Discussion Committing suicide without it looking like suicide

[Sdoll98]

I want to die, but I have a family to consider. My death can't be a suicide for me family to receive my life insurance. Are there ways to die that won't be classified as suicide?

 

[treetop.grazer]

I'm in exactly the dame situation as you son know how hard it can be. I've looked at various options which include

1.. travel to somewhere dangerous with likelyhood of stabbing/shooting

2.. heart attack from over exertion, tried so many times, much harder than anticipated.


3.. caffeine overdose, tried this with the above, took a load of caffeine pills and drank a tonne of energy drink on a long mountain hike, just felt ill.

4.. water overdose, tried this, think it still has potential, felt really dizzy and fell over a few times by the end of the day, needs further research.

5.. Fall on a hike, tried once, fell, broke my leg and was out of action for a couple of months

which brings me to my preferred method

6.. Drowning. I took up wild swimming recently so have a cover story. I've been hoping to achieve the shallow water blackout method, but cannot seem to get myself to faint by hyperventilation. But this method seems the one tomraise least suspicion for me, I'll just go to a lake early for a swim one morning ,try to swim until exhausted and then dive down as far as I can go.

Well that's the plan anyway!

 

[jodes2]

I can't think of any way except for drowning some how, but that's super tough, not nice at all. Or freezing to death somewhere, as if you got lost and succumbed to the elements.

Or skydiving, sabotage your parachute. Rip it open and it fails on you, but that would have to be done in a way it looks feasibly an accident, I don't know how you'd do that. Consult someone on common skydiving parachute malfunctions and see if you could replicate it.

Lastly, heroin overdose. They're common, although it's usually years of use before someone ODs. Often it's either they get some stronger stuff and don't realise it, or go on a break then go on it again. Tho I guess it's feasible if it's your first time you could also get it really wrong.

 

[Faejin]

I'm in exactly the dame situation as you son know how hard it can be. I've looked at various options which include

1.. travel to somewhere dangerous with likelyhood of stabbing/shooting

2.. heart attack from over exertion, tried so many times, much harder than anticipated.


3.. caffeine overdose, tried this with the above, took a load of caffeine pills and drank a tonne of energy drink on a long mountain hike, just felt ill.

4.. water overdose, tried this, think it still has potential, felt really dizzy and fell over a few times by the end of the day, needs further research.

5.. Fall on a hike, tried once, fell, broke my leg and was out of action for a couple of months

which brings me to my preferred method

6.. Drowning. I took up wild swimming recently so have a cover story. I've been hoping to achieve the shallow water blackout method, but cannot seem to get myself to faint by hyperventilation. But this method seems the one tomraise least suspicion for me, I'll just go to a lake early for a swim one morning ,try to swim until exhausted and then dive down as far as I can go.

Well that's the plan anyway!

It is also possible to stage a moonshine accident and simply "forget" to separate the methanol from the ethanol. Definitely more difficult, and methanol kills by changing the PH of your blood which makes it unable to carry oxygen. I would not suggest it due to how difficult it would ne to set up and actually do along with it may be being a horrible way to die, but I have not looked into it too much yet. I am holding off trying it as a kind of last hurrah thing in case nothing else would work.

 

[itsallpointless]

Pick up rock climbing or skyscraper scaling?

 

[DeadManLiving]

Liquid Nitrogen. Medical Examiner's Death Certificate Cause of Death will be: Undetermined.

Easy to buy and cheap. Just google liquid nitrogen ice cream recipes. Buy for $3/L.

Pour the LN2 from the Dewar carefully and slowly into a Styrofoam container in a confined space then throw away/destroy the Dewar, receipts/browsing/location history far away. Get back in. If in a car, crack the window open a few cm, if in a tent poke a hole atop. As the Liquid N2 degases from liquid to gas at the rate of 1:394 you'll die in a few minutes without a wink of pain. The vaporizing nitrogen quickly displaces the air from bottom up (like filling up a bathtub) because it's cooler and heavier than oxygen. Just don't touch Liquid N2 or let it spill obviously, the cryogenic liquid will freeze anything to a solid on contact. Just transfer from the Dewar to any Styrofoam container or cooler.

