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I want to make sure that this letter will not be abused in any way and I want it to represent the feelings of myself and our community well. I will let this simmer and send it within the next few days. If you have a letter you are writing to her or your representatives, put it in this thread so we can check it, too. I'm sure none of us don't want anything we say to be abused or taken the wrong way.


Dear Congresswoman Lori Trahan,

Please reconsider supporting the Stop Online Suicide Assistance Forums Act. I know I am one of many who will try to persuade you, but I hope my message can at least resonate with you.

First and foremost I DO NOT give you permission to share my message to any media/journalist outlets, reasons for that will come later. I do not wish to start any conflict, nor am I currently planning on harming myself or others. I give you my word.

I am 20 years old, and I am currently studying psychology in university in hopes of becoming a counselor. I want to help others so they can have proper support and guidance where I didn't and so that they won't repeat the same mistakes I made. However, I also have no real ongoing drive to accomplish this goal, I simply just "exist". I lost someone special to me. I have been suicidal and severely depressed for years.

I came across Sanctioned Suicide when it was covered on the New York Times. I started using it not just out of curiosity to observe what was going on as I enjoy seeing communities that welcome the freedom of taboo speech, but it was also because it was a community of people who had similar feelings as me, despite our many different experiences. What I found was not just another toxic, malicious community alike to Kiwi Farms that people like the average person would see, but instead a community of people all suffering together.

Each person has their own stories and reasons for why they got to the place they are. People with terminal illnesses, people who have been mistreated their whole lives or already destroyed their lives, people who were given bad cards from the very start.

These people have no places or people to turn to for help, especially professionals as it becomes a dangerous and taboo topic in therapy. If I want to speak my mind to a therapist, I get sent to a psych-ward against my will when I do not want that kind of help. I have been in the system, a great number of the forum members have been in the system in some way. Do you want to call the suicide hotline? Get ready to talk to an emotionally insensitive volunteer with a binder of "resources" who will not get you anywhere in the slightest.

The conditions in psych-wards are horrible, and the modern mental health system does not do anything to truly help people turn their lives around. They simply just shove pills down our throats, restrict us to a zoo akin to prison conditions and preach generic bullshit that won't ever help anyone. They don't understand us at all, no matter what their intentions are or where those intentions come from. As someone who has been in the system, and is going to work in therapy, I am disgusted at the state of what current mental health treatment is.

Other current mental health awareness contributions from companies or people are all just the same. Let's look at Amazon for example, certainly their mindful wellness box is effective for their wage-slave workers who were forced to work an unfulfilling, dead-end job. I can see that all you want is for people to keep living for the sake of it. Nothing is done to change their circumstances, all it is is just a happy distraction from living a miserable life with no real fulfillment or hope left.

By the way, I also dislike Canada's approach. It is opposite to yours in encouraging medically assisted death. Hospitals have actively encouraged patients to die, especially those who do not have any interest in the first place. It is sad when society leads people to those options because people's lives are legitimately fucked.

Contrary to what you may think, being able to have a place to share grievances and experiences and to be able to support one another when we actually want support is more helpful than anything a therapist can provide. We can help each other to know that sure, life ain't great, but at least we can stay a little bit longer and suffer together, and if we truly cannot handle it, we can leave. This community is more caring and open than any mainstream social media platforms out there.

Taking this away from people like us won't change anything. Taking away methods won't change anything. People who have no hope in themselves will still suffer for longer under a society that really doesn't care about them, and that they never belonged in the first place. If they die, at least they do so on their own terms. A vast majority of those who have died do it efficiently and safely as possible to not impede on anyone else. It takes months and even years of preparation and research until the day when someone finally gets the courage to "catch the bus" as we call it. Until then if that day comes, we simply just "exist" with no real drive or options. A special note to make is that failure will only lead to more suffering, as failing hanging for example could leave someone as a vegetable and a despairing shadow of their former self.

