Can SN be staged as a natural death?

[botanist_dude]

What the title says.

Life has just become unlivable for me. I'm on the verge of becoming homeless and I can't drag my family into my miserable hole. My wife and my kid can stay with my in-laws so that's taken care of, but not me. Too long to explain but I'm not welcome anywhere anymore at this point (not their fault really, it's all on me).

However... I have a pretty big life insurance from the government and a private one that I got a long time ago. Recently most of my coworkers have seen my having a lot of health issues. Adding to that, I'm obese, smoker and a drinker. So it won't be surprinsing to them that I'd just die.

My plan is to take SN during office hours, get rid of everything (fortunately I am in charge of disposing the trash so that will be easy) and just wait for the chemical to take effect by the time I'm leaving my job. I'll just send a text to my wife saying "I don't feel good" and hoping I'll be starting to die. By the time any cops or ambulence get here, I'll probably be dead. Some points to consider
- I live in a very poor country so the state doesn't conduct autopsies unless someone pays for them. Too many people die daily here so they think is pointless
- This office and this building is really old, and many people have died here before since this is a healthcare center. Another death won't impact anything
- The government life insurance is given to the widow regarless of how the spouse died. So that's a relief

I have TWO concerns:
- Timing: that I'll die way later my exit hours, or way before. Both would mean a hindrance to my idea of staging it like a natural death
- The discoloring of the mouth and skin. There are people here who are well trained in poisons, so I'm afraid they could know I actually CTB instead of thinking it was a natural death

What do you guys think?

 

[LaVieEnRose]

I don't think you can count on that. I think your postmortem appearance will make it clear it it wasn't natural, or cast significant doubt. Of course any slightest bit of investigation will disprove that quickly.

 

[rozeske]

The look of SN death is distinctly different than natural death, especially to people well trained in poison control. In most cases insurance companies go to lengths in investigating the death so as not to pay, unless your Insurance policy includes suicides.

 

[botanist_dude]

I don't think so. I think your appearance will make it clear it it wasn't natural. Of course any slightest bit of investigation will disprobe that quickly.

So no. Is it really that obvious? isn't there a slight chance to stage it?

The look of SN death is distinctly different than natural death, especially to people well trained in poison control. In most cases insurance companies go to lengths in investigating the death so as not to pay, unless your Insurance policy includes suicides.

Half my insurance covers suicide, but that's it.

 

[DarknessInMe]

As stated in this thread, SN poisoning works by converting the hemoglobine in your blood into methaemoglobine which cannot bind oxygen. This leads to a very characteristic change of your blood colour into chocolate brown and disease called "methaemoglobinaemia". While there are diseases that can lead to elevated methaemoglobine in blood, I don't know whether a sudden change in ones concentration of methaemoglobine is possible just due to specific diseases. As far as I know, it is way more likely (possibly even the only explanation) that your symptoms leading to your death will be recognized as a result of poisoning.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Not only does your blood turn into a very distinctive color that any coroner would be able to identify, but the sodium nitrite itself will be very easy to find in your body as well. If your goal is to die a mysterious and vague death, then SN is probably one of the worst possible methods.

 

[botanist_dude]

Not only does your blood turn into a very distinctive color that any coroner would be able to identify, but the sodium nitrite itself will be very easy to find in your body as well. If your goal is to die a mysterious and vague death, then SN is probably one of the worst possible methods.

Thanks, this is really helpful. Do you know if there are sources here to stage a suicide as a natural death?

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Thanks, this is really helpful. Do you know if there are sources here to stage a suicide as a natural death?

Off the top of my head, stroke or heart attack are the main causes that come to mind. Maybe if you have epilepsy then a seizure could work but it would be particularly painful. There aren't really any reliable ways to guarantee success with these like a stroke especially could leave you permanently brain damaged. Unless you plan on waiting multiple decades to actually die of natural causes then I guess all that's left is to try to orchestrate accidents like choking on your own vomit in a drunken binge or by pretending to be oblivious while walking into traffic. None of these strategies are pretty either.

 

[botanist_dude]

Not only does your blood turn into a very distinctive color that any coroner would be able to identify, but the sodium nitrite itself will be very easy to find in your body as well. If your goal is to die a mysterious and vague death, then SN is probably one of the worst possible methods.

It definitely seems that way. Thanks for the output

 

[FireFox]

No because toxicology reports show the drugs and substances you ingested. I watch a lot of true crime documentaries and the police and investigators use toxicology reports to work out how a person died.

 

[theEndCH]

Fatal methaemoglobinemia due to intentional sodium nitrite ingestion | BMJ Case Reports

TW: blood, human meat

 

[theboy]

Not really

 

[JFED]

The look of SN death is distinctly different than natural death, especially to people well trained in poison control. In most cases insurance companies go to lengths in investigating the death so as not to pay, unless your Insurance policy includes suicides.

Hit the nail on the head with the "look" comment. I'm a paramedic and I can tell you it looks very evident.

 

[J&L383]

If there is any kind of a autopsy done, and if there's insurance involved they will probably be do some "checking" (although my understanding is autopsies are fairly expensive), it will be chancy. I believe amitriptyline can produce a heart attack, which if they let that go would be okay but if they check for any trace drugs in your system they may find that. The only way to not leave a trace is to do the inert gas method, but then you'd have to have an accomplice remove the materials of that. .

Or a car or motorcycle accident or falling down a steep trail.

But definitely not with SN.