Method CO with Power Generator?

[acey]

There may have been a similar thread before, but I'll try. So I know that modern cars and most gas stoves don't produce enough CO for CTB. I was thinking that if I get a 4 stroke Power Generator and run it inside my car or a small garage etc, it should produce enough. But at the same time, if it was so easy, how come more people don't do it?

Can someone tell me what would be the fault of this method?

 

[treetop.grazer]

A quick search seems to show that it is possible. I guess you should look at the model of your generator and see what safety features it has, it might have a CO sensor and shutoff when it reaches a certain level

• 85% of all Carbon Monoxide poisoning deaths were caused by portable generators.
• From 1999-2012, 739 people died from Carbon Monoxide poisoning produced by a portable generator.
• 69% of generator-caused CO fatalities occurred when the generator was placed inside a home or in the home's basement.
• 50% of all CO fatalities occurred between November and February.

 

[J&L383]

I agree, they produce much more CO than automobiles. A small enclosed space, tightly sealed, with one of these could (should?) produce high CO concentrations. You could test to see how quickly the CO level rises with a simple consumer CO detector, or CO detectors that could measure high concentrations (professional, spendy) would be able to provide the data to confirm if life-ending concentrations were present.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

You can do tests with a CO meter (10000 ppm). Unintended CO poisoning usually happens over many hours bc the people don't even know why they may feel a bit dizzy or have a headache.

 

[thatwasit]

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[locked*n*loaded]

It's been done successfully. Check out the movie Conrad and Michelle, which is based on true events. The only real "nasty" thing about using a generator, I think, is that you're going to be breathing in all of those other by-product gases from the combustion process, and not just CO, which is colorless and odorless. I doubt that will be pleasant. Imo, charcoal is better because once the impurities are burned off, it's producing nearly 100% pure CO.

 

[thatwasit]

It's been done successfully. Check out the movie Conrad and Michelle, which is based on true events. The only real "nasty" thing about using a generator, I think, is that you're going to be breathing in all of those other by-product gases from the combustion process, and not just CO, which is colorless and odorless. I doubt that will be pleasant. Imo, charcoal is better because once the impurities are burned off, it's producing nearly 100% pure CO.

I'm worried about the reliability of the charcoal method. Some people get lucky with a few gram, some fail with 8KG. I also imagine things getting really hot.

While with the generator, I can get a full face protector made for painters with the gas filter. Saves the eyes, plus helps with the smell and some other toxins.

Are you still for charcoal, and if yes, why?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I'm worried about the reliability of the charcoal method. Some people get lucky with a few gram, some fail with 8KG. I also imagine things getting really hot.

While with the generator, I can get a full face protector made for painters with the gas filter. Saves the eyes, plus helps with the smell and some other toxins.

Are you still for charcoal, and if yes, why?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here, but if you're wearing a "full face protector with a gas filter", won't that, also, impede you from breathing in the CO (gas)?

There are "scientific" methods for determining the correct amount of charcoal to use.

Yeah, I'm still using charcoal. I have full confidence in it. I will conduct several "trial" runs to make sure that I can consistently achieve a CO level high enough to ensure a quick death. Also, I have a CO analyzer that will let me know that the level I need of CO is present within the tightly sealed tent that I'll be using.

Many people die of CO poisoning in their sleep each year caused by faulty furnaces and plugged-up chimneys, and I can all but guarantee that the levels that kill them, are nowhere close to what can be achieved by burning charcoal, intentionally, in an enclosed space.

CO has been the "go-to" method of suicide for decades. It was the prevailing method when cars had no catalytic converters. Using charcoal is just another iteration of that method, and an improved one, I would argue. If someone does their homework on it, and takes the necessary steps to ensure success - correct charcoal, enough charcoal, burning charcoal correctly, right enclosure sealed properly - the CO method has an extremely high reliability of success. And what I like most about it is that it renders you unconscious before actual death occurs, akin to dying in your sleep. Unless I get Nembutal, or its equivalent, that's the method I have the most confidence in.

 

[thatwasit]

You can do tests with a CO meter (10000 ppm). Unintended CO poisoning usually happens over many hours bc the people don't even know why they may feel a bit dizzy or have a headache.

Can, or did someone test this with a professional monitor, whether in a garage or a vehicle?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here, but if you're wearing a "full face protector with a gas filter", won't that, also, impede you from breathing in the CO (gas)?

