C_F
Experienced
- Jul 31, 2019
- 242
Yes you can.
The odds of dying are around 2%, but after more testing happens, that percent will likely be lower. Keep in mind most people who die are 70+ years old. So if you're not in that range, your chances of dying are extremely, extremely low.
The odds of dying are around 2%, but after more testing happens, that percent will likely be lower. Keep in mind most people who die are 70+ years old. So if you're not in that range, your chances of dying are extremely, extremely low.
Maybe? If a doctor thinks that you are mentally incapable or can convince your family of taking control of your choices they can 'over-ride" your wishes.
Also, the maybe normally true in the regular medical world but we do have the Quarantine Act implemented after SARs
2. Quarantine and Other Powers
Health officials in the provinces and territories have extensive powers under various "health acts" to protect the public against pandemics and public health emergencies. For example, section 22 of Ontario's Health Protection and Promotion Act[40] provides that a medical officer of health may, through a written order, "require a person to take or to refrain from taking any action that is specified in the order in respect of a communicable disease" if this officer has "reasonable and probable grounds" to believe
- (a) that a communicable disease exists or may exist or that there is an immediate risk of an outbreak of a communicable disease in the health unit served by the medical officer of health;
- (b) that the communicable disease presents a risk to the health of persons in the health unit served by the medical officer of health; and
- (c) that the requirements specified in the order are necessary in order to decrease or eliminate the risk to health presented by the communicable disease.[41]
- (a) requiring the owner or occupier of premises to close the premises or a specific part of the premises;
- (b) requiring the placarding of premises to give notice of an order requiring the closing of the premises;
- (c) requiring any person that the order states has or may have a communicable disease or is or may be infected with an agent of a communicable disease to isolate himself or herself and remain in isolation from other persons;
- (d) requiring the cleaning or disinfecting, or both, of the premises or the thing specified in the order;
- (e) requiring the destruction of the matter or thing specified in the order;
- (f) requiring the person to whom the order is directed to submit to an examination by a physician and to deliver to the medical officer of health a report by the physician as to whether or not the person has a communicable disease or is or is not infected with an agent of a communicable disease;
- (g) requiring the person to whom the order is directed in respect of a communicable disease that is a virulent disease to place himself or herself forthwith under the care and treatment of a physician;
- (h) requiring the person to whom the order is directed to conduct himself or herself in such a manner as not to expose another person to infection.[42]
These powers are about to be expanded.....
autumnal
Enlightened
- Feb 4, 2020
- 1,950
Odds of death are very unlikely unless you are in one of the vulnerable groups (elderly, immunocompromised, have other chronic health conditions).
In most countries you can refuse any kind of medical treatment as long as you are mentally competent to do so.
One difference with COVID-19 is that while treatment may be optional, isolation is usually compulsory under emergency public health legislation. So if you did catch it, you'd either be under enforced isolation at home with checks from authorities, or more likely enforced hospitalisation where your refusal of treatment would at the very least come under greater scrutiny.
In most countries you can refuse any kind of medical treatment as long as you are mentally competent to do so.
One difference with COVID-19 is that while treatment may be optional, isolation is usually compulsory under emergency public health legislation. So if you did catch it, you'd either be under enforced isolation at home with checks from authorities, or more likely enforced hospitalisation where your refusal of treatment would at the very least come under greater scrutiny.
The vast majority of infections do not require any treatment at all. You stay home, maybe take OTC meds to relieve some symptoms, and let the disease run its course.
Even if you are one of the few cases that develop pneumonia or other life-threatening complications and require supportive treatment (ventilator in particular)... no health care provider or public official is going to come looking for you and drag you to the hospital for forced treatment. The system is overwhelmed enough with people who need and want hospitalization.
Though my guess is that IF you develop pneumonia or other severe complications you will be BEGGING for help. Even if you wanted to die, you likely wouldn't be able to withstand the prolonged agony.
Even if you are one of the few cases that develop pneumonia or other life-threatening complications and require supportive treatment (ventilator in particular)... no health care provider or public official is going to come looking for you and drag you to the hospital for forced treatment. The system is overwhelmed enough with people who need and want hospitalization.
Though my guess is that IF you develop pneumonia or other severe complications you will be BEGGING for help. Even if you wanted to die, you likely wouldn't be able to withstand the prolonged agony.
If you are young, The odds of dying very small. Far less than 1%. The numbers are inflated because most cases are not reported but ALL deaths are.
Darkhaven
All i have left is memories
- May 19, 2019
- 979
In my country you can so far (formally). But there have been reports of infected people escaping from the hospital and being caught by the police and taken back against their will.
There's also talk of changing our Constitution in order to make it possible to compulsively section sick people as long as they represent a danger to the public health. Guess what argument the people who want to do this are pushing? -"If allow it for mental health patients (to be sectioned) then we should also be able to do it to patients infected with highly infectious diseases, as these represent a bigger danger overall"...
There's also talk of changing our Constitution in order to make it possible to compulsively section sick people as long as they represent a danger to the public health. Guess what argument the people who want to do this are pushing? -"If allow it for mental health patients (to be sectioned) then we should also be able to do it to patients infected with highly infectious diseases, as these represent a bigger danger overall"...
