Discussion Christians - do you think God will accept us once we CTB?

[talktomeee]

It's hard for me to believe that he wouldn't accept us because we decided to take our lives. For me, I'm really sick (mentally). He wouldn't want me to feel this much pain. I think the afterlife won't be painful and it will be happy. What do you think?

 

[EndItQuickly]

Not Christian anymore after learning more about the origins of christianity. That being said, hell is an invention of the church. So if there is a god or an afterlife I wouldn't worry about going to hell ❤

 

[Maravillosa]

I am a practicing Catholic. I hope and pray that God would forgive me if and when I ctb.

 

[Enigma]

I no longer believe in God's existence, but if he does exist, my thoughts are that he is the one that needs to ask for forgiveness after all the atrocities he has witnessed and yet ignored.

 

[C.Darko]

Yes, the Wage of Sin was paid through the Blood of Christ. And I like to think that he knows the content of your heart. I worry about it too honestly.

 

[Thatdude]

Before I get into this, I want to get into a big thing I need to note. I'm no where near an expert in this field. I'm only giving my 2 cents, but you need to do your own research into this.

As far as I can tell, there is nothing saying flat out to not off yourself. So, lets take a look at the 10 commandments.

1. "I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have any strange gods before Me."
2. "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain."
3. "Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day."
4. "Honor thy father and mother."
5. "Thou shalt not murder."
6. "Thou shalt not commit adultery."
7. "Thou shalt not steal."
8. "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."
9. "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife."
10. "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods."

Obviously suicide won't apply to 1-2 & 6-10.
3 only applies from sundown on Friday evening to Sunday to be on the safe side.
4 might depend on your view point. Like is offing yourself dishonoring them?
As far as 5, this is the biggest iffy. Some say murder and others say kill. I could be wrong, but I think the oldest text we know of is murder. If it's kill, then you're screwed no matter what. Like you can kill an insect, germ, etc. But you can't murder it without very exact things. And similar to humans. Many think if you kill someone without intention, then it isn't murder. But even the Bible itself is kinda iffy on this since it OK war to a point. In some points to me it looks like it says war is OK. Like if you fight in God's name or for God.
And if we were to look at random polls on this topic, killing in war. It's almost a 50/50 what everyone thinks.


Because of this, something I do on topics like this when there is no authority I can go to in order to simply clear this up. I go off of what I personally believe. Do you think killing=murder? If so, what about germs? Note it doesn't say that shalt not kill/murder x, y, and z. It just says thou shalt not kill/murder. Meaning at all. meaning everyone is screwed on this one.
OK, maybe you agree with me that killing isn't always murder. Now the question is, is offing yourself murder? If the answer is yes, what about not taking care of yourself? Like eating cake for your birthday, or not taking out a loan for some medical treatment to save your life?
In short, what is the hard line to you?

Beyond this, something to note is.
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." NIV
Eph 2:8-9 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast." NIV
Rom 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." NIV

But the most important is.
Romans 3:31, NIV: "Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law."
I found a pretty good site that gets a little more into this https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/can-a-christian-commit-suicide/
But in a nutshell it is pointing out more than less what I am. If you want your answer, then you need to read the bible. Does the bible flat out say killing yourself = to you not going to heaven? As far as I can see, it doesn't flat out say this. So at this point we need to look at the rules and what it says about salvation. As far as I can tell the salvation part just says you need to live by the commandments and believe in Jesus died for our sins.


Lastly, you need to do your own research as I mentioned from the start. one good place I found is https://www.bibleref.com/
Within the search, put in the search in the verse you want to look more into (ex:James 2:26).


Side note: I think this is something many worry about. I think this has kept many from actually doing it too.

 

[Reyki6667]

If the creator of everything existed, yes.
frankly he is the one programmed suicidal ideation and other catastrophic ailments in the first place etched in out instinct.
Our death by suicide is predetermined for some of us .

So yeah.
But I think he doesn't care at all.
Since by looking at this wretched, unfair and unforgiving mald word.

Chaos is something he obviously wanted.


I don't believe in any religious bs Bullcrap.
so don't ask me.

So many different religions asking that they are the real one and people think these religious books are genuinely written by God's when they are full of mistakes, narcissism, violence, misogyny, racism, lust,cruelty,misconceptions.

 

[wuumb]

God is everything that is.
You are given free will, why should you have free will and then god says, but you did this now i punish you.
Check my posts if you want answers not tainted by this stupid organization and other cults which use god and spirituality to control the people.
Read Conversations with God.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Not Christian anymore after learning more about the origins of christianity. That being said, hell is an invention of the church. So if there is a god or an afterlife I wouldn't worry about going to hell ❤

What is your understanding of the origins of Christianity? I'm not asking you so as to put you on the spot, but rather I keep an open mind, as well, and enjoy history.

Read Conversations with God.

Are you referring to the book by Neale Donald Walsche?

 

[Sweet emotion]

I'm not a Christian but if God was so cruel as to not help you he should accept what you've done. I mean I'm sure everyone hear has orayd to him and their prayers haveE gone unanswered. I guess God likes it when people commit suicide or he's fix their problems since he's so high and mighty.

