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406metallicblue

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Sep 7, 2018
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Hi.
There seem to be many random variables with this method.

1. The size of the chamber.
2. How airtight it is.
3. The type of charcoal used.
4. How much of it is used.
5. How long it is burned for before being placed inside, taking for granted that it's placed in a metal bucket and prevented from burning the vehicle.
6. Whether you get inside the vehicle immediately or let the thing build up for a while, admitting that the opening of a door for a few seconds will reduce the CO by an unknown amount.
7. Having the whole thing fucked over by some prick wandering around in the woods.
8. How best to light the charcoal.
9. Quantity of medication.

I have been over the idea of trying to make it look like a camping accident, for the benefit of family and friends. But it seems to me that this would reduce the probability of success. So the plan is as follows.

To do some scouting and find a place where one can arrive at midnight with zero possibility of being interrupted, with some charcoal briquettes and one of those containers for setting them alight in a uniform way and without the need for lighter fuel etc which might add undesirable fumes. This addresses issues 3,7 and 8.

I still don't know how much charcoal one of these cylindrical burners can take and need to research, i'm hoping a kilo and by all accounts that would be enough for a car. Check issues 1 and 4.

Light the thing and proceed to apply gaffer tape to all the joints between doors and boot apart from the door i need for entry (i'll have to accept the possibility of ingress of air when it's shut later). Wait approximately an hour for the flames to die down and the charcoal to 'simmer' and give off less heat. Place in metal bucket and put in rear of estate car in a tin tray with water and wait 30ish minutes while consuming alcohol and diazepam. I am thinking half a bottle of something strong, 50mg diazepam and some morphine sulphate for good measure. (issue 9)

The timing of it has to be right for me not to pass out before the charcoal has built up when i finally get in. Check issues 2 and possibly 5 and 6. I'm thinking that opening the car door for a few seconds to allow me to lie across the back seats won't reduce the CO i've built up by too much, i have to be quick and basically dive in there.

Other than that i'm not sure what i might have missed or considered poorly at the moment, so feedback would be nice. And then i can do some testing. Thankyou.
 
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bbq1

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Aug 3, 2018
323
You've pretty much asked and answered all.
All chimney starters will hold 1kg. The big weber rapidfire even more but I don't think it's needed. Here it is.


A year ago or so I new nothing but learnt by practice, how to light, when the flames die off, how long it smokes etc
I guess I've had 30 bbq's since then out in the country and am now just about ready to go on Masterchef.
It comes with practice. Buy a 10kg bag of good briqettes and always use that same make for practice so it's consistent.
Use a stopwatch and note the timings of each stage the charcoal goes through. Then you'll soon have it sorted. It won't take 30 times, maybe 5 or 6.
 
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406metallicblue

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Sep 7, 2018
180
Thankyou for your input, bbq1. I have revised my plan a little and don't see the point of messing around waiting for an optimum moment when the CO is sufficient and my sleeping meds are beginning to take effect in order to enter the vehicle. It seems better to just pop the valium and morphine and get in with the coals, but knowing that the charcoal is burning at the appropriate level ie not hot enough to make it uncomfortable with the heat over several hours in the car but not cool enough to give off minimal CO. What i'm looking for is i suppose the principle that a kilo when warm to a hand placed over it at 6 inches and no longer smoking, will emit sufficient CO in a well sealed vehicle over the time available, four or five hours and not generate enough heat to fuck up the plan by waking me up despite the meds. I read that grills that were thought extinct ie no heat, can give off CO for many hours so perhaps i'm being too fussy. I have the feeling too hot is generally bad while cool might not be. regards
 
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bbq1

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Yes it's a matter of choice to get in the car at the same time you put the bbq in the rear.
Or put it in and wait 30 mins for CO to build to a high level.

There are advantages or not, for either.

After much testing and weighing up the two options I'm 51% in favour of getting in at the same time.
But do what you feel is better after you've practiced. Alcohol/benzo timing is important here.

This method is easy to overthink, over practice and try and hone to perfection. I am guilty of all three.

Last week, from here, a person (no names) achieved it with almost no experience. I'm sure most of the Japanese, taiwanese, chinese cases do too.
You need a basic amount of knowledge then it's a case of stop overthinking, just do it, when the time is right.
 
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invictaway

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Sep 9, 2018
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is a smaller car better for this or dose it not matter.
 
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Ssname

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Jun 30, 2018
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A smaller car would require less CO to reach a lethal concentration but I don't think it matters too much because it is lethal on pretty small quantities. If I only had a large car I would just use a little more charcoal
 
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invictaway

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Sep 9, 2018
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All air vents would need to tape up right this seems like something I hope to pull off soon thanks for the advice.
 
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406metallicblue

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Sep 7, 2018
180
Yes, bbq. I think i am overthinking a bit, i just dread waking up again and everything that would follow and am trying to cover everything as much as possible. We can't be certain about making this method invincible can we. No doubt some people prepare well and don't succeed and others just randomly chuck some coals in their car and get away with it.

It's always strange that in camping accidents two people can be in their tent for the same time with the same CO barbecue and yet one survives and the other not. I read somewhere that the person who died was the one with their head at the back of the tent where there was less air, and it seems that it's children who often die when there are a family in there.

Anyway, it's a question of just getting on with it. Making the vehicle as airtight as possible isn't a problem, just tape up the doors and the vents. A kilo of well burned coals in a bucket in the back. My experience is that half a dozen diazepam and some alcohol knocks me out for the night, without fail. And the rest is down to destiny.