If you are going to take measures to stop suicide, at least actually try to make change to help those who will be lead to consider it the most.

As for those minors you worried about; oh the children! It's always and only bad when it affects the children! I will say that it is a damn shame to see youth waste their lives away when they still had possibilities for things to get better for them, and potential. However, the few that were on the site (who lied about their age) knew full well what they were doing, and it wasn't the environment of the site itself that lead them to die, it was what was happening to them in their own lives. These kids never had proper support in their lives. Why else would they go out of their way to find an obscure suicide forum with people who would never be able to know their age or stories. There was no one to support them in their time of need, they were only screwed over by society. They made their decisions.

In addition, you and everyone else who supports this bill know nothing about these people and instead from your moral high horses are HYPOCRITICAL towards your views. You think this site grooms children and adults alike to end their lives? These kids are constantly being exposed to all kinds of crap anyway; such as porn, extremist ideologies, actual grooming from predators (or trying to exploit them) on mainstream social media. (all which you should be concerned about!) You would be surprised and sick to your stomach at what kids do these days. You allow them to get abortions and you allow them to go under gender transitioning, because you think they are competent enough to think that they could make such life-changing decisions at an early age and assume there isn't any sort of outside influence.

You, supporters, and the media have also abused our members. There have been people who have spoken up about problems on the site such as the occasional, very taboo and looked-down upon predator, and have used victims stories to push your narratives. I read an apology letter from someone who spoke up about their experience with the New York Times, the journalists completely twisted their narrative, mixed up their words and disregarded their original intentions. You are only fueling echo chambers of hate and self-righteousness.

I could ramble on paragraphs for longer, but I will end it here.

We have a right to freedom of speech, for privacy, and deserve a right to choose how we end our lives. Please consider our plights. I once again urge you to reconsider your support for this bill, and simply leave people who do not want your help or attention in the first place alone. Instead, I ask you to help reform the mental health system and interact with those in the suicide wards and with people on the site or similar. Just by listening you can better your understanding and use it for real change.

If you read this far, thank you.
Sincerely,
- Anonymous
 
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I love your letter, it's very powerful. I would suggest removing the swear words and being more polite though, as you don't want the reader to think you're unhinged or anything. We've already got a terrible reputation as is.
 
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I love your letter, it's very powerful. I would suggest removing the swear words and being more polite though, as you don't want the reader to think you're unhinged or anything. We've already got a terrible reputation as is.
I have to stay stern and direct if I want her to take us and the message seriously, but I will remove the rude swearing if that really does take away from everything.
 
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A lot of good points addressed in this letter and really drives the message home. I might tone down the cursing (assuming this is a professional letter written to the congresswoman/representative) just so they don't try to use that as a reason to dismiss or otherwise not take as seriously. @damaged_soul has beat me to the punch.

With respect to Canada's MAID program, yes that does seem to support the letter's point though I would avoid criticizing MAID too much (I'm a US citizen but I strongly support MAID myself). I would add that we could find a balance between giving people an option as well as providing the resources to live well and we shouldn't take away their option to exit if they still wish to.
 
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With respect to Canada's MAID program, yes that does seem to support the letter's point though I would avoid criticizing MAID too much (I'm a US citizen but I strongly support MAID myself). I would add that we could find a balance between giving people an option as well as providing the resources to live well and we shouldn't take away their option to exit if they still wish to.
Yes, I should go into more detail on that. It is madly dystopian that Canada has handled it the way they did, other countries that allow MAID haven't been as bad. My main intention was to strike her moral nerves to compare her concerns about SS to Canada.
 
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Thank you for sharing this. I have been wondering how I could safely write a letter while ensuring that it would not be used to put me in legal trouble, cost me my job, or get me committed. I think your opening statements address that well.

I agree that the swear words need to be taken out. If you're writing an elected official, you need to be as profess possible. At the first mention of a swear, they will toss out and disregard your letter, writing you off as emotional/troubled. You have excellent points and you want them to be taken seriously.

