Discussion Could you survive homeless?

[Superdeterminist]

I can barely bring myself to contemplate the horrors of homelessness. I certainly would prefer death to even a single day of it. There is hardly a more humiliating, painful, undignified, and degrading state to exist in.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

I can barely bring myself to contemplate the horrors of homelessness. I certainly would prefer death to even a single day of it. There is hardly a more humiliating, painful, undignified, and degrading state to exist in.

I've had some conversations with these people… It's truly a living hell… Even in my sorry state, it allows me to appreciate food water shelter safety…

 

[Elegy]

This a topic I am passionate about, despite the fact I may sound like I don't take it seriously. If I do not sound serious, it's probably because I am drunk and unable to cope with the scary traumatic memories of being homeless. But rest assured I am dead serious about it. Serious enough that I was definitely planning to ctb, had I lost my only income source, my only life line; which sadly is SSDI benefits. A Government check.

I don't anticipate any SS members to rag on me about that. But feel free to do so, if you feel taxpayers should not be keeping my sorry ass alive. And I will promptly set your sorry ass straight. Just as I have done with numerous cops who busted my balls for being homeless and trespassing.

Some of you are also contemplating suicide for the same reason. You're out of $$$ and facing the streets. I hope that you don't, but I can understand why you feel death is your only way out of that hell.

And I want you to know, I am here, as an advocate and a friend, should you want that. I have never been driven so far as to live right on the street, like in a cardboard box under a bridge. I always had a vehicle, or tool shed, or tent in the woods to camp out in. I've never been in a shelter either. But I have a pretty good idea what shelters are like from what I have read. Not somewhere you or I would want to be, assuming they even have empty beds available in bitter cold winter.

Best I can offer anyone here, is share my basic survival skills tips, for living out of your vehicle or a tent in the woods. It is damn sure not easy, but it is doable, survivable. Maybe at least long enough for you to get back on your feet? Instead of giving up and ctb. Mind you I am not an expert on this. You can probably get better info on Youtube. But I'll share what I learned if you want.

Love and Best wishes for all.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

This a topic I am passionate about, despite the fact I may sound like I don't take it seriously. If I do not sound serious, it's probably because I am drunk and unable to cope with the scary traumatic memories of being homeless. But rest assured I am dead serious about it. Serious enough that I was definitely planning to ctb, had I lost my only income source, my only life line; which sadly is SSDI benefits. A Government check.

I don't anticipate any SS members to rag on me about that. But feel free to do so, if you feel taxpayers should not be keeping my sorry ass alive. And I will promptly set your sorry ass straight. Just as I have done with numerous cops who busted my balls for being homeless and trespassing.

Some of you are also contemplating suicide for the same reason. You're out of $$$ and facing the streets. I hope that you don't, but I can understand why you feel death is your only way out of that hell.

And I want you to know, I am here, as an advocate and a friend, should you want that. I have never been driven so far as to live right on the street, like in a cardboard box under a bridge. I always had a vehicle, or tool shed, or tent in the woods to camp out in. I've never been in a shelter either. But I have a pretty good idea what shelters are like from what I have read. Not somewhere you or I would want to be, assuming they even have empty beds available in bitter cold winter.

Best I can offer anyone here, is share my basic survival skills tips, for living out of your vehicle or a tent in the woods. It is damn sure not easy, but it is doable, survivable. Maybe at least long enough for you to get back on your feet? Instead of giving up and ctb. Mind you I am not an expert on this. You can probably get better info on Youtube. But I'll share what I learned if you want.

Love and Best wishes for all.

I'm sorry you had to go through with that. I can only imagine the fear and horror. Even if you were never out on the street or under a bridge.

I don't think I would physically be on the street because I could always crash at a friends place, at least for a little while.

It is crazy that in the United States with all the money we have, that hundreds of thousands of people are living in tents or on cardboard boxes. It's perverse.

 

[Zzzzz]

This a topic I am passionate about, despite the fact I may sound like I don't take it seriously. If I do not sound serious, it's probably because I am drunk and unable to cope with the scary traumatic memories of being homeless. But rest assured I am dead serious about it. Serious enough that I was definitely planning to ctb, had I lost my only income source, my only life line; which sadly is SSDI benefits. A Government check.