No sense of panic, suffocation warning or distress. You'll pass out asleep peacefully in a few minutes and never wake up.

Nitrogen tricks the brain into thinking you're breathing in normal air, failing to activate the body's hypercapnic alarm response system. It's one of the only few methods that won't be detectable in an autopsy or toxicology.

 

[downndone2]

Fall

 

[Szinuus]

Car suicide

Electrocution in bathtub with plugged phone/hairdryer

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Get a gun, fix it at a helium balloon. After shooting yourself the gun will be carried away by the wind.

 

[Citruscine]

Liquid Nitrogen. Medical Examiner's Death Certificate Cause of Death will be: Undetermined.

Easy to buy and cheap. Just google liquid nitrogen ice cream recipes. Buy for $3/L.

Pour the LN2 from the Dewar carefully and slowly into a Styrofoam container in a confined space then throw away/destroy the Dewar, receipts/browsing/location history far away. Get back in. If in a car, crack the window open a few cm, if in a tent poke a hole atop. As the Liquid N2 degases from liquid to gas at the rate of 1:394 you'll die in a few minutes without a wink of pain. The vaporizing nitrogen quickly displaces the air from bottom up (like filling up a bathtub) because it's cooler and heavier than oxygen. Just don't touch Liquid N2 or let it spill obviously, the cryogenic liquid will freeze anything to a solid on contact. Just transfer from the Dewar to any Styrofoam container or cooler.

No sense of panic, suffocation warning or distress. You'll pass out asleep peacefully in a few minutes and never wake up.

Nitrogen tricks the brain into thinking you're breathing in normal air, failing to activate the body's hypercapnic alarm response system. It's one of the only few methods that won't be detectable in an autopsy or toxicology.

How reliable is this as compared to the N2 tank / exit bag method?

 

[lukas19]

Partail Hanging, strip naked, lots of pornography on floor with sextoys and lube. 100% will be classed as an accident.

 

[Caoine01]

In Germany there was a well-known sportswoman. During training, she jogged on a railway track. She was wearing headphones so she couldn't hear the approaching train.

Liquid Nitrogen.

How many kg or liter I do need for a car of three cubice metre?

 

[lionetta12]

I want to die, but I have a family to consider. My death can't be a suicide for me family to receive my life insurance. Are there ways to die that won't be classified as suicide?

CO inside a tent on a mountain since people accidently die to that yearly when camping or hypertermia.

 

[not_good_enough]

3.. caffeine overdose, tried this with the above, took a load of caffeine pills and drank a tonne of energy drink on a long mountain hike, just felt ill.

How were you ill? Puking? Panic attacks? Heart racing? How many mg caffeine? How many cans of energy drink? thank you

 

[death song]

I'm in exactly the dame situation as you son know how hard it can be. I've looked at various options which include

1.. travel to somewhere dangerous with likelyhood of stabbing/shooting

2.. heart attack from over exertion, tried so many times, much harder than anticipated.


3.. caffeine overdose, tried this with the above, took a load of caffeine pills and drank a tonne of energy drink on a long mountain hike, just felt ill.

4.. water overdose, tried this, think it still has potential, felt really dizzy and fell over a few times by the end of the day, needs further research.

5.. Fall on a hike, tried once, fell, broke my leg and was out of action for a couple of months

which brings me to my preferred method

6.. Drowning. I took up wild swimming recently so have a cover story. I've been hoping to achieve the shallow water blackout method, but cannot seem to get myself to faint by hyperventilation. But this method seems the one tomraise least suspicion for me, I'll just go to a lake early for a swim one morning ,try to swim until exhausted and then dive down as far as I can go.

Well that's the plan anyway!

