Discussion Constantly cheery militant pro lifers?

[ASwissGuy99]

What's with constantly cheery militant pro lifers who think life is the biggest gift ever, always in all circumstances and you must be grateful to be alive, at all times, everywhere always.

Also you must be positive, always, everywhere, for any reason.

If you aren't they call you ungrateful because you're not terminally ill or in extreme poverty.

But even if you were in extreme poverty or terminally ill they would chastise you for complaining.

My question is, are those people really as happy as they seem to be? It because they're usually wealthy, healthy and have a stable life?

And why are they extremely positive, always? How do they do this and, how can they be so oblivious to suffering?

And why are they usually militantly against not just abortion obviously, but any suicide, even for terminally ill without hope to recovery.

I pretended to be terminally in such a forum.

And well they said there's always hope, no matter what illness, you can still achieve greatness in life, and be happy, so no reason to take the shortcut.

Again, they don't seem to understand how painful terminal illness is, or age related illnesses or horrible illnesses in general.

Some of them are even against palliative care and are for involuntarily extending other people's lives via technology.

 

[yive]

these ppl are just completely irrational ignorant assholes. this whole "life is a gift, you need to be grateful" crap is the worst religion ever. the very fact of the presence of such people in the world, and the fact that they are in the majority, is in itself a huge reason to die. we are not obligated to pay the price for someone else's delusions

 

[ASwissGuy99]

these ppl are just completely irrational ignorant assholes. this whole "life is a gift, you need to be grateful" crap is the worst religion ever. the very fact of the presence of such people in the world, and the fact that they are in the majority, is in itself a huge reason to die. we are not obligated to pay the price for someone else's delusions

Are they the majority though?

 

[wish_to_live_again]

I am someone who is generally pro-life. I was raised Christian, and still consider myself one. I do believe life is a gift.

And yet, after the hell I have been through and am experiencing now (you could read my story if you like; just posted today) --- I understand wanting to die. I want to die. I hope to die. I pray to God to let me die.

Some of those who are pro-life won't understand this for various reasons. They have been healthy, they have not struggled with physical or mental illness, they haven't had extreme financial hardship. Their lives have been overall, good, and so it is hard to relate to those who have suffered in the extreme. But, I have also found some pro-life people who HAVE suffered in the extreme. They do have compassion when I tell them I want to die, although still they try to encourage me to go on. Their example isn't one I can easily discount. But I do not yet know whether I am strong enough to endure my own suffering.

 

[Walpurgisnacht]

And why are they extremely positive, always? How do they do this and, how can they be so oblivious to suffering?

I have had the same thoughts about these kinds of people. My mother especially seems to embody this, and I just don't understand it. She's not had the best life herself but she acts like everything is amazing and she treats me like I'm insane for seeing through it.
I don't believe these people are happy, when you're happy and content with your life you don't feel the need to push that onto everyone else, like.. imagine if you were happy and content, why would the existence of people with a different view on their own lives make you so angry and resentful?
I think it's a massive cope personally, and they feel threatened when someone is around that challenges their self-imposed prison of smiles. I see these people like clowns honestly, running their own little circus worlds to distract themselves from reality. I think that's why they're so controlling of others' autonomy, because it doesn't fit their fantasy worlds where everything is okay actually. But that's just my opinion.
I would certainly never want to force my bleak outlook on life onto anyone, so if they genuinely are happy then good for them; but I'd like to be treated with the same respect and dignity and that seems rare.

 

[yive]

Are they the majority though?

we don't know the exact numbers, but at least we have a very large percentage of them, and they hinder us from legalizing the right to die. it's obvious that most ppl are brainwashed into thinking that "life is good" and all this crap, and they clearly don't want people to ctb

 

[Noise]

I think of those types as yapping chihuahuas. They don't know why they do it, they just do. Similar to how many people confess that there are irreparable issues in the world and that bringing a child into the world is immoral, but still continue to procreate regardless.