I also think the mentor the Canadian system may be superfluous, inflammatory, and unnecessary. It's worth mentioning that the U.S. is not aligned with other similar nations regarding views on bodily autonomy, choice, euthanasia, etc. But I think assessment of such systems may be out of the purview of the message you're trying to send.

Lastly, I think it's important to express your emotions, because that has a powerful effect. You can convince people with data, but you win them over with emotion. Letting them know how the site affects you personally is important. Letting them know the impact this bill could have on you is important. The emotional impact should support the narrative, but it shouldn't control the narrative. At times, your emotion is so strong, it overpowers the message. Yes — talk about child safety, and how our mental health system fails youth. But consider avoiding putting the blame on them for all of society's ills.

Another note: Know your audience. Trahan is a Democrat. Some of your language can be taken to be anti-choice and transphobic to progressive ears. That's another reason they may disregard your opinion. It might be more effective to stick to the points related to suicide forums. Instead of listing things that you perceive to be greater injustices, consider listing more effective ways of combating youth suicide. I suspect they would respond better to a well-thought out argument on how best to use government resources — creating programs to support youth, boost employment, make care more affordable, etc. as opposed to hunting down and prosecuting website owners.

That's my (but more than) two cents as a former teacher and current editor. I might try my hand at writing one to share with you all here, but I doubt I'd send one on behalf of myself. I'm just not comfortable with that. :aw:
 
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Another note: Know your audience. Trahan is a Democrat. Some of your language can be taken to be anti-choice and transphobic to progressive ears. That's another reason they may disregard your opinion. It might be more effective to stick to the points related to suicide forums. Instead of listing things that you perceive to be greater injustices, consider listing more effective ways of combating youth suicide. I suspect they would respond better to a well-thought out argument on how best to use government resources — creating programs to support youth, boost employment, make care more affordable, etc. as opposed to hunting down and prosecuting website owners.
My comment about transitioning and abortion are only meant to serve as moral questioning for her because they are "exceptions" that she could believe and society generally believes are ok for minors to choose, but not other life-changing body-related decisions like wanting to die, getting a tattoo, or having sex. Perhaps I should make the "Exception" part clear.

As for suggestions about policies or whatnot, I didn't want to drag out the letter more than I did, and intended to pass the ball back in her court to take action and do more thinking and immerse herself. You are right about it being a possibly more effective argument. The main concern of this letter is more supposed to pull at moral strings to persuade her to reconsider and think more broadly rather than directing change. Im not trying to be an activist but if it got to that point I might as well follow through. I won't replace arguments for now but I could include suggestions for further immersion and possible actions she could propose since I already mentioned MAID and grievances for the mental health system
 
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Very well written ❤️
 
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My comment about transitioning and abortion are only meant to serve as moral questioning for her because they are "exceptions" that she could believe and society generally believes are ok for minors to choose, but not other life-changing body-related decisions like wanting to die, getting a tattoo, or having sex. Perhaps I should make the "Exception" part clear.
Ah, I see. That's a valid point. I had initially missed it because it immediately followed some exclamatory language. My assumption was that they were grouped in with that previous thought. On its own, I think it's a much clearer point. I think you could get rid of the discussion of porn, etc. that precedes it, or at least separate it, so it's a new thought.

We allow our young people to make consequential life decisions that require mature and critical thinking. We give them the right to have an abortion. We enable them to undergo gender transitioning. We believe in their autonomy over their bodies and their own assessments of what is best for their mental health. How can we then punish them for their desire and decision to die? Can that not also be made with mature and critical thought?

*I* think that's a valid point, though I think most people wouldn't want to hear it. I also think you'd need to supplement it with more info to tie it into suicide forums. Perhaps link it to the idea of a space where suicidality is not met with stigma and confinement. I also think it might be important to stick to young adults, because we don't want to lend credence to the idea that we support minors on the site. (Other than to say, when minors seek out this site, it is an indictment on society, that they feel the need to pursue this option.)
 