Just curious- what type of life insurance do you guys carry? It is my understanding that the suicide clause in most LI policies only lasts for a limited amount of time after one takes out the policy. I could be wrong but I think my suicide clause expired after two months on the little policy I have. Some may be different than others IDK.

 

[Kalkofnsvegur]

you guys have to remember that after you die, if they do an autopsy, they will likely find out how you died, and rule it out as not an accident

 

[itsallpointless]

you guys have to remember that after you die, if they do an autopsy, they will likely find out how you died, and rule it out as not an accident

Not if you use nitrogen

 

[WeepingWillow]

How reliable is this as compared to the N2 tank / exit bag method?

Pretty fucking reliable but also pretty detectable. Someone is bound to notice the bag on your head.
But yeah if you have an accomplice that can clean up the scene afterwards N2 is undetectable as our atmosphere is 78% nitrogen

 

[lost&lonely]

Liquid Nitrogen. Medical Examiner's Death Certificate Cause of Death will be: Undetermined.

Easy to buy and cheap. Just google liquid nitrogen ice cream recipes. Buy for $3/L.

Pour the LN2 from the Dewar carefully and slowly into a Styrofoam container in a confined space then throw away/destroy the Dewar, receipts/browsing/location history far away. Get back in. If in a car, crack the window open a few cm, if in a tent poke a hole atop. As the Liquid N2 degases from liquid to gas at the rate of 1:394 you'll die in a few minutes without a wink of pain. The vaporizing nitrogen quickly displaces the air from bottom up (like filling up a bathtub) because it's cooler and heavier than oxygen. Just don't touch Liquid N2 or let it spill obviously, the cryogenic liquid will freeze anything to a solid on contact. Just transfer from the Dewar to any Styrofoam container or cooler.

No sense of panic, suffocation warning or distress. You'll pass out asleep peacefully in a few minutes and never wake up.

Nitrogen tricks the brain into thinking you're breathing in normal air, failing to activate the body's hypercapnic alarm response system. It's one of the only few methods that won't be detectable in an autopsy or toxicology.

Jesus, that sounds like a wonderful way to go. I can't imagine that would be easy to buy in the UK though, probably only sell to businesses.

 

[treetop.grazer]

It's generally 2 years, mine is reaching that in a couple of months if your over is 2 months that sounds very rare

Just curious- what type of life insurance do you guys carry? It is my understanding that the suicide clause in most LI policies only lasts for a limited amount of time after one takes out the policy. I could be wrong but I think my suicide clause expired after two months on the little policy I have. Some may be different than others IDK.

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[sevenkarmas]

It's generally 2 years, mine is reaching that in a couple of months if your over is 2 months that sounds very rare

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It depends on where you live. Most places are two years. However, if you have a group policy (not the supplemental) through a work plan, I believe that pays out regardless. Supplemental will not pay out for s.

 

[bolt]

I'm in exactly the dame situation as you son know how hard it can be. I've looked at various options which include

1.. travel to somewhere dangerous with likelyhood of stabbing/shooting

2.. heart attack from over exertion, tried so many times, much harder than anticipated.


3.. caffeine overdose, tried this with the above, took a load of caffeine pills and drank a tonne of energy drink on a long mountain hike, just felt ill.

4.. water overdose, tried this, think it still has potential, felt really dizzy and fell over a few times by the end of the day, needs further research.

5.. Fall on a hike, tried once, fell, broke my leg and was out of action for a couple of months

which brings me to my preferred method

6.. Drowning. I took up wild swimming recently so have a cover story. I've been hoping to achieve the shallow water blackout method, but cannot seem to get myself to faint by hyperventilation. But this method seems the one tomraise least suspicion for me, I'll just go to a lake early for a swim one morning ,try to swim until exhausted and then dive down as far as I can go.

Well that's the plan anyway!

most of these are how to survive or get a bit (more)disabled.... it is not that easy to die, it turns out....

 

[hellokitty]

Liquid Nitrogen. Medical Examiner's Death Certificate Cause of Death will be: Undetermined.