However, I don't honestly believe that they're incapable of recognizing that suffering exists or that it has never occurred to them that they have difficulties in their lives that are difficult to overcome. It's due to their emotional resiliency and obsession with focusing on the "good" parts of the world that these types become passive in their attitudes and perceptions of suffering rather than actively fixated on it insofar as they seek a permanent solution for it (i.e., suicide). I genuinely believe that the reason why many of these types are quick to vehemently oppose the right to die or pessimistic ideas is because it serves as a grim reminder of the absurdity of their existence; constantly making do with their suffering by grasping onto their ropes of pleasure until their arms eventually give out.

There's a reason why the aphorism "busy hands are happy hands" exists. They don't think, ruminate, or contemplate their shortcomings, they just do. I hypothesize that their existence is sensational, and they are living in a permanent state of emotional and hedonistic ecstasy

 

[Worndown]

We should be happy for them. Their life is simple enough they do not have these problems. And if they do, a few simple words will solve the problem.
Or we should pity them for avoiding reality and evading facts.
Either way, they have an easy life.

 

[WorthlessCoward]

What does it matter what they think? And why would you go to a place intentionally to get angry?

 

[wish_to_live_again]

I know there are many people here who have suffered in ways that I will never understand. But I can say that there are somethings that "feel" undeniably good and right in the world. I don't blame people for savoring those. And I mourn for those of us who have not or cannot.

- The feeling you get from spending time with a good friend
- Making your 2 year old son laugh uncontrollably
- The rush of skiing down a mountainside
- Watching a beautiful sunrise or sunset with someone you love. Not saying anything. Just watching.
- Camping out under the stars on a clear night
- Feeling love for others and feeling loved. Being together.

I could go on of course...

If life has none of those things, would it be worth living? I don't know, but it is definitely tragic without them.

 

[ASwissGuy99]

I know there are many people here who have suffered in ways that I will never understand. But I can say that there are somethings that "feel" undeniably good and right in the world. I don't blame people for savoring those. And I mourn for those of us who have not or cannot.

- The feeling you get from spending time with a good friend
- Making your 2 year old son laugh uncontrollably
- The rush of skiing down a mountainside
- Watching a beautiful sunrise or sunset with someone you love. Not saying anything. Just watching.
- Camping out under the stars on a clear night
- Feeling love for others and feeling loved. Being together.

I could go on of course...

If life has none of those things, would it be worth living? I don't know, but it is definitely tragic without them.

I was never truly loved by anyone

 

[wish_to_live_again]

I was never truly loved by anyone

I am literally crying to hear you say that. I am so sorry.


Even if you are right, don't you think there is at least the possibility that there may be someone out there who would love you? Probably my Christian background...but I do believe everyone is worthy of love.

 

[NeverReallyHere]

I think many of these people are simply terrified of their mortality, and their behaviour is both a coping mechanism and a manifestation of their resentment at being reminded they're going to die one day.

 

[FuneralCry]

Those types of people are insane to me, it's disgusting to deny and dismiss all of the endless amounts of torment that exist here.
For someone to be against the logical option that is suicide they must be severely delusional, the right to die is very important and nobody should be forced to exist. It's irrational to want to live in this cruel world where chance determines everything, and where there are unlimited amounts of meaningless suffering. But I just think that these people are in denail of the fact that wanting suicide can make a lot of sense in this world, they just don't want to accept that fact which is why they force their insensitive beliefs onto other people. I don't really think that they are as content with existing as they think they are really.

 

[SamTam33]

I think they suffer from some type of mental deficiency same as most everyone else.

Like poor, struggling, marginalized people who make time to go to church and thank the lord for being alive.

Those are not the actions of a healthy, functioning brain.

Praising someone who apparently has the power to improve your situation, yet doesn't?

That's the same way I see most people who claim to be happy and love life, but have a list of problems as long as their arm.

Like someone telling me they're in love with the feeling of starvation and poverty. You can say it all you want, but I don't have to believe you.

They need everyone else to play along, just like the person in the looney bin who thinks he's a baby and wants you to treat him like one.

Tell him he's not a baby and watch him lose his shit.

Telling these people that life generally sucks disrupts their world of make-believe.