the policies.
3. Regarding the predator point: To a degree, it is the user's responsibility to maintain their own safety, and the website does provide warnings and resources for reporting problematic users. To my knowledge, the moderation has always removed and reported these individuals as soon as they became aware of them. It is erroneous to say that the website should be abolished because of these predators. It is not the forum's or the victim's fault that these individuals come here; should we also abolish all other spaces targeted by predators?
4. There are fearmongering undertones to all of this. People love to paint this place as a suicidal death cult forum filled with psychopaths and murderers that BRAINWASH PEOPLE TO KILL THEMSELVES!!! It's not. Most individuals here are normal and well-intentioned. At worst, they indirectly contribute to worsening peoples' sadness, but again, I have mostly seen kind and hospitable remarks, and a lot of very sad and solemn words for those who go through with suicide.

 

[U. A.]

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everyone loves to hate on the suicide forum for the few hundred that died after using it in eight years, but no one hates on the medical industry for killing 3 million annually by medical errors. half of which are preventable.
and i say that as a person with a ton of gripes about this site.

 

[Xi-Xi]

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Exactly. It's society's fault for putting us here, yet they don't know how to do anything else but blame the mentally ill.
I wish people could see us for who we are instead of some kind of insane "Suicide Squad".

 

[Arvayn]

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Yep, but the medical industry gets excused because it actively tries to help people (hm, sounds familiar...), it doesn't have the intent of causing harm (hmm...), and, most importantly, it racks in a lot of money.

Exactly. It's society's fault for putting us here, yet they don't know how to do anything else but blame the mentally ill.
I wish people could see us for who we are instead of some kind of insane "Suicide Squad".

People view suicide as a massive tragedy, especially because they cannot fathom how someone's life might be in a circumstance where they don't find it to be worth living anymore. Users here say that it takes one to know one, and that you must have been depressed at least once in order to be able to get it; I don't entirely agree, but I do think that it's one of the most efficient ways to truly understand the experience of suicidal ideation.
It's all projection... it's sad, but they are scared of death and loss, and they were taught very rigid beliefs and values. I don't think they are intentionally malicious, but they still cause more harm than good due to ignorance.

As C.S. Lewis famously said:
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals."

 

[Xi-Xi]

People view suicide as a massive tragedy, especially because they cannot fathom how someone's life might be in a circumstance where they don't find it to be worth living anymore. Users here say that it takes one to know one, and that you must have been depressed at least once in order to be able to get it; I don't entirely agree, but I do think that it's one of the most efficient ways to truly understand the experience of suicidal ideation.
It's all projection... it's sad, but they are scared of death and loss, and they were taught very rigid beliefs and values. I don't think they are intentionally malicious, but they still cause more harm than good due to ignorance.

As C.S. Lewis famously said:
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals."

I remember when I first came out to my friends about being suicidal, and they immediately started blaming themselves, like they were the ones responsible for me feeling that way. Then they started demanding to know what was wrong with them, even though there was nothing wrong with them.

 

[Arvayn]

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I remember when I first came out to my friends about being suicidal, and they immediately started blaming themselves, like they were the ones responsible for me feeling that way. Then they started demanding to know what was wrong with them, even though there was nothing wrong with them.

Goodness, that must have been stressful. I can't even imagine what would have made them believe that. I am not sure if they were demanding out of being offended or demanding out of concern that they might be harming you, but I sincerely hope that it was, at least, the latter.

 

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