Easy to buy and cheap. Just google liquid nitrogen ice cream recipes. Buy for $3/L.

Pour the LN2 from the Dewar carefully and slowly into a Styrofoam container in a confined space then throw away/destroy the Dewar, receipts/browsing/location history far away. Get back in. If in a car, crack the window open a few cm, if in a tent poke a hole atop. As the Liquid N2 degases from liquid to gas at the rate of 1:394 you'll die in a few minutes without a wink of pain. The vaporizing nitrogen quickly displaces the air from bottom up (like filling up a bathtub) because it's cooler and heavier than oxygen. Just don't touch Liquid N2 or let it spill obviously, the cryogenic liquid will freeze anything to a solid on contact. Just transfer from the Dewar to any Styrofoam container or cooler.

No sense of panic, suffocation warning or distress. You'll pass out asleep peacefully in a few minutes and never wake up.

Nitrogen tricks the brain into thinking you're breathing in normal air, failing to activate the body's hypercapnic alarm response system. It's one of the only few methods that won't be detectable in an autopsy or toxicology.

 

[glitterypearls]

someone who commented about partial hanging, getting naked and watching porn to make it sexual. this will 100% work. a lot of people accidentally die from that, tho might give you a bad reputation and people who know you would think u are weird but it better than them knowing u killed yourself. tbh all you need is to be "interested" in a dangerous hobby like climbing or scuba and then fall or drown on purpose or not have enough oxygen. I watch a lot of documentaries and a lot of people die from scuba and its ruled an accident or lack of knowledge or "the tank was empty"

 

[DeadManLiving]

In Germany there was a well-known sportswoman. During training, she jogged on a railway track. She was wearing headphones so she couldn't hear the approaching train.

How many kg or liter I do need for a car of three cubice metre?

The internal volume of a compact car (Volkswagen Gold/Golf/Beetle/Mini Cooper) is approximately:

2.8 - 3.1 m3​ (cubic meters) or 3,000 Liters in Metric (100-120 Sq Cubic Feet (SCF) or 800 Gallons in US/Imperial)

1 Liter of LN2 weighs to 0.8 Kg (1.78 Lbs), and (in freezing liquid cryogenic state) the volume of a quarter US gallon.

If we decanted Liquid Nitrogen outside from its insulated Dewar container into a heavy duty Styrofoam cooler/container, 1 Liter of liquid nitrogen would quickly evaporate into pure Nitrogen (N2) gas at a dangerously rapid expansion rate of 700:1 - evaporating into 700 Liters of N2 gas, and displacing 0.696 m3​ cubic meters or 24.592 SCF of space.

10 Liters of LN2 equates to 8 Kg (~18 Lbs) in weight and 2.64 Gal in liquid volume and would evaporate to produce 7,000 Liters of N2 gas, occupying/displacing 6.46 m3​ or 245.9 SCF of space!

So if a compact car has an internal volume of roughly 3,000 liters, a small 2.5 gallon Styrofoam cooler filled with 10 Liters of liquid nitrogen would expand/evaporate to produce 7,000 liters of N2 gas! Where's all that extra gas going to go? It'll vent and escape somewhere somehow, but not without venting out and exhuming the original atmosphere out with it too altogether.

Imagine 20L of LN2? Eventually the car will become highly N2 pressurized and hissing out gas from any/every opening until all residual gas is exhausted, leaving only pure N2 still evaporating and expelling.

So 10 L of LN2 alone left to evaporate in a Styrofoam cooler in the trunk or somewhere in a small car would be enough to displace more than double the entire confined internal atmosphere/space capacity of a small car. If there is no exhaust vent or means for the N2 + Composite Atomospheric Gas to escape/exhaust from, it would simply pressurize the vehicle more than twice atmospheric pressure ...

