Canceled my first appointment with a psychiatrist

[TheGoodGuy]

Just saw this meme posted by another member a few days ago and it´s fucking perfect it describes my situation perfectly! I have thought about canceling this appointment for weeks. Because of the law I can´t fully open up otherwise I will have my guns taken away so if they ask me if I am depressed or suicidal then I just think "the law requires me to say no" because that is true I legally own firearms and if I say the wrong things or they diagnose me with a diagnosis that deems me not fit to be owning a firearm then I am fucked.

Also It´s 3am in Denmark right now and I can´t get myself to bed I have nothing to do and will soon feel hungry again but I can´t get myself to bed it´s so frustrating!

 

[onewayroad]

View attachment 3530 Just saw this meme posted by another member a few days ago and it´s fucking perfect it describes my situation perfectly! I have thought about canceling this appointment for weeks. Because of the law I can´t fully open up otherwise I will have my guns taken away so if they ask me if I am depressed or suicidal then I just think "the law requires me to say no" because that is true I legally own firearms and if I say the wrong things or they diagnose me with a diagnosis that deems me not fit to be owning a firearm then I am fucked.

Also It´s 3am in Denmark right now and I can´t get myself to bed I have nothing to do and will soon feel hungry again but I can´t get myself to bed it´s so frustrating!

I've never had a problem avoiding saying that I am suicidal or have a plan for suicide. I just say that I'm not coping or something along those lines. And if I'm asked directly if I'm suicidal or planning suicide I just say something like 'I don't want to commit suicide', which is true. But I'm still planning to as a last option and I have made thorough plans, written notes etc. It's just a matter of telling the right part of the truth.

I personally think it's very important to try every alternative before choosing suicide, and seeing a psychiatrist might help some people. So I would encourage you to try and see a psychiatrist, just have a plan for what to say if you're asked certain questions.

 

[worldexploder]

I found a way to tell my therapists that I'm suicidal without coming off as "suicidal" so to speak.

I talk politics basically. I told them in a very clear manner that I, like everyone else, should have the universal right to die. Then go on to explain my position in such a way that they can't come up with a counter argument. I do assert that even though I want to die, I wouldn't do it unless it was legalized and supervised under professionals (that's a lie but I don't want to alert the white coats). I bring up laws they have in the Netherlands, Belgium, and Switzerland.

My former counciler disagreed with my position and asserted that if it was legal he would lose money (hence why I walked out on him). My current psychiatrist actually agrees with my position! I have a way of getting these people to talk to me like a colleagues instead of a patient. I can come off as surprisingly well spoken for someone who is miserable.

I wouldn't tell this to just any psychologists. Got to get to know them. You gotta be very careful on how you word things as well.

 

[TAW122]

I like this meme and also it's a good idea to cancel imho because you never know what may set off the psychiatrist's alarm bells. As for those who are brave enough to tell them about the right to die and what not, I'd admire your courage and bravery to take such a risk. I just personally wouldn't because of the risks. I'm in the US by the way.

I found a way to tell my therapists that I'm suicidal without coming off as "suicidal" so to speak.

I talk politics basically. I told them in a very clear manner that I, like everyone else, should have the universal right to die. Then go on to explain my position in such a way that they can't come up with a counter argument. I do assert that even though I want to die, I wouldn't do it unless it was legalized and supervised under professionals (that's a lie but I don't want to alert the white coats). I bring up laws they have in the Netherlands, Belgium, and Switzerland.

My former counciler disagreed with my position and asserted that if it was legal he would lose money (hence why I walked out on him). My current psychiatrist actually agrees with my position! I have a way of getting these people to talk to me like a colleagues instead of a patient. I can come off as surprisingly well spoken for someone who is miserable.

I wouldn't tell this to just any psychologists. Got to get to know them. You gotta be very careful on how you word things as well.

That's really good that you are able to find someone who agrees with your views and doesn't see you as a threat or treats you like a child or patient. Also, yes wording is very important and given that I'm bad at wording things sometimes, it's just better that I don't even take the risk (only speaking for myself here).

 

[TheGoodGuy]

I've never had a problem avoiding saying that I am suicidal or have a plan for suicide. I just say that I'm not coping or something along those lines. And if I'm asked directly if I'm suicidal or planning suicide I just say something like 'I don't want to commit suicide', which is true. But I'm still planning to as a last option and I have made thorough plans, written notes etc. It's just a matter of telling the right part of the truth.

I personally think it's very important to try every alternative before choosing suicide, and seeing a psychiatrist might help some people. So I would encourage you to try and see a psychiatrist, just have a plan for what to say if you're asked certain questions.

I found a way to tell my therapists that I'm suicidal without coming off as "suicidal" so to speak.

I talk politics basically. I told them in a very clear manner that I, like everyone else, should have the universal right to die. Then go on to explain my position in such a way that they can't come up with a counter argument. I do assert that even though I want to die, I wouldn't do it unless it was legalized and supervised under professionals (that's a lie but I don't want to alert the white coats). I bring up laws they have in the Netherlands, Belgium, and Switzerland.

My former counciler disagreed with my position and asserted that if it was legal he would lose money (hence why I walked out on him). My current psychiatrist actually agrees with my position! I have a way of getting these people to talk to me like a colleagues instead of a patient. I can come off as surprisingly well spoken for someone who is miserable.

I wouldn't tell this to just any psychologists. Got to get to know them. You gotta be very careful on how you word things as well.

The thing is that even though I don´t say I am suicidal or depressed the shrink can still end up writing down I have depression if he feels like I meet the criteria for the diagnosis.