 

[EndItQuickly]

What is your understanding of the origins of Christianity? I'm not asking you so as to put you on the spot, but rather I keep an open mind, as well, and enjoy history.

Of course! Let me just say that I believe the church as an institution can be a wonderful thing for families and giving support to the less fortunate of society.


What I've gathered is that the only reason the western world practices christianity(an utterly bastardized version at that) is because Rome enforced it as the state religion to control the populace and for political expedience. According to some bible scholars, the story of Christ in its entirety may have been a complete fabrication. The Romans were concerned with militant Jews awaiting the coming of their "warrior king" aka an old testament kind of God. It is believed that the story of jesus was forced onto the Roman people due to his peaceful nature in the Hope's that this would pacify the populous and prevent potential uprisings.There is a ton of info out there and I'm no historian obviously lol. If you are really interested in learning more this article is good starting point:

Story of Jesus Christ was 'fabricated to pacify the poor', claims controversial Biblical scholar

Christianity was a sophisticated government propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of a the Roman Empire, claims scholar

www.google.com

There are so many other reasons to come to the conclusion that all religions are human creations; nothing more than a product of how they saw the world thousands of years ago. The author of our reality(god) would probably know some stuff about physics, astronomy, epidemiology, biology etc. Just the fact that there were many books of the bible that were not included by the choice of whatever group originally compiled it should seriously raise some eyebrows. Not to mention how we pick and choose which rules to obey for our convenience. The words of the bible have shifted from a book of literal history and truth to a collection of symbolistic allegories. This is because the more we learn the truth about the world around us, the less valid the "god did it" excuse becomes. That's how I see it anyway.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Of course! Let me just say that I believe the church as an institution can be a wonderful thing for families and giving support to the less fortunate of society.


What I've gathered is that the only reason the western world practices christianity(an utterly bastardized version at that) is because Rome enforced it as the state religion to control the populace and for political expedience. According to some bible scholars, the story of Christ in its entirety may have been a complete fabrication. The Romans were concerned with militant Jews awaiting the coming of their "warrior king" aka an old testament kind of God. It is believed that the story of jesus was forced onto the Roman people due to his peaceful nature in the Hope's that this would pacify the populous and prevent potential uprisings.There is a ton of info out there and I'm no historian obviously lol. If you are really interested in learning more this article is good starting point:

Story of Jesus Christ was 'fabricated to pacify the poor', claims controversial Biblical scholar

Christianity was a sophisticated government propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of a the Roman Empire, claims scholar

www.google.com

There are so many other reasons to come to the conclusion that all religions are human creations; nothing more than a product of how they saw the world thousands of years ago. The author of our reality(god) would probably know some stuff about physics, astronomy, epidemiology, biology etc. Just the fact that there were many books of the bible that were not included by the choice of whatever group originally compiled it should seriously raise some eyebrows. Not to mention how we pick and choose which rules to obey for our convenience. The words of the bible have shifted from a book of literal history and truth to a collection of symbolistic allegories. This is because the more we learn the truth about the world around us, the less valid the "god did it" excuse becomes. That's how I see it anyway.

Yup - I have asked pastor's questions about the bible and God to which they have no answer. I do agree that religion does play a role in a stable society—even atheists recognize this. This is provided that the Church hasn't become a cult.

And it was my understanding that Christianity became the religion of the Roman Empire due to the leader of that time had some strange lucid dream—essentially an occurrence by chance.

 

[puppy9]

I'm gonna hire a lawyer if he says otherwise. Devil's Advocate Inc. Heard they provide a free service for suicide people.

 

[Heart of Ice]

Jesus' death was practically a suicide by proxy. Martyr deaths are basically suicides. I believe God will forgive us all in the end – forgiveness is kind of his thing.

 

[HeyImEevee]

I think there's a lot of stuff that was changed through translation to suit the needs of the church and the state. Plenty of priests think there is no hell and the church had plenty of motive to threaten eternal hell. And the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the holy ghost which would be dying in blasphemy. Truthfully I don't know but there isn't an easy answer to it.

 

[toomuchgrief]

In my religion, we believe in reincarnation. If last life you did bad deeds, this life you pay it back. I must be a very evil person in my last life, therefore my reincarnate this life my son had to die at age 1.5 years old of terminal illness, and me I will plunge 2,000 feet to my death. You can't say you a good person in your last life when this life your ending is like this.
oh well, I will pay it back this life, hope I see my son on the other side.

I don't know if there is a higher being, but why my baby have to die at toddler age of terminal illness? WHY?
I lost my will to live since the death of my son. I hope that when I plunge terminal velocity to my death that be enough to pay back for my evil deeds in my last life. I hope (if there a God) God won't play me, please don't let me still be survive even plunge down 2,000 feet to rocks below.

Picture you plunge 2,000 feet to hit rocks, then wake up from coma and still know you alive bedridden and forever lost all your movements. Come on, God can't be that evil, please don't play me like this.

I believe God will forgive us, or any higher being of any religion, they will forgive us.

 

[Shakespear's Brother]

Yes. God accepts those who die by other deliberate choices that result in a person's death, and ctb is no different.