Like putting a huge brick of dry ice into a sealed container - as the dry CO2 sublimates from solid-gas, the pressure would gradually increase until explosion (unless a hole or exhaust vent were made for for the excess gas build-up to escape from. Except Nitrogen does not activate the body's hypercapnic respiratory response alarm system, and you'd pass out in a few breaths or two without the feeling of suffocation/panic as N2 tricks your brain into thinking you're breathing in regular air. CO2 would not.

• A 20.9% oxygen composite proportion mix by volume is the standard acceptable under normal conditions humans normally breathe in.
• Below 19% Some adverse physiological effects occur, but they may not be noticeable.
• Between 15-19% Impaired thinking, coordination, attention and intellectual performance without awareness occur along with increased pulse and breathing rate.
• Between 10-12% oxygen mix high likelihood of fainting within a few minutes without warning. Respiration increases, lips turn blue, and judgment is impaired.
• At 8-10% fainting and unconsciousness begin to occur
• Around 10% Inability to move. Fainting and immediate loss of consciousness without warning. Coma.
• At or below 10% death occurs in 8 minutes at 6 percent to 8 percent oxygen; recovery is possible after 4 to 5 minutes if oxygen is restored.

You can use this calculator to calculate the quantity of LN2 and confined space metric/cubic feet to calculate various oxygen depletion rates. https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/safetyCalculators/Calc-cryo.htm


LN2 It is easily available at any local welding ship, ice cream supply store, chemistry stock room etc...and costs less than bottled water at $1/Liter (in industrial quantities, but in realistically ~$4/L in small retail quantities). You'd only need a $120-250 cryogenic Dewar container, which you can purchase on eBay.

If you're in the UK you may have to do a lot of calling around and digging, but eventually you'll find a source for small quantities if you look hard enough. Of course, unless you're willing to go through the hassle of buying the larger MOQs at a larger scale 20-40L + and renting out a pick up truck for transport.

If you're in the US - it's a (dangerous joke) to procure. There's even a YouTube video of a guy buying LN2 using a broken Dewar without a proper cap, filming as the industrial cryo gas fill-up laughs around while he's filming (basically no questions asked) and they're even helping him load the unsecured Dewar to the back of his minivan with his little kids inside (easy recipe for disaster). I've filled up my Dewars at over 12 welding shops around the state and they don't give a damm. They're a business, and you're a paying customer. All they care about is profit.

UK folks may have it harder, but not impossible.

 

[InsatiableEmptiness]

A technique that interests me is scuba diving. You can get nitrogen narcosis which is much like being drink and in some cases people just forget they are underwater. They just take their mask off and breath in water and fall unconscious
A technique that interests me is scuba diving. You can get nitrogen narcosis which is much like being drink and in some cases people just forget they are underwater. They just take their mask off and breath in water and fall unconscious

A technique that interests me is scuba diving. You can get nitrogen narcosis which is much like being drink and in some cases people just forget they are underwater. They just take their mask off and breath in water and fall unconscious
A technique that interests me is scuba diving. You can get nitrogen narcosis which is much like being drink and in some cases people just forget they are underwater. They just take their mask off and breath in water and fall unconscious

Double post

 

[jorheslen428]

Amitriptyline looks like a heart attack if there's no autopsy

 

[CentreMid]

I want to die, but I have a family to consider. My death can't be a suicide for me family to receive my life insurance. Are there ways to die that won't be classified as suicide?

The only method I can think of that doesn't involve others would be drowning. I suppose jumping is also a possibility but suicide is far less likely to be ruled out than drowning (I only say jumping because, depending on where you are, there's a chance you could make it look like you fell instead of actively jumped, y'know?)

Anywho, best of luck in whatever method you choose

 

[Librarian]

I want to die, but I have a family to consider. My death can't be a suicide for me family to receive my life insurance. Are there ways to die that won't be classified as suicide?

Buy heroin from the dark web and overdose, unless a suicide note is written they will assume it was an accidental overdose.

 

[unnormal9]

I,
Committing suicide without caring if it looks like suicide.