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Ah, I see. That's a valid point. I had initially missed it because it immediately followed some exclamatory language. My assumption was that they were grouped in with that previous thought. On its own, I think it's a much clearer point. I think you could get rid of the discussion of porn, etc. that precedes it, or at least separate it, so it's a new thought.

We allow our young people to make consequential life decisions that require mature and critical thinking. We give them the right to have an abortion. We enable them to undergo gender transitioning. We believe in their autonomy over their bodies and their own assessments of what is best for their mental health. How can we then punish them for their desire and decision to die? Can that not also be made with mature and critical thought?

*I* think that's a valid point, though I think most people wouldn't want to hear it. I also think you'd need to supplement it with more info to tie it into suicide forums. Perhaps link it to the idea of a space where suicidality is not met with stigma and confinement. I also think it might be important to stick to young adults, because we don't want to lend credence to the idea that we support minors on the site. (Other than to say, when minors seek out this site, it is an indictment on society, that they feel the need to pursue this option.)
the minors are a big driving point for why this outrage began in the first place. My comparisons are supposed to grind against the grain and weren't intended to take away from my message or points.
My intention at least was to make Trahan think more and to also appeal to her as a mother. If I don't address the minors, she is going to wonder "what about the children? They groomed children they're bad."

As for the topic of young adults, it should be focused more just to broaden her view a bit more. I see I kind of lumped everyone together. I would like to use what you wrote if you don't mind.

Your initial impressions help me to think how she could react, and my tone should be changed to make sure only harsh in the right places. I should also explicitly say something like "we do not support minors on the platform, registration measures a certain level of maturity and demeanors". I already addressed how minors being on the site was bad, but it'll make it more obvious and less likely to be able to take out of context.

But I also feel that if I don't hit motivations that matter to Lori and everyone else supporting it, along with their logic and beliefs, my whole message would be lost. Harshness is a tone that while can turn people off, leaves people scratching their heads.

Thanks for your input so far.
 
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How are you sending it? Sometimes organizations have filters that block or quarantine messages with swearing and other buzzwords like "porn." I can definitely see that being the case with government emails.

Yours has given me some ideas on how to restructure my own letter.
 
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How are you sending it? Sometimes organizations have filters that block or quarantine messages with swearing and other buzzwords like "porn." I can definitely see that being the case with government emails.

Yours has given me some ideas on how to restructure my own letter.
I was going to send it through her contact form provided by the site. Profanity will be removed. I can slightly censor buzzwords and use more professional terms. I might hold off on sending though due to another thread that highlighted what the bill is, and what will likely be argued in terms of law. My motivation for the letter is started by the bill but is no means specific only to it, as it concerns morality and focus of where the law could be going.
 
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Shame I'd prefer a nicer more forceful message like say:
#1. You do know how easy it is to rig a car bomb?
#2. You know there are lethal plant toxins that are tasteless?
#3. Ever heard of snipers taking people out from far away?
#4. Are you aware there are martial arts techniques that will allow quick and quiet death in minutes?
#5. Can you imagine how easy it is to run over someone, lethally, with a big pickup truck?
#6. People have been knifed to death, it's quiet and quick!
Perhaps too much, but these people must be met with extremism to dampen their enthusiasm for meddling in other's affairs. The message should be simple screw with us at your own peril.
RANT OVER, love to all here.
Best post of the day! Don't schizo out too much the feds could be on you.
 