I know you say that I can just say it in a different manner without literally saying I am suicidal maybe that works where you live but it certainly wouldn´t in Denmark. If I started talking to a shrink about how I think that everyone should be able to choose when to die then it´s a red flag and I know it doesn´t matter whether I say I am planning for it or just coping anything that just gives a hint of suicidal behavior will be a red flag and one of the signs of suicidal behavior is talking about it so I know for a fact that this would go bad for me. Also if I start talking and say that my sleep pattern is fucked up since I go late to bed and get up late and have reduced appetite etc. all of these small things fits the depression diagnosis so even though you guys think you are in control it doesn´t take much to slip up for this expert to give us a diagnosis. Also if want to talk about my problems I want to do it without having to do it like playing a game of chess where I need to say the right things in order not to get check mate by the shrink if you get what I am saying?

I know the shrink writes down everything we talk about so if I talk about my view on suicide even though I say I am not suicidal then I am sure it won´t end good for me, maybe you can get away with that in your country but where I live they will use everything against me.
And I too can come off as extremely well spoken and even looking confident when I am outside the apartment I don´t look like a depressed fucker who is about to ctb I walk with a straigh back, head held high looking forward and when I speak to people I speak as if I am very confident because I know perception is everything. Hell I am even member of a gun club and in Denmark the chairman of the gun club can take back our firearms license if he starts to see some worrying behavior like if a person starts to become an addict some shit like that so I know how important it is for the world to perceive me as I want it to.

 

[Jen Erik]

I just think "the law requires me to say no" because that is true I legally own firearms and if I say the wrong things or they diagnose me with a diagnosis that deems me not fit to be owning a firearm then I am fucked.

Yeah, that's shitty for sure, that it's like that.

I've always been open and explicit with my therapist about my plans, and she encourages that openness, but now as shit is getting more real for me – ordering the stuff I need to ctb, etc. – I feel like I need to really start filtering what I say, because there comes a time when a therapist needs to differentiate ideation from active suicidality and the professional/legal obligation to report the latter here in the U.S.

 

[Lra888]

Even when I really wanted help from them it ended up being a waste of time because I couldn't be honest about my desperate situation. Mental Health Industry has a specific procedure which includes hospitalization if I say certain things about my life. It's awful that there is no alternative.

 

[MAIO]

I found a way to tell my therapists that I'm suicidal without coming off as "suicidal" so to speak.

I talk politics basically. I told them in a very clear manner that I, like everyone else, should have the universal right to die. Then go on to explain my position in such a way that they can't come up with a counter argument. I do assert that even though I want to die, I wouldn't do it unless it was legalized and supervised under professionals (that's a lie but I don't want to alert the white coats). I bring up laws they have in the Netherlands, Belgium, and Switzerland.

My former counciler disagreed with my position and asserted that if it was legal he would lose money (hence why I walked out on him). My current psychiatrist actually agrees with my position! I have a way of getting these people to talk to me like a colleagues instead of a patient. I can come off as surprisingly well spoken for someone who is miserable.

I wouldn't tell this to just any psychologists. Got to get to know them. You gotta be very careful on how you word things as well.

The nail is the coffin for me is the psychiatry profession as a whole is not a trustworthy profession. They either lie or are extremely misinformed for being so educated. For instance let look at the biggest seller is psychiatry; SRRI antidepressants.

Pharma company "Sir lack of the neurotransmitter serotonin causes depression."

Psychiatry "Great where is your evidence? "

Pharma company "I was just saying how I feel. "

Psychiatry "Are we going to ask if the patient is lacking anything that commonly causes depression like vitamin d, social interactions, no exercise, etc?"

Pharma company "Nope case closed. You will go with this"

Psychiatry "Ofcourse anything to sell more pills"

And the general public still believes it. It's just like how doctors would tell patients opiates were not addictive 10 years ago even though they know they were addictive.

SRRI they typically give tend to work like steroids-not fixing an imbalance. It doesn't help that they also have develop drugs to treat depression by reducing chemicals such as serotonin. Chemical imbalance is really saying it could be anything, but instead they lied and said it was just a lack of a specific neurotransmitter so they could sell more pills, even though they have never even attempted to define what normal is. If they said this is "sometimes something neurological but we're not sure how it works" rather than "depression is just a lack of x chemical" I wouldn't have a problem with it. Instead they lie.


https://kellybroganmd.com/depression-serotonin/

 

[Shewaitsforme]

Even when I really wanted help from them it ended up being a waste of time because I couldn't be honest about my desperate situation. Mental Health Industry has a specific procedure which includes hospitalization if I say certain things about my life. It's awful that there is no alternative.

Same here, scared to be honest but since getting out the psych ward 3 weeks ago ive detriorated. Its taken along time for me to accept im unwell. The doctor called me friday and asked me to come in tomorrow morning, if i dont go they will call the mental health team anyway. Feel like its my final chance to come clean and get help. If it fails then i can still go through with CTB so what have i got to loose, im not worried anymore about going into hospital, im behind on bills, rent, dont go out barely anyway.

 

[Shewaitsforme]

Ive actually come across 1 psychiatrist on a psych ward who does not believe in people being sectioned and does not advocate medication sttaight away. Thing is he was disgnosed with a mental health problem in his teens and was sectioned. He managed to get a job in his field by not declaring it on his application. Later confessed and still works. He teaches people how to live with their voices, understands how to speak with suicidal people without alarms going off. I cant see him now ive been discharged but hopefully whoever im referred to next will be more like him instead of making me feel i cant be honest and close down