Discussion Could you survive homeless?

[Fadeawaaaay]

The way things are going, I will eventually be homeless but since I can barely get out of bed I can't imagine surviving as a homeless person. It actually requires a tremendous amount of work to find a relatively safe place to sleep, and scrounge for food, and avoid getting robbed or beaten up.

 

[canna2]

I'd kill myself the moment i was homeless. fu ck that

how low standards do you have of a life? srsly

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

I'd kill myself the moment i was homeless. fu ck that

how low standards do you have of a life? srsly

Well of course. You say that. But there's hundreds of thousands of these people living on the streets only a couple blocks from where I am.
And many of them have attempted suicide. But you are well aware of the statistics I'm sure. The rate of failure. I'm sure a lot of those people on the streets never thought it would happen to them or that they would kill them selves before it ever did. But here they are. Horrifying.

 

[canna2]

Well of course. You say that. But there's hundreds of thousands of these people living on the streets only a couple blocks from where I am.
And many of them have attempted suicide. But you are well aware of the statistics I'm sure. The rate of failure. I'm sure a lot of those people on the streets never thought it would happen to them or that they would kill them selves before it ever did. But here they are. Horrifying.

Those people you see are afraid of dying. Thats their problem. And maybe they are too stupid to find a way to do it.

Also, they dont understand that the little hope they have left is fooling them.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Those people you see are afraid of dying. Thats their problem. And maybe they are too stupid to find a way to do it.

Also, they dont understand that the little hope they have left is fooling them.

They have adapted.

 

[canna2]

They have adapted.

Did I say they havent?

They have adapted to a shitty life, yes. How is that an achievment?

Biology / cells / microorganisms adapts to the enviroment. It's nothing new.

Humans are bacteria on a macro level.

So they adapt like everything else.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Did I say they havent?

They have adapted to a shitty life, yes. How is that an achievment?

None at all

 

[canna2]

None at all

You can always go out and try being homeless now and test to see how you do. At least now you got a safe net to fall back on if things go sideways.

 

[stellabelle]

The way things are going, I will eventually be homeless but since I can barely get out of bed I can't imagine surviving as a homeless person. It actually requires a tremendous amount of work to find a relatively safe place to sleep, and scrounge for food, and avoid getting robbed or beaten up.

Yes, and the problem is also the hatred for people who don't have a safe place to go.

In the street, it might even be BETTER/SAFER than having certain roommates our living in a house shared by bad people.

I've been "place to place" several times and sexually assaulted more than I care to even talk about.

To the point that being in public felt safer than being in spaces with liars or thieves or people who abuse or demand sex.


You get "off the street" only to be viciously attacked by the next person. And then the next person. And then the next person.

And then maybe you are not physically attacked in the manner you were before, but you're being pushed in ways that you don't like and people don't respect that boundary.

They continue to pester and deprive you of sleep, deprive you of autonomy, pester you for attention, push push pushing their way into your space. You feel a rage begin to boil over because of the same invasive fucking bullshit. And then you walk away.

You walk away, they steal, they lie, they try to force THEIR "opinion" or whatever on you when you've said NO.

The worst part about it is that people KNOW that NO means NO and STOP means STOP. People will STOP at a STOP sign but they will NOT STOP when verbally told to stop, or even in writing.

We have a society that BLAMES a victim instead of an assailant. And then when a victim becomes an assailant, they blame them again.

People IGNORE what is occurring or what has occurred, rather than help SOLVE it.

We tell people to SOLVE it themselves.

It's "solved" for a little while and then problems begin to occur again.

Arrogance. Persistence.

People are resilient but can only "handle" or "deal with" so much.

People "get lucky" enough to have "help" from time to time but it's seemingly challenge after challenge and bad situation to bad situation.

Bad roommate to bad roommate.

Bad spouse to bad spouse.

 

[canna2]

Yes, but the problem is the hatred for people who don't have a safe place to go.

I've been "place to place" several times and sexually assaulted more than I care to even talk about.

To the point that being in public felt safer than being in spaces with liars or people who abuse or demand sex.

You get "off the street" only to be viciously attacked by the next person. And then the next person. And then the next person.

And then maybe you are not physically attacked in the manner you were before, but you're being pushed in ways that you don't like and people don't respect that boundary.

They continue to pester and deprive you of sleep, deprive you of autonomy, pester you for attention, push push pushing their way into your space. You feel a rage begin to boil over because of the same invasive fucking bullshit. And then you walk away.

You walk away, they steal, they lie, they try to force THEIR "opinion" or whatever on you when you've said NO.

The worst part about it is that people KNOW that NO means NO and STOP means STOP. People will STOP at a STOP sign but they will NOT STOP when verbally told to stop, or even in writing.