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I want to make sure that this letter will not be abused in any way and I want it to represent the feelings of myself and our community well. I will let this simmer and send it within the next few days. If you have a letter you are writing to her or your representatives, put it in this thread so we can check it, too. I'm sure none of us don't want anything we say to be abused or taken the wrong way.
We shouldn't have to lower ourselves by Communicating with these cuntish pro-lifers. These shitty little narcissists have an agenda, and that agenda is to make themselves look good for the media by portraying themselves as some kind of humanitarian crusader. Yet, at the same time, they simply don't give a fuck about people ending their lives, nor will they ever give a fuck about what anyone here has to say. Your letter is excellent, yet I am certain that the words it contains will be ignored. You cannot communicate with irrational people like pro-lifers. They are quite simply as dumb as pigshit.
 
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We shouldn't have to lower ourselves by Communicating with these cuntish pro-lifers. These shitty little narcissists have an agenda, and that agenda is to make themselves look good for the media by portraying themselves as some kind of humanitarian crusader. Yet, at the same time, they simply don't give a fuck about people ending their lives, nor will they ever give a fuck about what anyone here has to say. Your letter is excellent, yet I am certain that the words it contains will be ignored. You cannot communicate with irrational people like pro-lifers. They are quite simply as dumb as pigshit.
Dumb as pig shit! (GOLD STAR FOR THAT ONE!) They feel safe in attacking us, I still think it would be both joyous and delightful if they paid for their meddling in other's affairs that should be of no consequence to them. I heard some people have gone from suicidal to homicidal because of such interfering busybodies. :)
I love your letter, it's very powerful. I would suggest removing the swear words and being more polite though, as you don't want the reader to think you're unhinged or anything. We've already got a terrible reputation as is.
Swear words help convey the righteous anger some of us are feeling about her interference in our affairs.
Best post of the day! Don't schizo out too much the feds could be on you.
Aw, I am just pointing out that there are just so many lovely ways a busybody might have a really bad day. Sometimes sticking one's nose into other's affairs can cause most unpleasant after-effects. Effects the meddling prolife busybody had not thought of while on their crusade.
 
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Dumb as pig shit! (GOLD STAR FOR THAT ONE!) They feel safe in attacking us, I still think it would be both joyous and delightful if they paid for their meddling in other's affairs that should be of no consequence to them. I heard some people have gone from suicidal to homicidal because of such interfering busybodies. :)
Yes, they do make you feel that way. A lot of people here have nothing to lose. The person who has nothing to lose is is the most dangerous animal of them all. These do-gooders need to be careful who they are fucking with.
 
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Yes, they do make you feel that way. A lot of people here have nothing to lose. The person who has nothing to lose is is the most dangerous animal of them all. These do-gooders need to be careful who they are fucking with.
Bro, you do see my point! If a man or woman is not afraid of dying, what can they possibly scare or threaten such a person with? It is not ever a good idea to screw with someone who is emotionally compromised,! Some of the worst things imaginable have happened to people who were stupid enough to screw with others whose resources and resourcefulness were unknown to the meddler.
 
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Bro, you do see my point! If a man or woman is not afraid of dying, what can they possibly scare or threaten such a person with? It is not ever a good idea to screw with someone who is emotionally compromised,! Some of the worst things imaginable have happened to people who were stupid enough to screw with others whose resources and resourcefulness were unknown to the meddler.
So true, I couldn't have said it better myself. I'm not a violent person, never have been. But any kind of bullying and interfering with my most basic of freedoms such as free speech is not a good idea. I despise all authority figures, and do-gooders. They remind me of my narcissistic parents. They get off on having power over others.
 
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Thank you for sharing this. I have been wondering how I could safely write a letter while ensuring that it would not be used to put me in legal trouble, cost me my job, or get me committed. I think your opening statements address that well.

I agree that the swear words need to be taken out. If you're writing an elected official, you need to be as profess possible. At the first mention of a swear, they will toss out and disregard your letter, writing you off as emotional/troubled. You have excellent points and you want them to be taken seriously.

I also think the mentor the Canadian system may be superfluous, inflammatory, and unnecessary. It's worth mentioning that the U.S. is not aligned with other similar nations regarding views on bodily autonomy, choice, euthanasia, etc. But I think assessment of such systems may be out of the purview of the message you're trying to send.