 

[Thatdude]

In my religion, we believe in reincarnation.

I was wondering something. In your religion, is there a way to break the cycle and simply not come back? Like if you want to be done with it all

 

[Throwawaysoul]

If "God" is going to forgive all those priests that fingered altar boys that bitch is going to forgive us.

btw I don't believe in God.

 

[Nem]

Well, drs are playing god when they save people's lives. I agree with throwawaysoul, priests that played with little alter boys would be the first to voyage into hell. Besides, where's god when a person is taking their lives anyways?
Peace/hugs

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

If you believe Jesus is the son of God and that he died for our sins, then yes all sins are forgiven. No human being can be truly sin free upon death because they may die in a car accident right after committing a sin and never get the chance to ask for forgiveness. The unforgivable sin is denial and rejection of the holy spirit. If the God of Christianity is the true God of love, he knows our pain, he embraces and loves all his children. I believe the only hell that exists is the one we put ourselves in. If you ever find yourself in such a place, all you have to do is forgive yourself. I was raised Christian but I have come to have a very different view of what God actually is, so my answer may not be the best. I do know that there are many Christian based religions that do not think suicide is a 1 way ticket to hell. Mormons for one have never believed that God punishes suicides. Even the catholic church has changed its position on suicide. You may go to a place of spiritual healing before you go on to the next level, or if you believe in judgement day, then you go nowhere until the resurrection, at that time I would think you could be asked to be absolved of your sins.

 

[JoeFailure]

My hope for a God is that it's one that can't control what happens here or intervene....because if they can...it would be incredibly tough to make a case for a God being good.

The other is that a higher version of us chose to put ourselves here and into these shitty situations to "learn", in which I'll have to give my spirit self a serious punch in the face for this.

 

[PDAnnie2610]

It's hard for me to believe that he wouldn't accept us because we decided to take our lives. For me, I'm really sick (mentally). He wouldn't want me to feel this much pain. I think the afterlife won't be painful and it will be happy. What do you think?

I've always struggled with this question ever since I lost a friend from my previous church community to suicide. I sometimes worry He won't but the pain can be so great for some of us - it was definitely bad for my friend... and sometimes at the depth of my despair, I couldn't care less if i burnt in all eternity - surely it beats crying by myself nightly..

 

[LMLN]

Just as a preface, I'm not trying to convert anyone. Just explaining my beliefs. I'm so thankful for a place where we can express our perspectives. This is how I see it and am just sharing this.

I do not feel I'm a part of the institutional church so much as I am part if the biblically defined "church", a "called out one". Part of the "Body of Christ". I feel the institutional church has gone wrong in so many ways.

I am a believer in Christ and I do believe that all of my sins, past present and future, were paid for at the cross. That includes suicide. He knew before He created me what I would do in life. As far as the Ten Commandments are concerned, I have broken all of them. Jesus said if you even think someone is a fool you are a murderer. I'm a murderer already! I cannot be perfect enough, that's why He had to live a perfect life and die for me.

I know ctb is not what the Lord wants for me and it's not good for my witness of Him. But I know that He loves me and knows my pain. If i do end up going by ctb i know i will be welcomed to Heaven and be with Him forever.

That's my perspective. Everyday I fight but I am growing more and more weary. I dont know if I will make it without ctb. Lately I'm just about certain I wont make it.

 

[talktomeee]

Yes. God accepts those who die by other deliberate choices that result in a person's death, and ctb is no different.

I like this logic. ctb is very intentional. However, cigarettes, sugar, everything under the sun leads to cancer and death.

 

[metalchic_74]

I believe I will go to Heaven. Jesus died on the cross for our sins our sickness. Mental Illness is a disease. It's not my fault nor anybody's fault. I've been praying and speaking to God a lot lately. I told him I don't want to suffer anymore. I'm at peace I know I'll be in his presence soon

 

[Darkhaven]

"Accept us" in what way?

 

[Tortured_empath]

There are like 3 acutal christians who replied to this thread.

 

[JoeFailure]

There are like 3 acutal christians who replied to this thread.

Doesn't that really depend on how you define a Christian?

I'm certainly not so maybe I shouldn't have responded. I'm just agnostic but was trying to look at it from that perspective.

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

I no longer believe in God's existence, but if he does exist, my thoughts are that he is the one that needs to ask for forgiveness after all the atrocities he has witnessed and yet ignored.

I hope you won't mind the question, especially since you've said you no longer believe in God (I'm agnostic).... I hear/read a lot of religious people question the "evil" in the world--why "good people" suffer. And I can't stop wondering why our suffering would matter more than the suffering of the billions of other living things so many of us (not at all suggesting you or anybody else here) willingly participate in. If we who are like gods to other beings clearly capable of suffering often choose not to intervene to lessen their suffering, why must a being like a god to us intervene to prevent or lessen our suffering?

Hope I'm not offending you by asking. Please PM me if you'd rather. Thanks for at least considering my question. Best to you...

I lost my will to live since the death of my son. ... I believe God will forgive us, or any higher being of any religion, they will forgive us.

Very sorry for your loss and your pain. <Hug>