I don't anticipate any SS members to rag on me about that. But feel free to do so, if you feel taxpayers should not be keeping my sorry ass alive. And I will promptly set your sorry ass straight. Just as I have done with numerous cops who busted my balls for being homeless and trespassing.

Some of you are also contemplating suicide for the same reason. You're out of $$$ and facing the streets. I hope that you don't, but I can understand why you feel death is your only way out of that hell.

And I want you to know, I am here, as an advocate and a friend, should you want that. I have never been driven so far as to live right on the street, like in a cardboard box under a bridge. I always had a vehicle, or tool shed, or tent in the woods to camp out in. I've never been in a shelter either. But I have a pretty good idea what shelters are like from what I have read. Not somewhere you or I would want to be, assuming they even have empty beds available in bitter cold winter.

Best I can offer anyone here, is share my basic survival skills tips, for living out of your vehicle or a tent in the woods. It is damn sure not easy, but it is doable, survivable. Maybe at least long enough for you to get back on your feet? Instead of giving up and ctb. Mind you I am not an expert on this. You can probably get better info on Youtube. But I'll share what I learned if you want.

Love and Best wishes for all.

I lived in 5 different homeless shelters throughout my life and 2 kind of transitional houses. Also lived in a tent for about a year. And for about 3 months slept on the ground. If someone has no money at all, it seems the shelter or streets is the only choice they have.

 

[Blue_mist]

The most happy people I have ever met are homeless people (of course not all of them are happy) . As i suffer from loneliness Sometimes i go downtown just to have a chat with them. If someone does not suffer from depression and has the ability to adapt, life will be always manageable, but if you have this mental cancer, life would be living hell even if you lived in a palace.i used to be terrified of Homelessness but not any more knowing that if i become homeless, all it takes is Smirnoff bottle and Canadian winter to drift off to death

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

The most happy people I have ever met are homeless people (of course not all of them are happy) . As i suffer from loneliness Sometimes i go downtown just to have a chat with them. If someone does not suffer from depression and has the ability to adapt, life will be always manageable, but if you have this mental cancer, life would be living hell even if you lived in a palace.i used to be terrified of Homelessness but not any more knowing that if i become homeless, all it takes is Smirnoff bottle and Canadian winter to drift off to death

Well, things Must be different up there… The homeless people here in California are totally miserable… I've talk to a lot of them and not a single one I've encountered is happy with their situation… I could imagine some hermits or wanderers somehow being satisfied with their lot… I just haven't met any yet… Vodka and a Canadian winter sounds like a very painful way to die, freezing to death…

 

[Blue_mist]

Well, things Must be different up there… The homeless people here in California are totally miserable… I've talk to a lot of them and not a single one I've encountered is happy with their situation… I could imagine some hermits or wanderers somehow being satisfied with their lot… I just haven't met any yet… Vodka and a Canadian winter sounds like a very painful way to die, freezing to death…

Hypothermia and alcohol is not painful at all. Alcohol gives false s sensation of warmth.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Hypothermia and alcohol is not painful at all. Alcohol gives false s sensation of warmth.

Well then maybe it should be added to the list of methods :-) I'm too much of a wimp myself…

 

[setup]

I prob could for a little while but who wants to stay homeless?

 

[bed]

I don't think I'd last long. I'd hope in that situation i'd have enough willpower to overcome SI and jump off a building.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

I don't think I'd last long. I'd hope in that situation i'd have enough willpower to overcome SI and jump off a building.

I'm sure that's what a lot of homeless people probably say… At first…

 

[bed]

I'm sure that's what a lot of homeless people probably say… At first…

yup, hopefully, I'll never have to be in that situation. I feel incredibly sorry for everyone that has to experience it.

 

[stygal]

Only with the proper (camping) equipment & somewhere I could hide away from the general public (forest area) but being homeless in a big city is my worst nightmare.

 

[intheweeds]

Maybe I am just being naive, but I think that I could. My biggest fear of being homeless wouldn't be finding a place to sleep, or finding something to eat, that can be figured out pretty easily if you live in a city (you'd be amazed at the amount of perfectly fine food that is thrown away).

My biggest fear would be other people. People are unpredictable, and you don't know what their intentions are.

 

[thinkkank]

no. I would find a way to end things if that happened. that would be rock bottom and there's no coming back from that, so might as well just end it. The best years are behind me.