There was a priest in Italy who gave up his ventilator so someone with greater odds of survival could have it and then he died shortly thereafter.
brainpain2
Student
- Sep 16, 2019
- 126
Don't tell public health you are sick. You may be for ced into a test and treatment to curb the spread
heheb27595
Member
- Nov 20, 2019
- 94
Only old people or with pre-existing condition. The media and government if full of shit.
Only care about the selfish elderly at the expense of the younger, they don't care about us even if they have to shut down everything.
Only care about the selfish elderly at the expense of the younger, they don't care about us even if they have to shut down everything.
UpandDownPrincess
Elementalist
- Dec 31, 2019
- 833
For the moment, but it will change. In a public health emergency, the government can (and will) compel treatment. Think of it as being sectioned, but for physical reasons. Your best bet is to tell no one if you spike a fever and feel pressure in your lungs.
Exactly, this is why there are so many unreported cases..People just stay home and hide for fear of being controlled.
heheb27595
Member
- Nov 20, 2019
- 94
Sure you can. Just stay at home and cough and splutter into a towel. That will be a self correcting problem
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We I'm sure I've currently got it, my lungs are heavy like someone put cement in them. went from running 10 km to out of breath in 5 minutes... that said it not processing at all. Just my luck.
I'm not getting tested so that I can have choice, and not infecting others.
I'm not getting tested so that I can have choice, and not infecting others.
Thats a lie I live in NY. There have been alot of cases where healthy individuals ages 21 36 39 18 passed. So your information is not accurate
Finally someone gets it
While you are not allowed to refuse quarantine orders, you can refuse treatment even if your on sight quarantine.
heheb27595
Member
- Nov 20, 2019
- 94
In China, about 80% of deaths were in those over 60, and 75% had pre-existing health conditions including cardiovascular diseases and diabetes. Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment. Older people, and those with underlying medical problems like cardiovascular disease, diabetes, chronic respiratory disease, and cancer are more likely to develop serious illness. https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus#tab=tab_1
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C_F
Experienced
- Jul 31, 2019
- 242
No need to say I am lying.
I said "most people who die" are older. I stand by it, indeed, most people who succumb to this virus are of the older population. No doubt very young people have passed and will continue to do so :(
Also, I was speaking generally about this considering the impact of this on the entire world's population, not one specific city. Today though, I read, "New Yorkers older than 75 have the highest coronavirus-related hospitalization rate."
When hundreds of thousands of people get sick, certainly there will be young people dying too. 82% of the people who have died in NY had health issues. The OP, I believe, is a healthy young individual, so her chances of getting COVID-19 and dying are certainly extremely low. This was answering the question she asked.
I'm open minded though and not always right, if people of all ages are equally dying (just as many younger people than older), please send me this source. Thanks!
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k75
L'appel du Vide
- Jun 27, 2019
- 2,546
I hate to say it, but yes, the old rules about who's susceptible seem to no longer apply. One of my best friends is really worried because the two age groups that are being hit hardest in her area are people in their 40s and 20s that weren't really compromised. It's getting scarier and less predictable.
Why are so many young people being hospitalized with severe cases of coronavirus?
A teen in Los Angeles could be the first person under 18 to die of the disease in the U.S., and nearly 54% of hospitalized coronavirus patients in New York...
www.marketwatch.com
And this is just one city, but my city is showing similar stats, and as far as I can tell it's the same in a lot of places. The deaths I'm hearing about are in those younger groups, but I'm too tired to keep looking for documentation. I'm sure it's not hard to find, though.
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C_F
Experienced
- Jul 31, 2019
- 242
I hate to say it, but yes, the old rules about who's susceptible seem to no longer apply. One of my best friends is really worried because the two age groups that are being hit hardest in her area are people in their 40s and 20s that weren't really compromised. It's getting scarier and less predictable.
Why are so many young people being hospitalized with severe cases of coronavirus?
A teen in Los Angeles could be the first person under 18 to die of the disease in the U.S., and nearly 54% of hospitalized coronavirus patients in New York...
And this is just one city, but my city is showing similar stats, and as far as I can tell it's the same in a lot of places. The deaths I'm hearing about are in those younger groups, but I'm too tired to keep looking for documentation. I'm sure it's not hard to find, though.
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Yeah, the young specific deaths of people do tend to headline since it's more rare.
heheb27595
Member
- Nov 20, 2019
- 94
CUT YOUR BULLSHIT.
IT IS NOT EQUALLY DIING.
"While there's no question that the elderly and those with underlying conditions have been affected much more than other age group "
"However, 50% of the city's 366 total deaths were people older than 75, and 97% of the deaths were people who had underlying conditions "
"The data that we've seen from a number of countries is that the majority of children that are infected are experiencing mild disease,"
DEATH CASES BY GENDER
IT IS NOT EQUALLY DIING.
"While there's no question that the elderly and those with underlying conditions have been affected much more than other age group "
"However, 50% of the city's 366 total deaths were people older than 75, and 97% of the deaths were people who had underlying conditions "
"The data that we've seen from a number of countries is that the majority of children that are infected are experiencing mild disease,"
Only 5 death, not representative at all.
DEATH CASES BY GENDER
| GENDER | NUMBER | % OF CASES |
|---|---|---|
| Male | 0 | |
| Female | 5 | 100% |
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sorry i was speaking from an american point of view, generally all adults are seen as competent to make their own medical choices until a court deems otherwise.
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