Concerned about my powdered N

[ontheotherside]

Hello

I have some powdered N that I bought about 8 years ago (hard to believe it was so long ago) via a source listed in the PPH. I now wish to use the N.

I am concerned about the quality of the N so I sent it to Energy Control who confirmed that the sample I sent was 70% sodium pentobarbital. There is 25 grams in total so if the sample is representative of the whole then there should be 17.5 grams of pentobarbital (more than enough).

However, I am concerned about 3 things:

(1) How do I know the sample is representative? Could the average purity be below this but I picked a higher concentration sample? I mixed the bag of N up quite a bit so hopefully I will have a representative sample?

(2) The sample is quite old and I wondered whether it may have gone off? But I assume that the results would have showed if that were the case? Sodium pentobarbital is sodium pentobarbital - there is nothing more to its efficacy than the chemical molecule?

(3) I am concerned about what the remainder (30%) is? Could it be a molecule which interferes with N or which causes very unpleasant side effects prior to death? Is there any way of either checking what the 30% is (I don't think you can ask EC for a complete breakdown - you have to ask in relation to a specific chemical) or removing the 30%?

Apologies if I am being pedantic but I really do not want to fuck this up.

Thanks

 

[Advisor321]

Hello

I have some powdered N that I bought about 8 years ago (hard to believe it was so long ago) via a source listed in the PPH. I now wish to use the N.

I am concerned about the quality of the N so I sent it to Energy Control who confirmed that the sample I sent was 70% sodium pentobarbital. There is 25 grams in total so if the sample is representative of the whole then there should be 17.5 grams of pentobarbital (more than enough).

However, I am concerned about 3 things:

(1) How do I know the sample is representative? Could the average purity be below this but I picked a higher concentration sample? I mixed the bag of N up quite a bit so hopefully I will have a representative sample?

(2) The sample is quite old and I wondered whether it may have gone off? But I assume that the results would have showed if that were the case? Sodium pentobarbital is sodium pentobarbital - there is nothing more to its efficacy than the chemical molecule?

(3) I am concerned about what the remainder (30%) is? Could it be a molecule which interferes with N or which causes very unpleasant side effects prior to death? Is there any way of either checking what the 30% is (I don't think you can ask EC for a complete breakdown - you have to ask in relation to a specific chemical) or removing the 30%?

Apologies if I am being pedantic but I really do not want to fuck this up.

Thanks

Can't Energy Control tell what is the rest 30%?

 

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(1) How do I know the sample is representative? Could the average purity be below this but I picked a higher concentration sample? I mixed the bag of N up quite a bit so hopefully I will have a representative sample?

The purity is only representative of what was tested but most likely the whole batch is similar potency.

(2) The sample is quite old and I wondered whether it may have gone off? But I assume that the results would have showed if that were the case? Sodium pentobarbital is sodium pentobarbital - there is nothing more to its efficacy than the chemical molecule?

Pentobarbital is a very stable molecule here are two pubmed articles about it.

Injectable sodium pentobarbital: Stability at room temperature - PubMed

Pentobarbital sodium (CID: 14075609).

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Stability of pentobarbital sodium after reconstitution in 0.9% sodium chloride injection and repackaging in glass and polypropylene syringes - PubMed

The stability of pentobarbital sodium (10 mg/mL) in 0.9% sodium chloride injection and pentobarbital sodium (50 mg/mL) after repackaging in glass and polypropylene syringes has been studied at 25 deg C by means of a stability-indicating high-performance liquid chromatography assay method. The...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

(3) I am concerned about what the remainder (30%) is? Could it be a molecule which interferes with N or which causes very unpleasant side effects prior to death? Is there any way of either checking what the 30% is or removing the 30%?

most likely some inert molecule that wouldn't interfere but you can never be certain without testing it. if it didn't say in the lab test it's most likely nothing.

 

[freedompass]

Well. I always had the impression that the powder would have a very long shelf life. Far from an expert but I did order powder from China twice and took small amounts on multiple occasions. It definitely 'worked' as in, made me clumsy and drowsy in the same way that the liquid did, and I doubt the 30% is anything but some kind of filler. Perhaps you could try taking a small amount (say enough to fill an empty capsule?) At least that might reassure you that it doesn't have untoward or unexpected effects. Just my 2 cents though I would understand if you ignored them lol.