Lastly, I think it's important to express your emotions, because that has a powerful effect. You can convince people with data, but you win them over with emotion. Letting them know how the site affects you personally is important. Letting them know the impact this bill could have on you is important. The emotional impact should support the narrative, but it shouldn't control the narrative. At times, your emotion is so strong, it overpowers the message. Yes — talk about child safety, and how our mental health system fails youth. But consider avoiding putting the blame on them for all of society's ills.

Another note: Know your audience. Trahan is a Democrat. Some of your language can be taken to be anti-choice and transphobic to progressive ears. That's another reason they may disregard your opinion. It might be more effective to stick to the points related to suicide forums. Instead of listing things that you perceive to be greater injustices, consider listing more effective ways of combating youth suicide. I suspect they would respond better to a well-thought out argument on how best to use government resources — creating programs to support youth, boost employment, make care more affordable, etc. as opposed to hunting down and prosecuting website owners.

That's my (but more than) two cents as a former teacher and current editor. I might try my hand at writing one to share with you all here, but I doubt I'd send one on behalf of myself. I'm just not comfortable with that. :aw:
You have some really, really good points and feedback here. I think if the OP implemented them it would be an amazing letter. I'm shocked that Lori Trahan is a Democrat though. I thought Democrats were supposed to be pro-choice! It's typically the Republicans who are super against euthanasia and things like that...
I was going to send it through her contact form provided by the site. Profanity will be removed. I can slightly censor buzzwords and use more professional terms. I might hold off on sending though due to another thread that highlighted what the bill is, and what will likely be argued in terms of law. My motivation for the letter is started by the bill but is no means specific only to it, as it concerns morality and focus of where the law could be going.
What's the other thread?
Shame I'd prefer a nicer more forceful message like say:
#1. You do know how easy it is to rig a car bomb?
#2. You know there are lethal plant toxins that are tasteless?
#3. Ever heard of snipers taking people out from far away?
#4. Are you aware there are martial arts techniques that will allow quick and quiet death in minutes?
#5. Can you imagine how easy it is to run over someone, lethally, with a big pickup truck?
#6. People have been knifed to death, it's quiet and quick!
Perhaps too much, but these people must be met with extremism to dampen their enthusiasm for meddling in other's affairs. The message should be simple screw with us at your own peril.
RANT OVER, love to all here.
...what are these tasteless plant toxins you speak of???
We shouldn't have to lower ourselves by Communicating with these cuntish pro-lifers. These shitty little narcissists have an agenda, and that agenda is to make themselves look good for the media by portraying themselves as some kind of humanitarian crusader. Yet, at the same time, they simply don't give a fuck about people ending their lives, nor will they ever give a fuck about what anyone here has to say. Your letter is excellent, yet I am certain that the words it contains will be ignored. You cannot communicate with irrational people like pro-lifers. They are quite simply as dumb as pigshit.
Yup, prolifers have zero critical thinking skills. They are extremely biologically and culturally brainwashed about the sanctity of life and can't think clearly. Imo they're the mentally ill ones rather than us!
 
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You have some really, really good points and feedback here. I think if the OP implemented them it would be an amazing letter. I'm shocked that Lori Trahan is a Democrat though. I thought Democrats were supposed to be pro-choice! It's typically the Republicans who are super against euthanasia and things like that...

What's the other thread?

...what are these tasteless plant toxins you speak of???

Yup, prolifers have zero critical thinking skills. They are extremely biologically and culturally brainwashed about the sanctity of life and can't think clearly. Imo they're the mentally ill ones rather than us!
Don't even think of using plant toxins to depart with. The particular one I'm thinking of is really nasty, fever, chills, vomiting, raging fever, diarrhea, and above all else excruciating pain.
An amount of that plant toxin that can easily fit on the head of a sewing pin is enough to cause death. But it is not an easy way to ctb, believe me. Concentrating that toxin is difficult and very dangerous, let alone deliberately using it. Death could take several days or even a week to terminate the unfortunate who took it.
 
