Method Carbon monoxide poisoning

[PhilistineEars]

Also the meter you are looking at is the one that reviews said was accurate to about 6,000ppm. This is still an electrochemical sensor and as such cannot accurately read high concentrations before it becomes "poisoned" or saturated. For true high close concentration detection you'd need an NDIR (non-dispersive infrared sensor). Essentially using light spectroscopy calibrated against CO's emission signature to identify the CO concentration.

This is what auto exhaust gas analyzers and lab analysis equipment use. One of the meters they had (ppeh pictures) also was an NDIR type (yellow one).

 

[Sternum]

I work in industries that use technical grade concentrations as cylinders. These go theory suppliers that you must have a registered business and use for the material before they'll ship it out.

Oh, I see. Just so I know, if someone asks me why I want CO, what's a reasonable response to not get attention? I figure you would know because you work in the industry? Could you link a meter that is accurate to higher concentrations? If I have to pay more I will.

 

[PhilistineEars]

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Really haven't found a good reason... killing gophers or other underground things, but CO has a lower explosive concentration of like 12.5% which they may say you could blow yourself up if the concentrations get too high in a confined (underground) area.

 

[Sternum]

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Really haven't found a good reason... killing gophers or other underground things, but CO has a lower explosive concentration of like 12.5% which they may say you could blow yourself up if the concentrations get too high in a confined (underground) area.

Thanks

 

[PhilistineEars]

Thanks

No problem. I have the formic and sulfuric and will have my wash chamber finished by tomorrow. This is my secondary to, hopefully, N arriving.

 

[Final Escape]

You could always practice each theory b4 u decide to go through with it. I would test out first and keep testing till it feels like it's easy to do and u aren't so nervous that it might fail. That's wat I'm going to do practice a few times to make sure there's no unanticipated mistake.

 

[weedoge]

Personally I've set up my apparatus a couple of times in the past when I backed out, so I at least have the practice there I'm just worried there'll be some unknown variable somewhere that I totally missed. I think I've got it though. Just hope to god a tent will be airtight enough to work since it's my only option for location.

 

[weedoge]

In addition to my last post, anyone got any suggestions for the best way to seal up and possible leaks in a tent? I heard certain tapes won't work because they're porous to air or CO, what material and tape could I use to block up vents the like? Would a generic plastic bag with no hole in it work if I had a suitable tape?

I'm planning to make an excursion on the day and grab all the materials I need so just name the best materials please, I'm pretty much begging for some solid info right now.

Edit: perhaps a tent with a sewn in groundsheet could be sealed up with some silicone or something similar quickly applied around the inside edge of the seam...?

 

[overkill]

the BBQ puts out a tremendous amount of heat. I tried this method in a suburban with 2 bags of match light and survived, there was heat damage to the interior of the windows and the roof, I was laying down in the back cargo area about 4 feet of clearance and noticed no heat. I woke up in the morning I could tell there was brain damage. But nothing physical was wrong.

why and how did you survive? that's horrible!

 

[overkill]

how much formic acid and sulphuric acid should be bought for making sure you die in a regular sized room?

 

[DerSonnenschein]

In the resources section you'll find a video by final exit international (download the link "bedside viewing"). In the video he demonstrates that mixing about 100ml of sulfuric and formic acid each causes the CO levels to spike to lethal levels(>20.000 ppm) in a car within seconds.

Where I live you can buy a liter of both acids for less than 15€. That should be enough to kill someone in a medium sized room within minutes or even seconds.

I recommend watching the video for how-to instructions. It looks very simple.

 

[weedoge]

why and how did you survive? that's horrible!

A mistake somewhere, if you inhale high levels of CO all night you *will* die, I always take these stories with a pinch of salt and there is a mistake somewhere.

 

[RoloTomasi]

This method doesn't seem as foolproof as it looks, these are some of the things that I suspect why attempts fail:

- the room or small space is not sealed enough. Do all holes really have to be taped, or say, an overlooked tiny gap won't really ruin the whole attempt?