 

[ontheotherside]

Can't Energy Control tell what is the rest 30%?

Unfortunately, I think you have to ask whether a sample is a given chemical. You cannot ask for a list of every molecule in a sample. But let me know if I've misunderstood.

 

[yaulkan]

Well. I always had the impression that the powder would have a very long shelf life. Far from an expert but I did order powder from China twice and took small amounts on multiple occasions. It definitely 'worked' as in, made me clumsy and drowsy in the same way that the liquid did, and I doubt the 30% is anything but some kind of filler. Perhaps you could try taking a small amount (say enough to fill an empty capsule?) At least that might reassure you that it doesn't have untoward or unexpected effects. Just my 2 cents though I would understand if you ignored them lol.

I want to connect with the Chinese. Can you tell me personally?

 

[ChrisLeeHZ]

I know someone whose powder was tested recently.

 

[Smart No More]

I know someone whose powder was tested recently.

@ChrisLeeHZ Hi man. Is there a way to get old of info on your friends source. Even if they're an 'offline' source they'll have had to get it somewhere and could potentially do sales online via a 3rd party if unprepared to point online buyers to their original source. Your friends purchase must have come from a much larger batch of it. Please feel free to DM if you want to chat on the matter or feel like sharing some info. I'm peomise discretion on whatever you like.

Unfortunately, I think you have to ask whether a sample is a given chemical. You cannot ask for a list of every molecule in a sample. But let me know if I've misunderstood.

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure they're doing a full screne/analysis. Along with the quantities of each. Maybe it depends on the package you opt to pay for.

 

[Medicmedic72]

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure they're doing a full screne/analysis. Along with the quantities of each.


@ChrisLeeHZ Hi man. Is there a way to get old of info on your friends source. Even if they're an 'offline' source they'll have had to get it somewhere and could potentially do sales online via a 3rd party if unprepared to point online buyers to their original source. Your friends purchase must have come from a much larger batch of it. Please feel free to DM if you want to chat on the matter or feel like sharing some info. I'm peomise discretion on whatever you like.

I am pretty good at deciphering and I have absolutely no idea what this reply says.

 

[Smart No More]

I am pretty good at deciphering and I have absolutely no idea what this reply says.

Poor editing sorry.

Fixed now if you look above. However some of the info directed at @ChrisLeeHZ comes from a subject that's crossed through a couple of threads. Guess that's why it's not totally obvious.

Can't Energy Control tell what is the rest 30%?

I don't believe you nees to tell them what it is bar maybe a drug group. It shouldn't matter because lets say you said you thought it was coffee but really it was crack. They'd have to work that out to give you an identity on what you sent them. So a full analysis is what they should and must do otherwise they's be say "suh, I dunno what dis one is cus customer didn't tell me".


God, that could appear like I'm taking the piss, I'm not. I'm really not, I promise!

Basically I think you're getting a bit of a crosover in your understanding and fear. Lets see if I can explain this without going round the houses..... You go to them and for your goal is validate that what you have is N. So in your mind that's your intent and expectation.

Now from another perspective a parent finds a wrap or baggy in their kids lunchbox. Is is salt? Sand? Crack? Speed? Breadcrumbs? This parent then sends a sample saying they found unknown powder and need it identified. That is their intent and expectation which, whilst somilar to yours involves more analysis.

Now as a service, EC must analyze and identify every last substance that can be found in that sample because if she identifies 90% of it is salt and says don't woery it's safe without identifying the remaining 10% she only did half her job and when the parent then lets her child use what's lwleft of the sample and th remaining 10% kills them because its a poison or fent or seme other deadly chemical EC effectively told them was safe then guess who's just ruined their business and is up on charges of manslaughter.

I know that's a bit of a fantastically far out example for the sake of making the point but it feels necessary because the truth is there are lives at stake. EC can't do half their job. It should be a full analysis of what's detectable.