 

[narval]

i wouldn't last long being homeless.
I live on borrowed and i'll can live like this for a time, but the possibility of being homeless is there so I have already thought about this. If i reach that point probably i'll die by starvation consciously if i can't rely in a fast method of CTB.

Meanwhile I'll take advantage of the situation to do something that I haven't done in years: buy several bottles of hard alcohol and drink like crazy until the end

 

[ClownMe]

Not a chance

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Maybe I am just being naive, but I think that I could. My biggest fear of being homeless wouldn't be finding a place to sleep, or finding something to eat, that can be figured out pretty easily if you live in a city (you'd be amazed at the amount of perfectly fine food that is thrown away).

My biggest fear would be other people. People are unpredictable, and you don't know what their intentions are.

Apparently if you're homeless, you are frequently robbed and attacked… good times

 

[motel rooms]

I sure as shit hope not.

 

[IsThisTheEnd?]

I wonder this a-lot and for me no I would never survive but I know people that would.

 

[Starryeyes]

I can't see a way out with a roof over my head let alone none

 

[Elegy]

Only with the proper (camping) equipment & somewhere I could hide away from the general public (forest area) but being homeless in a big city is my worst nightmare.

I want to say the woods are your best survival bet, because what others have said is very true. People are by far the greatest threat. Not snakes, spiders, or lions tiger and bears. In an urban environment, the odds of being robbed, raped, assaulted or murdered are pretty high.

Last time I became homeless, I was fortunate to own an old car. Had no heater or AC but it provided transportation and shelter from the storms. Of which there were many... and did include lightning electricity sparks shooting up off the pavement 5 feet from where I was standing. And gale force winds, monsoon rains, tornadoes (southeast US) and... one bitter cold night waterlogged trees froze up and were snapping like match sticks and crashing down all around me. In the morning, half that forest patch was leveled, and a fallen tree blocked the road out of the woods. I had to borrow a hand saw from a nearby shop owner to cut my way back out to the road.

Of course another big down side to camping out in the sticks is, you're all alone out there, presumably. If somebody attacks you in the woods, or anything else bad happens, you can't call out for help. Even if you have a phone, it might take emergency responders days to find you.

I survived that ordeal mainly because I found an old dirt road that led to an abandoned park on a lake shore. The lake gave me a way to wash myself and cool down in summer. It also provided meals on occasion. Catfish mostly. I ate the crap out of Channel cats when I had no other food supply. Maybe you're thinking... eiwww catfish are bottom feeders. Disgusting fish. Yeah well I guess I was a bottom feeder, eating another bottom feeder on the food chain.

But not raw at least. Like Gollum from LOTR or whatever. I procured a propane camping stove to cook the fish.

I don't why I'm posting this. I guess because I was on the brink of killing myself when I signed up on this forum. Because I'd rather be dead than go through that shit again. But also to say it is doable. Survivable, if you're in fairly good physical health. That hardest part for me to endure was the psychological / emotional aspect. Some of you may have seen the TV series 'Alone' or another wilderness survival show. Yes that stuff is staged... there are doctors, emergency rescue workers right behind the camera. But if little else, those shows do illustrate how hard it is to cope with isolation.

As for protection, I did have a big ass Bowie knife and a pistol. And eventually I got hired on at a lumber yard. Shitty low paying part time position, but, the company owner was a good ol' boy. He offered me a tool shed out back behind his shop. Had electricity and running water. No water heater though, so I bought a 2 gallon plug-in tank at a hardware store, and with a bit of ingenuity, some copper piping, a garden hose and a large plastic bin, I constructed a shower/tub.

Photo attached is the shed I called home for a long time. It wasn't much, but was way better than the woods.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

I want to say the woods are your best survival bet, because what others have said is very true. People are by far the greatest threat. Not snakes, spiders, or lions tiger and bears. In an urban environment, the odds of being robbed, raped, assaulted or murdered are pretty high.

Last time I became homeless, I was fortunate to own an old car. Had no heater or AC but it provided transportation and shelter from the storms. Of which there were many... and did include lightning electricity sparks shooting up off the pavement 5 feet from where I was standing. And gale force winds, monsoon rains, tornadoes (southeast US) and... one bitter cold night waterlogged trees froze up and were snapping like match sticks and crashing down all around me. In the morning, half that forest patch was leveled, and a fallen tree blocked the road out of the woods. I had to borrow a hand saw from a nearby shop owner to cut my way back out to the road.

