Can we stop the ‘at peace’ narrative?

[Tortured_empath]

I know it's a nice saying, but for all we know, death isn't peace, death isn't anything. You don't achieve peace of mind by destroying it, just like you don't fix a computer by throwing it in the trash. It creates an unhealthy discourse about suicide. Thank you.

 

[LastFlowers]

Well I'm pretty sure I won't be feeling any peace or anything at all when I'm dead, so I can't argue with that logic.
If I were ever to announce my farewell on here, I would simply ask for some luck in ending my life as quickly as possible, successfully.

Still, it's better than "sending my prayers". I shiver at the thought of that being said when I'm gone. Not here, but elsewhere, amongst my religious family and their friends.

The community would have to come up with something better to say without being seen as encouraging, if you want to get rid of the "wish you peace" banality, might you also want to suggest an alternative..?

 

[Sweet emotion]

I know it's a nice saying, but for all we know, death isn't peace, death isn't anything. You don't achieve peace of mind by destroying it, just like you don't fix a computer by throwing it in the trash. It creates an unhealthy discourse about suicide. Thank you.

What would you like everyone to say? I'm just saying what I feel. If people find it annoying they don't have to read it. My intentions are always good. Many of us have no peace in our lives so that is why we say it.

 

[Dawn0071111]

I think peace is used because there are so many violent ways to die... i think a person can experince a peaceful dying process... depending on the amount of time thier method takes till one is unconscious.. take sn for example looks like there is an average of 20-30min till one is unconscious... i can wish for that person experince peace during that time period...

I think that's one of the reasons why the word is used... but not sure how it creates un healthy disourse about death?

 

[BPD_LE]

Not everyone thinks in the same way. Can't we just accept others well intentioned words without judgement, even if we disagree. I don't believe in God but if someone says they will pray for me, I accept it as the kind gesture intended.

 

[Tortured_empath]

I don't mean to discredit anyones sympathy and everyone is allowed to day what they want, but if you go killing yourself expecting peace, you're going to be disappointed, at least for all we know. Maybe we could say 'sorry it has come to this' or something.

 

[ronigail9]

I don't mean to discredit anyones sympathy and everyone is allowed to day what they want, but if you go killing yourself expecting peace, you're going to be disappointed, at least for all we know. Maybe we could say 'sorry it has come to this' or something.

but then you are coming from a narrative where suicide is seen as bad and life would be better if it could. I'm not sorry it is coming to this for myself. The sooner I have the courage to liberate myself from this body, the better.

 

[Soul]

I strongly recommend letting people say what they feel is suitable. I also recommend thinking about what's suitable to say.

@Tortured_empath, it would be way more effective to lead by example instead of trying to tell others what not to say.

 

[LonelyLight]

I think people should say what they want to say.
I say "I hope you find peace" because in my personal belief, after we die, be it by suicide or natural causes or whatever, I believe we go to a place of peace and calm and love.
That's just my own little thoughts tho. I do respect that others think differently.

 

[Elias]

When I say "he/she is at peace", I mean that the person is free from the burden of living in a problematic situation they can't bear, and is now not experience suffering. In a way, it's peaceful, and those who stay behind are the one witnessing the fact that this person won't suffer anymore and we want to express it as best we can. So no, I won't stop this "narrative". :)

 

[heylightiforgot]

I know it's a nice saying, but for all we know, death isn't peace, death isn't anything. You don't achieve peace of mind by destroying it, just like you don't fix a computer by throwing it in the trash. It creates an unhealthy discourse about suicide. Thank you.

I agree with you. The thought of having to end my life primarily due to circumstances beyond my control (abuse, chronic illness etc.) feels sickening. There is so much I cherish in life and I can't bear to leave it behind, even though I have no choice. The notion of being 'at peace' via non-existence provides me with no comfort. What I desperately want is peace here on earth.

 

[Azul]

I have wished peace to someone here, but thinking about it, what we really try to achieve is not properly peace but just total absence of feeling, nothingness

 

[snowball]

I don't mean to discredit anyones sympathy and everyone is allowed to day what they want, but if you go killing yourself expecting peace, you're going to be disappointed, at least for all we know. Maybe we could say 'sorry it has come to this' or something.

With all due respect, but your logic is a bit confusing. How does the disappointment feels like?

 

[Rachel74]

I know it's a nice saying, but for all we know, death isn't peace, death isn't anything. You don't achieve peace of mind by destroying it, just like you don't fix a computer by throwing it in the trash. It creates an unhealthy discourse about suicide. Thank you.

Death is peace for those is pain!

