Discussion Call me a blasphemer but

[itsallpointless]

Mods pls remove if too provocative. My intent is just to offer consolation to those afraid of hell, like myself.

it's a common belief that people who commit suicide go to hell. What is the difference between Jesus' actions and suicide? He planned the time and nature of his own unnatural death. How can Christianity condemn suicide when its very own messiah more or less did the same thing. So hypocritical

 

[Zegers]

Because religion was and remains a business, there is nothing divine about it. I respect all beliefs but religion has always been a business. I think its more reasonable to believe in god than in religion itself.

 

[valkyrie]

The commiting suicide = going to hell thing is a very over-simplified view of it, that I think is perpetuated to stop people from CTB
It's a sin but so are many many things. I choose to believe if God exists he is good and fair and would accept an otherwise good person into heaven. After all Jesus was supposed to have died for our sins. Nobody is without sin.

 

[ForeverLonely82]

The commiting suicide = going to hell thing is a very over-simplified view of it, that I think is perpetuated to stop people from CTB
It's a sin but so are many many things. I choose to believe if God exists he is good and fair and would accept an otherwise good person into heaven. After all Jesus was supposed to have died for our sins. Nobody is without sin.

I highly disagree. *IF* God exists he's the biggest narcissistic dick that we've ever seen. I don't think he's in charge. If he is in control of it all, WHY did he have to kill his own son for the sins of man, why did murder have to take place? doesn't make sense does it. George carlin said it best "he's got a special place that's filled with fire and smoke,burning,torture and anguish where he will send you to live to suffer, burn, scream and cry forever and ever until the end of time.....But he loves you!" No, Sorry I refuse to worship or "love" an entity who's a complete piece of shit.

 

[BasqueClown]

Simple: Judeo-Christianity is essentially a slavery program with theological garments.
Simple: you became 'free' of sin, but that means to be a slave of Jesus and the doctrines based on the scriptures and traditions. So that threat about going to hell is ridiculous because we'll never know the 'pure' doctrine, or the 'true' God. Anything can save us, from Krishna to Flying Monster of Spaghetti if your faith says so.
I don't care about going to hell, if it even exists.
Sincerely, an ex Adventist

 

[boxtobs]

Oh boy, so back when I was quite a bit younger and still wanted to be a priest I thought about this a lot.
The way we were taught to interpret it is that 1. There is a fundamental difference between martyrdom and suicide (and that suicide is inherently selfish in contrast to martyrdom) and that 2. the reason suicide is punished is because god created you with your struggles so you could overcome them and suicide would be violating both his divine will and creation.
Since a lot of catholic belief benefits from people looking to them for guidance when struggling, it makes sense to instill fear of punishment for escapes from said suffering outside of them. They want to sell you a solution (salvation).

 

[tystero]

I'm pretty much an amoral person. That means I'm against the rigid confines of morality that limits people's actions(or reaction) towards their experience and needs. I see that people's experience and needs as unique to them alone and I can't possibly know what's on their mind and tell them what's to do.

So I reject an arbitrary and rigid constraint on individual's actions like the law or morality that's is defined by a single entity (God or the state) and I'm in favor of the flexible alternative to morality called "ethics" where an individual do their own analysis of their experience and determine their course of action.

 

[MidnightCat]

As someone already said, *if* God exists and it's the christian one...

Did you never sin? Not once? Suicide is a sin, okay. So it's pride, envy, gluttony, sloth...

Where does god draw the line?

I'm pagan, so I'm kinda hoping to chill a bit on the other side and come back as a cat or something, hopefully a more peaceful existence.

 

[Kattt]

Whether you identify as a Christian or not, the Bible is written in parables. Parables are not written to be taken literally. It's much like ancient myths about Norse Gods, Greek Gods or perhaps Hindu Gods. Intended to illustrate morals and for the reader to interpret.
The fact that the text is open to interpretation has permitted the distortion of concepts to suit an individual's agenda.

 

[lionetta12]

Mods pls remove if too provocative. My intent is just to offer consolation to those afraid of hell, like myself.

it's a common belief that people who commit suicide go to hell. What is the difference between Jesus' actions and suicide? He planned the time and nature of his own unnatural death. How can Christianity condemn suicide when its very own messiah more or less did the same thing. So hypocritical

It's interesting that the LDS church/mormons don't condemn or judge suicide anymore and it seems to be the only «christian» religion that I've found so far that don't.

 

[dembe]

Mods pls remove if too provocative. My intent is just to offer consolation to those afraid of hell, like myself.

it's a common belief that people who commit suicide go to hell. What is the difference between Jesus' actions and suicide? He planned the time and nature of his own unnatural death. How can Christianity condemn suicide when its very own messiah more or less did the same thing. So hypocritical

The justification they might use is it was god's will, god's will was intended for jesus' death so god won't punish what he destined, but because we have "free will" when we choose to die we aren't following god's plan, we are denouncing his gift of life which is a big nono for christians ig. Plus Jesus' death was to serve a purpose, our reasons for death may seem insignificant to them because they think that they don't benefit from it. Not to say I agree with it, just maybe a theory on how they think.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

I don´t know whether suicide is forbidden in the Old Testament, if so, it has probably to do with slavery. For a salve suicide is the only way to get free and it would jeopardise the property of the slave owners.

The death of Jesus can be seen as a human sacrifice, what sometimes was voluntary. Many martyrs had the choice between death and changing their confession, these were sanctioned suicides as well as the death of modern suicide bombers.

 

[sunsetting]

That's a sensitive subject to some but here's how I see it: if there is a god that can see all and is all powerful and we have eternal souls I highly doubt he would punish you for such an act as he would know the pain you're going through.

Those punishments the bible has, not only suicide but plenty of other things that sometimes are silly, feel more like stuff written by men than something god would actually care and 'got to hell' if you do bad thing sounds like you're punishing a toddler if he misbehaves while not caring at all about what lead him to that behaviour.

 

[itsallpointless]

I've had a change of heart since making this post. Would like to mention that the lesson that I've learnt is ironically that Jesus forgives me anyway
What's important in life is cherishing our loved ones before it's too late. Neither success nor winning. I love my dad alot and today I remembered how much I love him

 

[BeenGoneLong]

Honestly the entire idea of religion and sinning just doesn't sit right with me. Morals and societal obligations are constantly evolving with time, and even differ region to region. What was considered "wrong" years ago, is considered "right" today, and vice versa.

Take for example the practice of "sati" in the Hindu religion. It was practiced by Indian widowers, who committed suicide once they became a widow, as they didn't want to be taken advantage of by the brutal power of other men. It was considered noble and honourable and the women who committed sati we're lauded for it.

Of course your perception might change with your beliefs and followed religion, but personally, seeing the diversity in preachings, i think it's safe to logically assume that religion was just created as a moral code of conduct for the "betterment" of society.

As for what happens after death, I'm agnostic but there's a part of me that desperately clings on to the hope that there's nothing. Just nothing.