Of course another big down side to camping out in the sticks is, you're all alone out there, presumably. If somebody attacks you in the woods, or anything else bad happens, you can't call out for help. Even if you have a phone, it might take emergency responders days to find you.

I survived that ordeal mainly because I found an old dirt road that led to an abandoned park on a lake shore. The lake gave me a way to wash myself and cool down in summer. It also provided meals on occasion. Catfish mostly. I ate the crap out of Channel cats when I had no other food supply. Maybe you're thinking... eiwww catfish are bottom feeders. Disgusting fish. Yeah well I guess I was a bottom feeder, eating another bottom feeder on the food chain.

But not raw at least. Like Gollum from LOTR or whatever. I procured a propane camping stove to cook the fish.

I don't why I'm posting this. I guess because I was on the brink of killing myself when I signed up on this forum. Because I'd rather be dead than go through that shit again. But also to say it is doable. Survivable, if you're in fairly good physical health. That hardest part for me to endure was the psychological / emotional aspect. Some of you may have seen the TV series 'Alone' or another wilderness survival show. Yes that stuff is staged... there are doctors, emergency rescue workers right behind the camera. But if little else, those shows do illustrate how hard it is to cope with isolation.

As for protection, I did have a big ass Bowie knife and a pistol. And eventually I got hired on at a lumber yard. Shitty low paying part time position, but, the company owner was a good ol' boy. He offered me a tool shed out back behind his shop. Had electricity and running water. No water heater though, so I bought a 2 gallon plug-in tank at a hardware store, and with a bit of ingenuity, some copper piping, a garden hose and a large plastic bin, I constructed a shower/tub.

Photo attached is the shed I called home for a long time. It wasn't much, but was way better than the woods.

That's an amazing story. You have tremendous resilience and fortitude.

 

[Deleted member 32964]

The way things are going, I will eventually be homeless but since I can barely get out of bed I can't imagine surviving as a homeless person. It actually requires a tremendous amount of work to find a relatively safe place to sleep, and scrounge for food, and avoid getting robbed or beaten up.

it's not bad (tho it is bad).

I have been homeless and intetionally stayed that was. I have been a DV survivor and stalked. I saved about 37,000$ (USD) fearing males preying on vulnerable women. I worked, was comfortable at a great, SUPPORTIVE shelter.

I have no family. None. Very selfish, will not support with a $5 bill, even if I am starving. Being safrly shrltered while allowed to pursue my own goals brought peace to me. The downside is that most shelters are religious. I looked hard for one that wasn't as I have an extreme aversion and react with a VERY SEVERE MENTAL ALLERGY.

Not homeless, at home, unemployed is worse. I self harm compulsively and am obviously a threat to myself. I am considering doing it again.

Any info thst might help ypu, let me know. It isn't as bad as it sounds. There is a silver lining to the cloud
To be honest, homelessness can be a nice change from a brutal home environment.

I was able to work FT, save money, grew to like some around me and eventually my shelter felt better than home. We (at shelter) were our own chaotic, dysfuntional family). I also learned volunteering, helped disabled homeless obtain power chairs, orgs get free medical equipment for the poor. Able to use a gym, hike, 2 vacations.

Enrolled in school.

Yea had two good jobs then suddenly, due to mental illness, a seamless transition into homelessness earlier this year. I was similar to the schizophrenic dude you mentioned on this thread; just found myself homeless one day and tbh thought it was all part of the "conspiracy" against me. Only reason I had the energy for it was because I was actively manic and psychotic and thought it was for a greater purpose or something. I have NO CLUE how so many live that lifestyle in urban areas; if you could squat on a plot of land or something it'd make sense, but living in filth under a bridge or in a downtown area where anyone can rob or assault or kill you at any moment is NOT for me. I was robbed multiple times, spat on, had vegetable oil thrown at me, all my valuables were stolen. Was followed on more than one occasion, cops harrased me. I am fortunately staying with my dad again and helping him at his house in his twilight years, and no longer actively psychotic, but if I ever end up close to homeless again I will yeet myself in a heartbeat.