We have a society that BLAMES a victim instead of an assailant. And then when a victim becomes an assailant, they blame them again.

People IGNORE what is occurring or what has occurred, rather than help SOLVE it.

We tell people to SOLVE it themselves.

It's "solved" for a little while and then problems begin to occur again.

Arrogance. Persistence.

People are resilient but can only "handle" or "deal with" so much.

Seems like you dont understand what this life is about or even what people are in truth.

 

[stellabelle]

Seems like you dont understand what this life is about or even what people are in truth.

Life is about the journey.

Unfortunately some people have more turbulent lives than others.

People and what they are in truth?

People are toxic, people are selfish, people are reckless, people are damaged, people are fucked up.

Instead of camaraderie, we have more of a "stomp over everyone" type of existence.

In some homeless communities, or communities who struggle people DO help one another as much as they can.

In others, they are just takers.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

You can always go out and try being homeless now and test to see how you do. At least now you got a safe net to fall back on if things go sideways.

Good god no thanks - Cannot imagine anything worse

Life is about the journey.

Unfortunately some people have more turbulent lives than others.

People and what they are in truth?

People are toxic, people are selfish, people are reckless, people are damaged, people are fucked up.

Instead of camaraderie, we have more of a "stomp over everyone" type of existence.

In some homeless communities, or communities who struggle people DO help one another as much as they can.

In others, they are just takers.

There's all sorts of different kinds of people and communities… Among rich and among poor…

 

[Enigmatic Sailor]

I would find a run down trailer/camper/shack in the woods that has vines covering it and break in and stay there for the time being. I know of a few near me. Homelessness scares me and the nights freak me out the most. Carrying a gun on me would make me feel more safe in that situation. Would be an adventure, but a nightmare adventure, an adventure none the less.

 

[FuneralCry]

No, I know I would find a way to ctb instantly. I would be desperate enough to overcome the SI. I would refuse to live such a low quality life. It really is a nightmare being alive as there is no limit as to how horrible things can get. I am also too weak to cope with stressful situations, I am not suited for this life at all, so I would not even last one day.

 

[Lupgevif]

I'd lay on the tracks on the first night.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

I would find a run down trailer/camper/shack in the woods that has vines covering it and break in and stay there for the time being. I know of a few near me. Homelessness scares me and the nights freak me out the most. Carrying a gun on me would make me feel more safe in that situation. Would be an adventure, but a nightmare adventure, an adventure none the less.

Well, that's basically just camping out for the night.
Homelessness is a horrible ongoing way of life. And one that I hope neither of us ever has to face…
About a month ago when I was even more out of my mind and certain that I was going to be homeless quite soon, I would strike up conversations with these people… It was actually quite eye-opening. Most who I talk to we're not drug addicted or crazy.
One couple had lost a house in New Orleans during the hurricane.
Another guy had gone through a schizophrenic episode but was now on medication…
Many people are just a paycheck or two, or a psychological collapse away from losing everything… There's an army of those people out there and it's only going to get much larger as things continue to fall apart…

 

[Insomniac]

The way things are going, I will eventually be homeless but since I can barely get out of bed I can't imagine surviving as a homeless person. It actually requires a tremendous amount of work to find a relatively safe place to sleep, and scrounge for food, and avoid getting robbed or beaten up.

Do you live with your parents rn?

 

[Insomniac]

Well of course. You say that. But there's hundreds of thousands of these people living on the streets only a couple blocks from where I am.
And many of them have attempted suicide. But you are well aware of the statistics I'm sure. The rate of failure. I'm sure a lot of those people on the streets never thought it would happen to them or that they would kill them selves before it ever did. But here they are. Horrifying.

They are too attached to life and drugs. That's why. They could easily get a rope and find a tree somewhere deep in a forest or overdose, they just lack dignity.

I'm killing myself tonight simply because there is a possibility of me going homeless 5years from now. Just the mere possibility is enough for me to end it.

 

[stellabelle]

They are too attached to life and drugs. That's why. They could easily get a rope and find a tree somewhere deep in a forest or overdose, they just lack dignity.

I'm killing myself tonight simply because there is a possibility of me going homeless 5years from now. Just the mere possibility is enough for me to end it.

Lacking dignity would be hanging from a tree with a rope.

I don't believe people are too attached to life and drugs to let go, I believe that they are too upset and fucked up by life that they have turned to drugs in an attempt to escape physical or emotional turmoil that lead to using.

Maybe using was seen as "fun" in the beginning and then spiraled out of control. Maybe it was seen as "social" or "normal", although it isn't.

Maybe some "used" because they were accused of using when they weren't, so they thought, might as well do it anyway.

I think the problem is that people want to create bad examples of people, or problems in people, or get people to make themselves a bad example because they continued to be a "good example" and were pushed into becoming a "bad example" instead.

