Can one not just bleed out through a vein access?

[AnotherTragicName]

Comparable to donating blood. Maybe one can even suck it out with a syringe, step by step, till one loses consciousness?
Of course this requires a little bit of equiptment, of which i don't know how to obtain it.

Pro: Absolutely painless

Con: Lots of time to reconsider (compared to the "one decision" approaches like gunshot, jumping, hanging...)
Potentially disturbing (probably depends on your personality)

 

[bored_user]

if done manually, I believe that at the moment near death your body will act with the defense mechanism, preventing you from continuing the process showing various symptoms of giving up or something like that.

 

[AnotherTragicName]

Yeah I get you... the process will probably take quite a while, even when you donate 500 ml of blood it takes several minutes, and when you do it manualy, it probably takes longer...
I guess you need to be really determined for that, otherwise, SI, you probably go to the hospital... good luck explaining your blood loss without getting into the psych ward

 

[Crimsonghost3]

Im all for some form of blood letting or emptying yourself of blood but I don't believe their is anyway to make it quick it takes a good long while to empty enough blood to be fatal especially if you are looking for a more pain free method. Out by a syringe would take far too long and your pass out before it became fatal probably you'd really need some heavy equipment to make sure it keeps draining and you'd need ample time to not be found so they couldn't save you

 

[Smart No More]

It's an interesting theory. I think it has merit under strict conditions. It might require a mechanism to keep flow but there is a way to let youe heart be the method for flow however I don't know how well it would flow once so muxh blood has left the bosy that pressure has decreased so much. The flow would most likely slow at least and maybe certain veins etc might start to collapse with the lack of volume/pressure.

It's essentially like creating a mortal wound but via a very controlled and small point. If there dlow is sustainable and reliable it wouldn't be hars to overcome SI by knocking oneself out using sleepers or something.

Time frame might be an issue and of course sourcing and operating the relevant items required. It seems almost so obvious that I feel it may have already been looked over and deemed ill advised.

It's certainly interesting now I'm considering the technical side of things. I think it would take some time unless you could tap an artery and that is painful. There arw a couple of large blood vessels in the groin. I remember addicts using them because they had a high flow rate and created a faster high.

 

[Idontrecognizemyself]

I always love when someone suggests a new method! However I cannot imagine this being as simple and painless as described. As other commenters have stated, I suspect this would take an exceptionally long time (I forget what percent blood loss you need to hit before you go into shock, if someone was bored enough they could probably do the math knowing a blood donation (someone said 500ml I don't know if that's correct) takes 15-30 minutes. Of course, that is at a constant rate, I don't know what your set up is but a 10ml hand syringe? You're going to die of old age first, hahah : )
Any self-care deficit depressed people like me know that blood draws are absolute hell if you haven't been drinking your 8 glasses of water a day. The blood in veins is thick and slow moving, if you're not refilling the fluid you're actively losing, your draw point is just gonna go dry real quick. So okay, say you are hydrating at the same time you are removing blood. If this is as slow as I am picturing in my head, you're going to get an electrolyte imbalance, maybe. Big maybe. At the MOST, you're going to die faster from the dilution of your blood than from the actual blood loss. Now we're back in "just drink 20 glasses of water" type CBT territory. Would be curious if anyone draws a different conclusion!

 

[sandalphon]

How can you say it's absolutely painless? Are you a doctor by any chance?

 

[sandalphon]

Needless to say, don't fucking try this. It's not gonna work unless you have equipment and a medical professional helping you. If a method is not in Resources, it is not worth considering.

 

[Butterflyfree]

Comparable to donating blood. Maybe one can even suck it out with a syringe, step by step, till one loses consciousness?
Of course this requires a little bit of equiptment, of which i don't know how to obtain it.

Pro: Absolutely painless

Con: Lots of time to reconsider (compared to the "one decision" approaches like gunshot, jumping, hanging...)
Potentially disturbing (probably depends on your personality)

Are you referring to the vein access graph site they give you for kidney dialysis? Also sometimes they put a port line directly into the aorta vein in the heart.