I am constantly plagued by imagining the trauma and guilt for my mother, who is 70 and it will be dreadful for her, whether i succeed or otherwise. How do you deal with this kind of thing. I previously thought i would be able to wait until she died. One day i see the thing as just the wheel of life and death and the next i feel my responsibility to not inflict this on her, no matter how i might perceive my suffering. I guess this might be common. When i have doubts, it seems that i ought to just try to accept my difficulties no matter what, and continue to live in what seems like a daily hell and just man up, no matter what a mess it all is and how alone i feel. But the next day i just want to be free from it all, no matter what.

Hm,
 
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invictaway

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I have almost the same problems I live with my mum and she is in her 70s and it would totally desolate her if I when but I have never married or any children and I am just had it with this world all I do work and sleep.The only enjoyment is getting piss up at weekends to block out this life.So I have wanted to go for ages but feel trapped here.
 
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A car is far better to use than a tent.
The reason kids die first in tent bbq cases is that they have less blood than an adult so a certain CO level will produce more carboxyhemoglobin in them than an adult. Women have a bit less blood than men (usually) and elderly or people with poor hearts are also more vulnerable.
Car+1kg I can't see anyone surviving as long as the correct lighting/waiting procedure was done first to eradicate 'luck'
 
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406metallicblue

Student
Sep 7, 2018
180
I see your point about male/female and body mass.

An experiment was made the other day using one of those charcoal lighter tubes in my garden. It was lit with blocks of chemical impreganted wood fibre and had about a kilo. It took about 30 minutes for the coals at the top to become grey and stop smoking, by which time the thing was extremely hot at the lower half. I let it smoulder for another 30 mins and poured the contents into a steel bucket, which also quickly became exceedingly hot. My point being, this stuff is HOT when it's smouldering even after a couple of hours. I put the bucket in the back of the car resting on a water filled tray and left it for 30 minutes, after which time the car was rather hot inside. It worries me that the heat generated by this thing will wake me up despite the benzos and morphine etc.

One seems to have to find a point at which heat output in sufficently low not to cause issues. The metal and glass in cars will dissipate the heat but mine anyway has padded fabric lining on the inside roof and it contained the heat more than i was expecting. I expect 150mg of morphine sulphate and some whisky and diazepam will make me immune to heat but i tell you, that car was damn hot. this might be an issue if the temperature is warm at the time of year you're going to do it. It's about 20c at night here at present. Do it in winter?

Someone else made a point about the winter elsewhere... there are less 'normies' wandering about ready to disturb you.
 
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Sep 12, 2018
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This july, I did a test run with an 03 ford ranger 4.0L regular cab at 72deg running on north west US 89oct. co was not high enough after 45 min to be lethal. But your eyes and nose will burn. Also I felt stoned then had a major headache
 
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I'm going to split the 1kg into 2 500g parts. One will be in the rear hatchback area with parcel shelf removed. The other will be on the drivers side floor. One half will be briquettes, the other natural lumpwood charcoal.
I shall be on the passenger seat as far reclined at it'll go.
140mg diazepam, 45mg zopiclone, 50mg amitriptyline, 200ml vodka.
I bet I don't get out alive.
Car is toyota yaris (small), outside temp will be around 14℃
 
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Sep 12, 2018
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I'm going to split the 1kg into 2 500g parts. One will be in the rear hatchback area with parcel shelf removed. The other will be on the drivers side floor. One half will be briquettes, the other natural lumpwood charcoal.
I shall be on the passenger seat as far reclined at it'll go.
140mg diazepam, 45mg zopiclone, 50mg amitriptyline, 200ml vodka.
I bet I don't get out alive.
Car is toyota yaris, outside temp will be around 14℃
Let us know
 
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406metallicblue

Student
Sep 7, 2018
180
As bbq1 has said, i see no reason why a kilo of coals well smouldering in a well sealed vehicle that isn't going to get too hot won't do the business, with a decent quantity of alcohol and meds. One thing though, i'm not going to drink too much, as the urge to piss in the night can overwhelm many medications for sleep in my experience!
 
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406metallicblue

Student
Sep 7, 2018
180
Bbq, have you done tests for heat generated in the car using your method?
 
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406metallicblue

Student
Sep 7, 2018
180
I quite like the idea of putting the coals in the front and back, this might help with the heat issue and how the CO is evenly distributed in the vehicle.
 
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bbq1

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Aug 3, 2018
323
The heat test maxed at 32c but it was 24c in the car to start with so that isn't a big deal.
Starting at 14c not 24c should help furthur.
Assuming a reasonable 6000ppm level death will happen in 20-30 minutes. The heat isn't going to be an issue.
 
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406metallicblue

Student
Sep 7, 2018
180
Can i ask why you chose this method above others?
 
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406blue

Specialist
Sep 7, 2018
379
In any case, i think one has to get the coals about right but not emitting nuclear levels of heat and put them in. The point at which you take the plunge might need to be based on whether the temperature inside the vehicle is approximately what you feel is acceptable, take your meds which in my experience need 15 minutes to kick in, tape up the doors and vents and then get in through the non taped up door as you begin to feel drowsy and lie on the back seat with the coals in the open back of the estate car. By this time the meds will be kicking in and a little warmth won't be an issue, given the meds will do you for say 7 hours. This long, sealed space, not too hot, let's say 6000ppm, job done.
 
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PainAndSadness

Student
Sep 21, 2022
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Does anyone know if turning on the AC while using the charcoal CO method would be more effective in causing CO poisoning because it's reusing the same air? I've heard some people ctb by simply turning the ac on in their car in a garage because it caused CO build up
 

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