CO is still CO, and the oxygen levels will be low.
I do think it will help with some of the unpleasant particles, buf it wont make the CO go away.

- the CO method has an extremely high reliability of success. And what I like most about it is that it renders you unconscious before actual death occurs, akin to dying in your sleep. Unless I get Nembutal, or its equivalent, that's the method I have the most confidence in.

Agree.

I'd argue that there's a difference though with knowing full well about what's going to happen, versus it catching you off-guard. Specially for some of us who are much more of a natural top-down worriers.

I like the idea of a tent/charcoal/peaceful/accident-like

But most likely I'm going to do this in a car.

It's been done successfully. Check out the movie Conrad and Michelle, which is based on true events. The only real "nasty" thing about using a generator, I think, is that you're going to be breathing in all of those other by-product gases from the combustion process, and not just CO, which is colorless and odorless. I doubt that will be pleasant. Imo, charcoal is better because once the impurities are burned off, it's producing nearly 100% pure CO.

One of my worries though is the CO catching on fire. My generator is clean and quiet for what it is, but never tested if to the point where oxygen levels are so low that kills the engine.

The switch and fuel lever would remain in ON position.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

One of my worries though is the CO catching on fire. My generator is clean and quiet for what it is, but never tested if to the point where oxygen levels are so low that kills the engine.

I haven't ever heard of any fires. Most likely, above fire concerns, although I'm sure this will just add to your "top- down worried" nature, is that CO is explosive, but I've never heard about any incidents of that kind, either.

Definitely a concern with a generator about low O2 levels. Charcoal, too, for that matter. It's been done, successfully, though, many timesso probably way overblown.

I don't really get the "off guard" idea. You know what's going to happen, what's supposed to happen. You breath it in, you fall unconscious. You should be expecting it.

I don't like the idea of a car. It's harder to seal. Space is more limited because of the seats. It has been done, though, I know, and successfully. For me, I'll stick with the tent. I have one of those "lounge" type cushions with an upright back. That's where I plan on situating myself before taking any breaths.

 

[thatwasit]

I haven't ever heard of any fires. Most likely, above fire concerns, although I'm sure this will just add to your "top- down worried" nature, is that CO is explosive, but I've never heard about any incidents of that kind, either.

Definitely a concern with a generator about low O2 levels. Charcoal, too, for that matter. It's been done, successfully, though, many timesso probably way overblown.

I don't really get the "off guard" idea. You know what's going to happen, what's supposed to happen. You breath it in, you fall unconscious. You should be expecting it.

I don't like the idea of a car. It's harder to seal. Space is more limited because of the seats. It has been done, though, I know, and successfully. For me, I'll stick with the tent. I have one of those "lounge" type cushions with an upright back. That's where I plan on situating myself before taking any breaths.

Sounds peaceful.

Ideally, I'd do it in my own bed, but can't without endangering other people.

 

[thatwasit]

I don't like the idea of a car. It's harder to seal. Space is more limited because of the seats. It has been done, though, I know, and successfully. For me, I'll stick with the tent. I have one of those "lounge" type cushions with an upright back. That's where I plan on situating myself before taking any breaths.

Which tent would you recommend?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Which tent would you recommend?

The "go-to" tent seems to be the Malawi Regatta tent. It's a pop-up, has attached groundsheet, only one vent, I believe, and is made of a good, thick(er), water-repellent fabric, that*should help contain CO better than some others. I couldn't get one of those. For whatever reason at the time I was looking for one, they weren't being sold to US residents.

I ended up with a similar style one off the jungle site. Still a pop-up, 3-person, because I wanted a little more space, one vent to seal, attached groundsheet. It was one of those "no-name" tents whose name escapes me right now. I think it was about $120. I remember it had decent reviews and good ratings on the water repellency scale they use to classify it. I haven't even taken it out of the box, yet, so I hope it's ok. I can try and dig it out later and get the brand name for you. Actually, there were a bunch of choices that I thought would work fine. I'm going to "go to town", so to speak, and seal everything very well, plus throw a tarp over it, too, so I think *almost* any tent could work, tbh. Obviously, the less vents and entrances, the better. And an attached groundsheet or bottom is best. If I can remember to dig it out later, I'll get back with you.