Some people will be good examples of bad examples.

 

[Dystopia]

Definitely not, I'd either go jump off beachy head or find enough heroin to OD on or full hang in combo

 

[Elegy]

I've been homeless 5 times. Up to 2 years straight. Lived out of cars, trucks, tool sheds and tents in the woods...
It's doable if you're young and strong. In good health.
I'm not, anymore.
I was, but I'm not anymore. I'm 58 not 15
and I suppose the larger question at hand is

Why is proper shelter NOT a Human Right?
Instead, a roof over our heads, is considered... a Privilege. Not a Human Right.
And that is because.....
the ground we are standing on belongs to somebody else.
Somebody who got there before us, and bought up the land.
Now we gotta pay through the nose to squat on that spot.
Tell me, do birds pay a Treelord to nest?
No of course not. And neither should humans pay for our nests.
Animals have more rights than humans these days
Case in point: a wild turkey living on the same ground as I am, is a protected animal.
By Law, it can not be forcefully removed or killed.
But not ME. By Law, I can be forcefully removed from the property.
Somehow, a turkey became more important than me.
and the dude is strutting around with a fuck you attitude.
I can't even take a walk without him pecking at me
following me around like I don't belong on HIS turf.
Pecking Order you say?
Big as an Ostrich and twice as mean.
BRB Hold my beer while i kick Tom turkey's ass

 

[Insomniac]

Lacking dignity would be hanging from a tree with a rope.

I don't believe people are too attached to life and drugs to let go, I believe that they are too upset and fucked up by life that they have turned to drugs in an attempt to escape physical or emotional turmoil that lead to using.

Maybe using was seen as "fun" in the beginning and then spiraled out of control. Maybe it was seen as "social" or "normal", although it isn't.

Maybe some "used" because they were accused of using when they weren't, so they thought, might as well do it anyway.

I think the problem is that people want to create bad examples of people, or problems in people, or get people to make themselves a bad example because they continued to be a "good example" and were pushed into becoming a "bad example" instead.

Some people will be good examples of bad examples.

I wasn't trying to be offensive. Sorry.

btw what do you mean when you say that lacking dignity would be hanging from a tree with a rope? Because he'd be exposed to the public?

 

[stellabelle]

I wasn't trying to be offensive. Sorry.

btw what do you mean when you say that lacking dignity would be hanging from a tree with a rope?

You didn't offend me at all.
I apologize if it seemed like I came across that way.

That's what makes "text" difficult to interpret. Sometimes people misinterpret something where there was no intent.

I don't believe a public display of death such as hanging oneself from a tree with a rope is "dignified."

In fact, I think it's potentially humiliating, shameful, gory, and traumatizing to the victim and whoever may discover or witness the process or the aftermath.

It's even worse when sadists "enjoy the view."
Like these social media broadcasts of death or murder or violence, and the audiences that find it appealing.

I think "dignified" would be safe, clean, peaceful exits.

We "put down" hurt or injured animals but refuse to do the same for people or allow that type of service to be available to people by choice.

 

[rationaltake]

I would not survive homelessness. My current housing situation is squalid mean and nasty. But being homeless is tough and vicious. And it is so easy to become homeless. @Glovkenspiel I'm sorry you're in this position. I can barely get out of bed either.

 

[Elegy]

Back. Turkey not there or is hiding out in the weeds scared of me. I am disappointed but, I almost petted a horse through the fence. He came very close to getting a hug. I have never hugged a horse, but has been on my bucket list

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

They are too attached to life and drugs. That's why. They could easily get a rope and find a tree somewhere deep in a forest or overdose, they just lack dignity.

I'm killing myself tonight simply because there is a possibility of me going homeless 5years from now. Just the mere possibility is enough for me to end it.

I'm not exactly sure why most of them continue on with their lives… I could ask him a few more questions and get to the bottom of it…

 

[Elegy]

I'm not exactly sure why most of them continue on with their lives… I could ask him a few more questions and get to the bottom of it

Yes. Get out there on the streets and ask the homeless why they don't kill themselves

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Yes. Get out there on the streets and ask the homeless why they don't kill themselves

Haha … I'm a little more diplomatic about it :-)

 

[NormaJeane]

My relatives think that humans can get used to everything, even homelessness, but people who are rich, healthy and never have suffered do not understand or maybe they are stupid. Knowing that I will be homeless tomorrow will motivate me to commit suicide, but I must also have a method that works and be prepared for it.

 

[Butterflyfree]

Those people you see are afraid of dying. Thats their problem. And maybe they are too stupid to find a way to do it.

Also, they dont understand that the little hope they have left is fooling them.

Please ignore Canna2 it's just a troll.