 

[Darkhaven]

For some people, nothing at all may mean peace.
It's important to respect other people's views on death, specially in a website that has free will and a pro choice perspective at the top of its principles.
This post is, of course, an expression of your personal opinions of what death is or means.
And it's a valid opinion.
But that doesn't make it any different of a post where someone asks other's to stop thinking of life as a burden, because in that person's view it is a gift. Or a post where, someone who thinks that there is no good and evil, exorts people into behaving just as they want with no regards for the laws or moral rules of this world.
Where there is subjective matter, you shouldn't be ordering people what to think.

 

[Rachel74]

For some people, nothing at all may mean peace.
It's important to respect other people's views on death, specially in a website that has free will and a pro choice perspective at the top of its principles.
This post is, of course, an expression of your personal opinions of what death is or means.
And it's a valid opinion.
But that doesn't make it any different of a post where someone asks other's to stop thinking of life as a burden, because in that person's view it is a gift. Or a post where, someone who thinks that there is no good and evil, exorts people into behaving just as they want with no regards for the laws or moral rules of this world.
Where there is subjective matter, you shouldn't be ordering people what to think.

I never would, freedom of choice my friend x

 

[sleepless]

I think although we may not share the same views, most of us are here for mostly the same reason, and seeking the same destination. We as humans do find comfort in wordings, thus maybe some words shouldn't be taken too literally, especially if they are meant mostly in good will.

Perhaps treat it as a metaphor instead, or maybe even sort of an euphemism. If it helps that someone find assuagement with his/her mortality, I don't find it an issue on my side. Death is a great leveler.

 

[Sunset Limited]

I agree with you. There is no peace in nothing. Actually, I don't want peace. Because peace is a concept of this world.

 

[restingspot]

I know it's a nice saying, but for all we know, death isn't peace, death isn't anything. You don't achieve peace of mind by destroying it, just like you don't fix a computer by throwing it in the trash. It creates an unhealthy discourse about suicide. Thank you.

They're at peace because the end result is preferable to whatever horrors they were living with on Earth.

 

[Jean4]

I know it's a nice saying, but for all we know, death isn't peace, death isn't anything. You don't achieve peace of mind by destroying it, just like you don't fix a computer by throwing it in the trash. It creates an unhealthy discourse about suicide. Thank you.

I disagree. I believe peace is nothingness, so death is the epitome of peace.

 

[woxihuanni]

I get a little bit suspicious when I see terms like 'unhealthy discourse'. What is happening is that some of us are dying here because life is not bearable anymore, and the rest of us are sitting at their deathbedside so they don't die alone. We are not having a nice healthy discussion that'd be stamped with approval by a shrink. We are saying, I hope your suffering is over. That is what peace means in this context. There is nothing wrong with it.

 

[Blackjack]

I know it's a nice saying, but for all we know, death isn't peace, death isn't anything. You don't achieve peace of mind by destroying it, just like you don't fix a computer by throwing it in the trash. It creates an unhealthy discourse about suicide. Thank you.

So now we've got people trying to dictate what others say to people as they transition from this hell on earth to peaceful nothingness? Absurd. Next!

 

[Stan]

So now we've got people trying to dictate what others say to people as they transition from this hell on earth to peaceful nothingness? Absurd. Next!

Can we stop saying 'transition' and use 'relocated by choice'?

 

[woxihuanni]

Can we stop saying 'transition' and use 'relocated by choice'?

I find that offensive, can we say removed to another dimension?

 

[Stan]

I find that offensive, can we say removed to another dimension?

I find the word 'offensive' to be offensive

 

[shango]

@Stan @woxihuanni You guys are a riot. I love you

 

[woxihuanni]

I find the word 'offensive' to be offensive

*Runs away crying and beats the pillow helplessly*

 

[Stan]

*Runs away crying and beats the pillow helplessly*

Bullying soft furnishings now! When will this madness stop?!

 

[Tortured_empath]

So now we've got people trying to dictate what others say to people as they transition from this hell on earth to peaceful nothingness? Absurd. Next!

Relax, I'm stating my opinion on something I think is important and serious. I don't want to police what people are saying, but I am free to have an opinion and start a debate about it. Words matter. And I don't want someone expecting nothingness to be peaceful, because relief requires conciousness. And that snide 'next' comment is very arrogant considering I'm pretty soberly stating my opinion.

 

[woxihuanni]

Bullying soft furnishings now! When will this madness stop?!

I did try to communicate and compromise with the pillow! It was not receptive. I need to be rehabilitated, not punished. :(