- have to be already asleep in minutes after the lit charcoals are already brought in the enclosed space? I've read some failed attempts that they couldn't stand the headache and was forced to exit the room/car.

-the kind/brand of charcoal to be used. Good quality charcoal is recommended. I don't know the science of this nor do I have a meter to measure the CO level. Poor quality charcoal could turn to ash really quick. But maybe the good quality ones are "safer" when it comes to CO. I hope that all charcoal briquettes regardless of brand, produce enough CO to finish us off.

Thoughts anyone?

 

[weedoge]

This method doesn't seem as foolproof as it looks, these are some of the things that I suspect why attempts fail:

- the room or small space is not sealed enough. Do all holes really have to be taped, or say, an overlooked tiny gap won't really ruin the whole attempt?

- have to be already asleep in minutes after the lit charcoals are already brought in the enclosed space? I've read some failed attempts that they couldn't stand the headache and was forced to exit the room/car.

-the kind/brand of charcoal to be used. Good quality charcoal is recommended. I don't know the science of this nor do I have a meter to measure the CO level. Poor quality charcoal could turn to ash really quick. But maybe the good quality ones are "safer" when it comes to CO. I hope that all charcoal briquettes regardless of brand, produce enough CO to finish us off.

Thoughts anyone?

It would make sense that sealing the entire area would be the safest bet, since any kind of airflow could pull out the CO and replace it with air.

I also don't think it's necessary to already be asleep either since all the accidental deaths you hear of, they bring the coals inside somewhere and then die with apparently no warning symptoms and these aren't necessarily all asleep. If you were to get a terrible headache but still be able to remove yourself from a vehicle then why is it the most dangerous silent killer gas? I just like to take those stories with a pinch of salt and I hate to disrespect anybodies experiences but I think people make mistakes without realising and other things.

All charcoal is made from mostly carbon, CO is produced by partial combustion of the charcoal, if everything is set up correctly and the coals are smouldering, no matter the brand if you don't skimp on quantity then I think you're good to go.

 

[RoloTomasi]

It would make sense that sealing the entire area would be the safest bet, since any kind of airflow could pull out the CO and replace it with air.

I also don't think it's necessary to already be asleep either since all the accidental deaths you hear of, they bring the coals inside somewhere and then die with apparently no warning symptoms and these aren't necessarily all asleep. If you were to get a terrible headache but still be able to remove yourself from a vehicle then why is it the most dangerous silent killer gas? I just like to take those stories with a pinch of salt and I hate to disrespect anybodies experiences but I think people make mistakes without realising and other things.

All charcoal is made from mostly carbon, CO is produced by partial combustion of the charcoal, if everything is set up correctly and the coals are smouldering, no matter the brand if you don't skimp on quantity then I think you're good to go.

I'll just tape every hole or gap that I can see. Yeah, those headaches I find quite strange too, that's not how it's supposed to be, not enough CO, probably. This will also be my method soon, just wanted to make sure everything is done correctly. If not, sadly, just might resort to jumping off heights.

 

[weedoge]

I'll just tape every hole or gap that I can see. Yeah, those headaches I find quite strange too, that's not how it's supposed to be, not enough CO, probably. This will also be my method soon, just wanted to make sure everything is done correctly. If not, sadly, just might resort to jumping off heights.

I'm going in at the same time as my cools because they will smoulder overnight, taking alcohol and opiates so I'm not worried about falling asleep. Just one of those would probably help anyway.

 

[RoloTomasi]

I'm going in at the same time as my cools because they will smoulder overnight, taking alcohol and opiates so I'm not worried about falling asleep. Just one of those would probably help anyway.

You mean you are going in at the same time you are going to burn/light up the charcoal in that room/vehicle?

 

[weedoge]

You mean you are going in at the same time you are going to burn/light up the charcoal in that room/vehicle?

I'll be taking the smouldering coals in at the same time as myself, a small tent will pretty much refresh the air when I get in it anyway so there'd be little point wasting that.

 

[LostAllHope7651]

What about just bringing bbq inside the house in a room?