Can I ask a favor of the true pro choicers here

[Cant go back]

I understand we want to be helpful on this forum to people who believe that ctb is the right choice for them. But can we refrain from talking about ctb method failures? I seem to read more posts/replies on how unbelievably easy it is to fail with relatively fool proof methods that have been tried and tested for years. I mean unless you have actually attempted to ctb, failed and are now permanently messed up you don't know what you are talking about do you?

I'm not trying to be a dick, I guess what I'm saying is there are enough anti choice religious extremists on here who's job it is to scare you by discussing failures. So we don't need actual pro choice members doing it too!!!

 

[Julgran]

I could agree, but isn't it important to highlight any mistakes that one makes, so that other people don't have to fail as well? For instance, someone created a thread and shared a video of a person who shot himself, the details of which we don't need to go into, but it's safe to say that I would never again consider shooting myself, if that was my CTB method.

We can keep learning from each other

 

[PeacefulTonic]

I believe some of these ctb failure threads(SN mostly), are made by infiltrators attempting to dissuade others from ctbing with it, even though the chance of success is actually quite high

 

[Cant go back]

I could agree, but isn't it important to highlight any mistakes that one makes, so that other people don't have to fail as well? For instance, someone created a thread and shared a video of a person who shot himself, the details of which we don't need to go into, but it's safe to say that I would never again consider shooting myself, if that was my CTB method.

We can keep learning from each other

My point is if you are pro choice, you don't need to. The anti choice religious nut will do that for you.

I believe some of these ctb failure threads(SN mostly), are made by infiltrators attempting to dissuade others from ctbing with it, even though the chance of success is actually quite high

Agreed! We can't stop them from doing it. But we don't need to help them too.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

There are risks involved with suicide and things are complicated. People should know that ending up a vegetable is a risk with some executions of some methods. For some people it would be best to get scared out of killing themselves and for others it would be catastrophic to not be able to. What happens naturally is that those that have strong reasons to ctb and are of a mature and rational mind tend not be dissuaded by one person that pointed a shotgun as far away from the brainstem as possible or by someone that drank 1g of SN with 2L of vodka after eating an entire chicken.

I mean unless you have actually attempted to ctb, failed and are now permanently messed up you don't know what you are talking about do you?

Are you serious with this? Why wouldn't reading statistics/individual reports (or even solid theorizing) be better than just one anecdotal piece of evidence?

 

[callme]

There are risks involved with suicide and things are complicated. People should know that ending up a vegetable is a risk with some executions of some methods. For some people it would be best to get scared out of killing themselves and for others it would be catastrophic to not be able to. What happens naturally is that those that have strong reasons to ctb and are of a mature and rational mind tend not be dissuaded by one person that pointed a shotgun as far away from the brainstem as possible or by someone that drank 1g of SN with 2L of vodka after eating an entire chicken.

Are you serious with this? Why wouldn't reading statistics/individual reports (or even solid theorizing) be better than just one anecdotal piece of evidence?

What's all the salt shakers for? Do you also like to eat pure salt? I give up easily though, too much iodine in it.

Hmm, maybe we can both take up "meat preservation", at least we can properly use all the salt we have.

 

[Chinaski]

I understand we want to be helpful on this forum to people who believe that ctb is the right choice for them. But can we refrain from talking about ctb method failures? I seem to read more posts/replies on how unbelievably easy it is to fail with relatively fool proof methods that have been tried and tested for years. I mean unless you have actually attempted to ctb, failed and are now permanently messed up you don't know what you are talking about do you?

I'm not trying to be a dick, I guess what I'm saying is there are enough anti choice religious extremists on here who's job it is to scare you by discussing failures. So we don't need actual pro choice members doing it too!!!

I'm really not comfortable with distinctions being drawn between "pro choice" and "true pro choice", surely "elite pro choice" and "Pro choice platinum member" follow.

All methods have their plusses and minuses, I've seen members of Pro Choice Ultimate Force completely lambast people for being selfish for choosing the train method on here in the past, and took stick for defending those who may choose it (l definitely wouldn't ctb this way, but it's a regular method and shouldn't be excluded and those who consider it should not be condemned imo). Similarly I've in turn been called a "pro lifer" by the Pro Choice Limited Edition for expressing doubts over the essentially untried "night night method".

