Hello all,
I actually originally posted this as a reply to another thread but it occurs to me that some of these threads are dropped rather quickly and I wanted to be sure it is seen as it may help some folks understand.
So I work for a company that sells SN. We sell all sorts of organic chemicals for a variety of purposes. I wanted to post some context so everyone understands why SN has become difficult to purchase suddenly.
There are NO regulations barring us from selling SN to anyone we chose. The issue here, as many have touched upon, is one of PR. The company I work for is privately owned and most of the decision makers, like myself, are 100% pro-choice. How you chose to live or die, or when you chose to do these things, are no business of mine or anyone else's for that matter. The problem I personally face is, I am responsible for 3 dozen peoples livelihood. Keeping the doors open to this place is what I do and I take this seriously because the employees I'm responsible for, have to support themselves and their families. So, on to why we changed our policy.
Once the media began posting about the issue of SN being involved in suicide, we began getting hate (not exclusively "hate", some were pleading for us to take it down completely because it, "has no known uses other than killing kids" as if that were true, but the majority was) mail from family members. If they remotely found our name among the CC receipts of the person who passed, we got emailed. They ask, "How can you sell dangerous chemicals to underage kids!?!?", knowing full well that these "kids" they refer to, used Mom's/Dad's credit card to buy it. I have no way of knowing that, since fraud detection catches fraud, not authorized use to purchase unauthorized items. In this we expressed sympathy but held fast to the fact you should be free to purchase whatever we offer for whatever use doesn't physically harm someone else. Anyway, shortly after these emails, came lawyers. Dozens and dozens of lawyers. All claiming to represent one family or another, claiming we're liable for wrongful death because we didn't regulate and unregulated item. Again, we held fast. Recently, we heard from several members of congress, via email, certified letter and phone calls. We were asked to explain our policy and why, after knowing what it can be used for, we haven't placed tighter restrictions on purchase? This, is what forced our hand. I have to protect the people I'm responsible for and the owner agreed. We changed the policy.
I know that many of you suffer far more in your current state than you might otherwise, if given the choice (or means), to do what it is you intend to do. I'm sorry for that. I think it's barbaric that someone should be forced to live in pain because it makes other people, who know nothing of what you may endure second after second, day after day, feel like they did their good deed. I hope you can understand that these choices are not made out of some desire to make anyone's life any more difficult than it already is. If that is the result, again, I'm very sorry.
Know this though, with enough research and a bit of money, there is no US regulation against buying SN. That means you can order it from outside the US with no need to fear it will be stopped in the mail. Your reason for needing it is curing meat. No one can say otherwise. Curing Salt can be purchased in any grocery store and it's 6-15% pure SN. The chemists among you could get what you need from that alone. If it were regulated, this stuff would be behind the counter like Sudafed is now, after the meth users figured out how to make it into meth. Unfortunately, without a MUCH larger investment than just ordering it outside the US, you won't be able to beat our system as I have seen a few post state they would do. If you can, good on ya! It's not like we want to prevent people from buying it so, bravo. Also, on a side note I have seen quite a few ask about the shelf life of SN. It is printed as 3 years. However, if you do not leave it open for long periods and/or open it everyday, it oxidizes very slowly. Many Chemists I'm aware of use the same container they bought 30 years ago with no loss in efficacy. Meaning, store it below 70F in a dry place and open only when necessary and it will last you effectively the rest of however long you need it.
Anyway, I wish all of you the best, wherever that may lead you.
I actually originally posted this as a reply to another thread but it occurs to me that some of these threads are dropped rather quickly and I wanted to be sure it is seen as it may help some folks understand.
So I work for a company that sells SN. We sell all sorts of organic chemicals for a variety of purposes. I wanted to post some context so everyone understands why SN has become difficult to purchase suddenly.
There are NO regulations barring us from selling SN to anyone we chose. The issue here, as many have touched upon, is one of PR. The company I work for is privately owned and most of the decision makers, like myself, are 100% pro-choice. How you chose to live or die, or when you chose to do these things, are no business of mine or anyone else's for that matter. The problem I personally face is, I am responsible for 3 dozen peoples livelihood. Keeping the doors open to this place is what I do and I take this seriously because the employees I'm responsible for, have to support themselves and their families. So, on to why we changed our policy.
Once the media began posting about the issue of SN being involved in suicide, we began getting hate (not exclusively "hate", some were pleading for us to take it down completely because it, "has no known uses other than killing kids" as if that were true, but the majority was) mail from family members. If they remotely found our name among the CC receipts of the person who passed, we got emailed. They ask, "How can you sell dangerous chemicals to underage kids!?!?", knowing full well that these "kids" they refer to, used Mom's/Dad's credit card to buy it. I have no way of knowing that, since fraud detection catches fraud, not authorized use to purchase unauthorized items. In this we expressed sympathy but held fast to the fact you should be free to purchase whatever we offer for whatever use doesn't physically harm someone else. Anyway, shortly after these emails, came lawyers. Dozens and dozens of lawyers. All claiming to represent one family or another, claiming we're liable for wrongful death because we didn't regulate and unregulated item. Again, we held fast. Recently, we heard from several members of congress, via email, certified letter and phone calls. We were asked to explain our policy and why, after knowing what it can be used for, we haven't placed tighter restrictions on purchase? This, is what forced our hand. I have to protect the people I'm responsible for and the owner agreed. We changed the policy.
I know that many of you suffer far more in your current state than you might otherwise, if given the choice (or means), to do what it is you intend to do. I'm sorry for that. I think it's barbaric that someone should be forced to live in pain because it makes other people, who know nothing of what you may endure second after second, day after day, feel like they did their good deed. I hope you can understand that these choices are not made out of some desire to make anyone's life any more difficult than it already is. If that is the result, again, I'm very sorry.
Know this though, with enough research and a bit of money, there is no US regulation against buying SN. That means you can order it from outside the US with no need to fear it will be stopped in the mail. Your reason for needing it is curing meat. No one can say otherwise. Curing Salt can be purchased in any grocery store and it's 6-15% pure SN. The chemists among you could get what you need from that alone. If it were regulated, this stuff would be behind the counter like Sudafed is now, after the meth users figured out how to make it into meth. Unfortunately, without a MUCH larger investment than just ordering it outside the US, you won't be able to beat our system as I have seen a few post state they would do. If you can, good on ya! It's not like we want to prevent people from buying it so, bravo. Also, on a side note I have seen quite a few ask about the shelf life of SN. It is printed as 3 years. However, if you do not leave it open for long periods and/or open it everyday, it oxidizes very slowly. Many Chemists I'm aware of use the same container they bought 30 years ago with no loss in efficacy. Meaning, store it below 70F in a dry place and open only when necessary and it will last you effectively the rest of however long you need it.
Anyway, I wish all of you the best, wherever that may lead you.