 

[Idontrecognizemyself]

Are you referring to the vein access graph site they give you for kidney dialysis? Also sometimes they put a port line directly into the aorta vein in the heart.

These are both specialized access points, require a surgery/ procedure to be installed, cannot be done by oneself and are only done when a medical condition calls for it. I imagine if you had one of these sites available, maybe your success rate would be a little bit higher, only because these are areas of stronger blood flow, but they would require so many steps to obtain (and those procedures are NOT painless) that it still doesn't seem effective : (

 

[Smart No More]

I agree. I don't think it's likely to be easy at all. Way too much potential to get things wrong.

 

[stellabelle]

Comparable to donating blood. Maybe one can even suck it out with a syringe, step by step, till one loses consciousness?
Of course this requires a little bit of equiptment, of which i don't know how to obtain it.

Pro: Absolutely painless

Con: Lots of time to reconsider (compared to the "one decision" approaches like gunshot, jumping, hanging...)
Potentially disturbing (probably depends on your personality)

So a blood vacuum?

Not going to work.

 

[Butterflyfree]

These are both specialized access points, require a surgery/ procedure to be installed, cannot be done by oneself and are only done when a medical condition calls for it. I imagine if you had one of these sites available, maybe your success rate would be a little bit higher, only because these are areas of stronger blood flow, but they would require so many steps to obtain (and those procedures are NOT painless) that it still doesn't seem effective : (

Yes I understand that a site like that has to be surgically installed by medical professionals. But I have heard that some people have bled out from this artieral graft access point after kidney dialysis.

 

[g0921]

This is actually my ideal plan, I which learnt later it is impossible to do in one go.
Read someone who tried DIY a blood vacuum to continue the suction when the blood flow getting too low;
but it failed as the tube/ needle got blocked while he lost consciousness and collapsed.
He ended up CTB with helium. Bless him....

Tho it is possible to bloodlet repeatingly, and hope for a death by hemorrhagic shock/ heart attack/ heart failure.
Before someone find you unconscious and drag you to the hospital.

 

[Soapie]

anythnuibg involving blood loss is INCREDIBLY difficult to pull off. that's not t o say its impossible but its just really slow and scary and its very easy for SI to get in the way. i tried blood loss a long time ago and its so frightening.. that feeling of fading away is really something else.

 

[AnotherTragicName]

Yeah, maybe it's not such a good idea... Kinda assumed that fading is the first step to dying here, which might not be true... maybe you return back to consciousness, wake up very weak and basically have to continue what you started, still blood in your surroundings, or go to the doctor... kinda disturbing setup. Just wanted to share this idea, and no I am not a doctor, regarding the credibility of my opinion on pain involved. Just be self-responsible and don't believe everything you read on the web.
Still, when I look back, kinda stupid assumption. I thought, hence donating blood is peaceful, losing blood till exitus must also be... no traumas, wounds, etc, just clean giving of blood... lol... but who knows, to clarify, im not a doctor.

 

[Idontrecognizemyself]

Yeah, maybe it's not such a good idea... Kinda assumed that fading is the first step to dying here, which might not be true... maybe you return back to consciousness, wake up very weak and basically have to continue what you started, still blood in your surroundings, or go to the doctor... kinda disturbing setup. Just wanted to share this idea, and no I am not a doctor, regarding the credibility of my opinion on pain involved. Just be self-responsible and don't believe everything you read on the web.
Still, when I look back, kinda stupid assumption. I thought, hence donating blood is peaceful, losing blood till exitus must also be... no traumas, wounds, etc, just clean giving of blood... lol... but who knows, to clarify, im not a doctor.

Again, I always love reading new ideas and trying to figure out the effectiveness. No harm done, made for an enjoyable thread! Thank you for sharing : )