I have one final shot to attain stability and get my career back on track, and I am embracing it mainly for my dad's sake. I guess a silver lining is that now having food and sleeping safely indoors feels like absolute *royalty*, so, there's that...it's made the few smiles I have anymore mean a lot, and I have a new understanding of both how strong the homeless are for trudging forward as well as how awful society is for letting humans live that way in wealthy countries in 2021. Absolutely awful and once you get to that stage where you're filthy without an address, getting a job takes a real community effort and a MASSIVE amount of luck, even for the most piss-poor jobs. Fact is, we have simply too many people in most countries, and the competition in the world is a reflection of that. Some people have to end up on the bottom for others to end up at the top. If the government was serious about addressing homelessness, they'd figure it out pretty quickly IMO-even having really, really small homes, like tiny homes or Hong Kong cage style housing (goshiwon style) would be more than adequate, but I truly believe (as I saw someone else mention in a thread recently) that the government keeps the homeless around at the level they're at to scare people into sticking to the wage slave grind. If you become homeless, the government does not care about you, other people do not care about you, family does not care about you, that's just reality. There are obviously a FEW exceptions to these thoughts but they are really, really rare.

The main way to survive homelessness is get fucked up all the time for sure. Ya better be sure if I wasn't gonna CTB but had to be homeless I'd become an addict on some SERIOUS shit, REAL fast. Anyway, OP, hope you don't end up having to go that route and something else pops up for you, as well as for the others on this thread who are in similar situations.

yeah.. homelessness is a city of its own here in Seattle. No way out. Got to help get homeless ppl medical equipment, power chairs, helped source equipment for non-profits (free). Personslly, I would never likr to see a shelter again but I am sinking.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

it's not bad (tho it is bad).

I have been homeless and intetionally stayed that was. I have been a DV survivor and stalked. I saved about 37,000$ (USD) fearing males preying on vulnerable women. I worked, was comfortable at a great, SUPPORTIVE shelter.

I have no family. None. Very selfish, will not support with a $5 bill, even if I am starving. Being safrly shrltered while allowed to pursue my own goals brought peace to me. The downside is that most shelters are religious. I looked hard for one that wasn't as I have an extreme aversion and react with a VERY SEVERE MENTAL ALLERGY.

Not homeless, at home, unemployed is worse. I self harm compulsively and am obviously a threat to myself. I am considering doing it again.

Any info thst might help ypu, let me know. It isn't as bad as it sounds. There is a silver lining to the cloud
To be honest, homelessness can be a nice change from a brutal home environment.

I was able to work FT, save money, grew to like some around me and eventually my shelter felt better than home. We (at shelter) were our own chaotic, dysfuntional family). I also learned volunteering, helped disabled homeless obtain power chairs, orgs get free medical equipment for the poor. Able to use a gym, hike, 2 vacations.

Enrolled in school.

yeah.. homelessness is a city of its own here in Seattle. No way out. Got to help get homeless ppl medical equipment, power chairs, helped source equipment for non-profits (free). Personslly, I would never likr to see a shelter again but I am sinking.

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Thanks for sharing your experience… And for offering help… Seems like you really made the best of it… And you were kind to offer your services to others…

 

[Deleted member 32964]

Thanks for sharing your experience… And for offering help… Seems like you really made the best of it… And you were kind to offer your services to others…

they love mobility!! love those power chairs!!

Only with the proper (camping) equipment & somewhere I could hide away from the general public (forest area) but being homeless in a big city is my worst nightmare.

please contact a shelter snd find support. in many cities, there is a number like 211 you can call for resources. please be careful. it is much more dsngerous for women to be outside or vulnerable (rape, kidnap, etc). the men will harm you. status isn't important. they are PREDATORS. Please find support, I would help you if i were aware of where you are (direct to safety). please don't sleep under the sky. i have done it (hypervigilant). very dangerous.

 

[Deleted member 32964]

Lol fuck 211. You wanna do a conference call with me? Let's dial 211 together, and record what they say.

They always send me documents with up-to-date info regarding shelter. They tried to put me into a hotel during covid. I couldn't handle it. Free HOTEL for months and months. I couldn't handle the swarming bums approaching me and got into a taxi feeling that the living dead (zombies) were going to chew me up. They tried to give me a room with ANOTHER strange person. They mean well, the system isn't at all perfect but they mean well. They're only there to do a job. They don't know everything and have such low funding (homeless shelters) that they can't help everybody simultaneously.