If methods are to be discussed then individual users are going to express their for/against position and this is often based around possibilities and impacts of failure and l guess we must accept this. I personally find some of the posts sceptical of N to be very tiring but then I'm far from convinced by SN's peacefulness and have said so on a few occasions, which in turn probably annoys its advocates.

Further to this, as a bog-standard, rank and file pro-choicer l do feel it's necessary to say "don't fucking do this" if someone was to seriously state they were going to self-immolate, drink bleach, hang themselves with others in the vicinity etc when it carries a significant risk of failing and causing them great harm in the process.

 

[Ankou]

I mean unless you have actually attempted to ctb, failed and are now permanently messed up you don't know what you are talking about do you?

Yeah let's not make assumptions about what other people have gone through. Even if you never tried the method you can still have an opinion on if it's a good idea or not to a certain extent. For example I never doused myself with petrol and lit it up, still know it's gotta hurt like a bitch

 

[little helpers]

I understand we want to be helpful on this forum to people who believe that ctb is the right choice for them. But can we refrain from talking about ctb method failures? I seem to read more posts/replies on how unbelievably easy it is to fail with relatively fool proof methods that have been tried and tested for years. I mean unless you have actually attempted to ctb, failed and are now permanently messed up you don't know what you are talking about do you?

I'm not trying to be a dick, I guess what I'm saying is there are enough anti choice religious extremists on here who's job it is to scare you by discussing failures. So we don't need actual pro choice members doing it too!!!

I was only wanting it to be successful. yeah, until I realized those who succeeded are not here to tell.

but I can't see why it has to be bad to be scared of failures. they happen. and forcing ourselves into blissful ignorance isn't gonna do anything. knowing how and why someone failed an attempt is equally valuable as methods posts. every tech-related stuff's got troubleshooting pages. suicide teks need it too. knowledge conquers fear. shutting up builds it more.

do you call it tech or tek? whichever. I don't want us all sounding like "suicide technicians" or something. man, if only I were one.

 

[Snake of Eden]

Cute

 

[Someone123]

I understand we want to be helpful on this forum to people who believe that ctb is the right choice for them. But can we refrain from talking about ctb method failures? I seem to read more posts/replies on how unbelievably easy it is to fail with relatively fool proof methods that have been tried and tested for years. I mean unless you have actually attempted to ctb, failed and are now permanently messed up you don't know what you are talking about do you?

I'm not trying to be a dick, I guess what I'm saying is there are enough anti choice religious extremists on here who's job it is to scare you by discussing failures. So we don't need actual pro choice members doing it too!!!

In my opinion it is important to mention failures because certain methods, such as partial, have a lot of failures. The reason it is important to discuss these is because a failed attempt generally causes worse problems in a person's life- an involuntary hospitalization, big medical bills, possible job loss which can result in eviction, etc. For most people failed attempts cause a lot of problems. If someone is going to attempt to ctb they are better off using a method that is more likely to work rather than to go through all of this- that to me is the purpose of discussing failures. Most people who attempt ctb want it to work, so that is the reason so many people want to discuss what doesn't work.

 

[little helpers]

In my opinion it is important to mention failures because certain methods, such as partial, have a lot of failures. The reason it is important to discuss these is because a failed attempt generally causes worse problems in a person's life- an involuntary hospitalization, big medical bills, possible job loss which can result in eviction, etc. For most people failed attempts cause a lot of problems. If someone is going to attempt to ctb they are better off using a method that is more likely to work rather than to go through all of this- that to me is the purpose of discussing failures0 most people who attempt ctb want it to work, so that is the reason so many people want to discuss what doesn't work.

^ this.

 

[Ta555]

Guys, he didn't say people shouldn't discuss failures. I think he is talking more about fear-mongering of pretty solid methods and I kind of agree. It's one thing to post a personal story of how you failed or a scientific article but there are a lot of people just casually talking about failure as if it's a huge possibility on methods such as full suspension, drowning etc. And it does cause unnecessary stress.
My personal method ATM is full suspension but to be honest the way so many people are scared of it and keep talking about failure and choking for half an hour or whatever when they've never actually attempted it is quite high for my liking.
You might say that it's good because it puts people off CTB and force them to find solutions to their problems but for my case no. I need to CTB, I'm in too much suffering and the more I read on here the more stressed I get. I have a long time home alone. Well over an hour, and a rope from an actual rope store and a beam. And yet somehow I still stress that it will fail because if all the shit I've read here. Sorry for venting but I'm with OP, mostly.