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I'm not if it's even my place to say, but I don't think it's a good look to openly hint at killing someone. It's bad enough that general people have a bad outlook on this site. It'll add fuel to the fire if it comes out that people are planning on.. Yknow.. I get the anger, but there's better ways to solve this problem...
 
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I'm not if it's even my place to say, but I don't think it's a good look to openly hint at killing someone. It's bad enough that general people have a bad outlook on this site. It'll add fuel to the fire if it comes out that people are planning on.. Yknow.. I get the anger, but there's better ways to solve this problem...
There is hinting about something and there is returning a favor. There is taking a bullies repeated attacks over and over, and there is finally getting enough.There are people whose weakness allows them to be an easy mark for predatory people, and there are stronger people predators avoid. I don't like bullies, I am not a prey item, and I am never one to scare easily. So if you are living your life in fear of everyone and everything, you don't need to suicide as you are already dead. Remember this and remember it well, sometimes you have to fight back, or risk being a perpetual victim.
 
piger

piger

Every waking moment I spiral further into insanity
Dec 11, 2021
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What's the other thread?
If you were still wondering. It was Clarification of "Stop Online Suicide Assistance Forums Act" - Please read this and quit panicking by Cathy Ames. It should be pinned in the suicide discussion section now.
 
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eldiablo666

Evil Always Prevail
Sep 25, 2022
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It's the devils work Lori is doing.

God will prevail.

Your letter is perfect minus the swear words.
I included light threats in mine but I'm reconsidering removing them , but I was angry.
 
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StrangeAndDeath

Exhausted Human
Oct 12, 2022
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I liked your letter, it could do without the swear words tho. But I don't think you will be changing her mind. Pulling back on her bill could be seen as a sort of defeat even if you changed her mind. And people's mindset are extremely difficult to change.
All of this is even considering the unlikely event that it gets to her in the first place. I imagine her staff will filter out what they consider unimportant.
And if I know one thing about the way the world works, it's that one individual protesting what is generally accepted as right is very unimportant indeed
 
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damaged_soul

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It's the devils work Lori is doing.

God will prevail.

Your letter is perfect minus the swear words.
I included light threats in mine but I'm reconsidering removing them , but I was angry.
Please remove the threats, we already have a terrible reputation. One of pro-life people's main arguments is that "suicidal people are mentally ill" and by including threats you're just perpetuating that stereotype.
 
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eldiablo666

Evil Always Prevail
Sep 25, 2022
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Please remove the threats, we already have a terrible reputation. One of pro-life people's main arguments is that "suicidal people are mentally ill" and by including threats you're just perpetuating that stereotype.
I never even sent a letter
 
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damaged_soul

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Jul 30, 2022
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I never even sent a letter
That's good. Don't send it. I was originally planning on drafting a letter to send it but after reading the pinned thread on the Suicide Discussion section, I don't think I should.
 
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eldiablo666

Evil Always Prevail
Sep 25, 2022
323
That's good. Don't send it. I was originally planning on drafting a letter to send it but after reading the pinned thread on the Suicide Discussion section, I don't think I should.
I don't think it matters a bit what we do or Don't.

Prolifers are brainwashed warriors of the devil.
They will continue to try to infest this life with corruption.
 
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damaged_soul

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I don't think it matters a bit what we do or Don't.

Prolifers are brainwashed warriors of the devil.
They will continue to try to infest this life with corruption.
That is true. Prolifers have no critical thinking skills, so no amount of rational argumentation would change their minds. However, sending stuff to them could attract more attention to the bill and make them more passionate about it, which would harm us. It's better to just not draw their attention and keep to ourselves.
 

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