About the above: I got into a taxi and got my own motel and have lived indepedently in an apartment or 2 during the last 1.5 years. I did learn a lot while homeless and opted to stay that way for my longevity, my savings, my mental health and benefitted from homelessness and safety from men a LOT.

Lol fuck 211. You wanna do a conference call with me? Let's dial 211 together, and record what they say. It'll be FUN, I promise.
I dialed 211 when I was homeless. I wanted to get into a a shelter because outside temps dropped subzero. Here's how that convo went...

What area do you live in? There is hope. You just need to be resourceful. I want to leave my apartment for a shelter (I've been housed in it for a year, another place for about 6 months) to save my money back that i've wasted during this time of education, unemployment and suicidal binge drinking. I'd like to go back as my mental health has deteriorated. You just have to find a GOOD shelter. There are good shelters out there. Sometimes you have to dig around.

 

[Elegy]

I dialed 211 for a shelter bed once, when temps dropped below zero and here's what the bitch said:

"Do you have an income source?"
"Yes, I receive SSDI"
"For what?"
"For mental illness"

And she said:
"Oh. Well. I suppose anyone might be considered mentally ill, including me, and I don't get disability benefits".

Really. Really You did NOT just fucking say that shit to me.
Oh but She DID say that fuckin shit to me.
That 211 operator was so hateful and nasty I hung up and decided I'd rather die in the cold than talk to her.
But go ahead and dial 211. Maybe you'll have better luck getting help than I did.

Also here is my advice. When you call 211, pretend to be a non-white male. ;)
That, might get your foot in the door.
I dunno. Try to sound female. Or a person of color.
Then maybe they'll care.

 

[Deleted member 32964]

They always send me documents with up-to-date info regarding shelter. They tried to put me into a hotel during covid. I couldn't handle it. Free HOTEL for months and months. I couldn't handle the swarming bums approaching me and got into a taxi feeling that the living dead (zombies) were going to chew me up. They tried to give me a room with ANOTHER strange person. They mean well, the system isn't at all perfect but they mean well. They're only there to do a job. They don't know everything and have such low funding (homeless shelters) that they can't help everybody simultaneously.

About the above: I got into a taxi and got my own motel and have lived indepedently in an apartment or 2 during the last 1.5 years. I did learn a lot while homeless and opted to stay that way for my longevity, my savings, my mental health and benefitted from homelessness and safety from men a LOT.

What area do you live in? There is hope. You just need to be resourceful. I want to leave my apartment for a shelter (I've been housed in it for a year, another place for about 6 months) to save my money back that i've wasted during this time of education, unemployment and suicidal binge drinking. I'd like to go back as my mental health has deteriorated. You just have to find a GOOD shelter. There are good shelters out there. Sometimes you have to dig around.

In my last shelter, I was permitted to work 7 days a week. I saved up around 37,000 $ and worked a professional job at the IRS and on weekends at Whole Foods (where I partied and ate cookie dough and cheesecake scraps). I felt content, safe. I was on good terms with the workers there. They know about my struggles and supported my growth. They let me come in from work late, work out at a gym. You'd never have known I was homeless, except for the ugly backpack I wore stuffed with gym clothes, nigh-time prep clothes, swimsuits, etc. that I kept in my locker at 24 hour fitness between work and the path home. I was very fortunate to have found a nice shelter. They let me smoke in the backyard. We were not controlled in the slightest.

I'd recommend coming to Seattle for sheltering - if it's difficult to find safety in your area, you may leave for another state. I could at least give you information in regards to what helped me a lot. I love my shelter. Though I was ripped off, cursed at, nagged by irritable you-know-who put down, shamed, ridiculed, told my nose is too big, called ugly, screamed at, had to watch crazy people having daymares and talking to god, it was helpful to me, ultimately. I preferred being homeless to being housed on my own where I began to self-harm and drink again and my mental health, physical health and well-being have slidden back.

I understand that we all need our own kind of space. My fear of churches (I LOATHE THEM and go into PANIC mode and curse and throw feminist gestures around and act like an ass) caused me to get thrown out. I had problems adapting to other religions, skin types and there is always an undercurrent of war on women with a bible at her temple. I found peace at DESC (non-religious - "medical" type shelter). There are some truly f*d up people there who don't even know who they are but it's always nicer to come home to that then it is to an abusive, religious man. I'm sorry if i've offended you and know that finding safety in shelter is not always peaches and cream.

Good luck to you.