GeorgeJL

GeorgeJL

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I can't believe it but I'm getting suicidal again because I can't sleep good. Luckily my psych appointment is soon.

And as some of you know my N was accidentally thrown out. So now I got a new method with a nitrogen hood kit. I found that a argon flow meter/regulator will be just fine for a nitrogen tank. The argon flow meters are ubiquitous in welding. You just have to convert 15 liters per a minute LPM to cubic feet per hour CFH. Which turns out to be 31.78 cfh. I of course tested it out and found that the argon flow meter worked just fine. BTW it's cga 580 connector I believe.

I might CTB sooner than anticipated. I'll see, I'd like to live but this will just be my back up for now.
 
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I can't believe it but I'm getting suicidal again because I can't sleep good. Luckily my psych appointment is soon.

And as some of you know my N was accidentally thrown out. So now I got a new method with a nitrogen hood kit. I found that a argon flow meter/regulator will be just fine for a nitrogen tank. The argon flow meters are ubiquitous in welding. You just have to convert 15 liters per a minute LPM to cubic feet per hour CFH. Which turns out to be 31.78 cfh. I of course tested it out and found that the argon flow meter worked just fine. BTW it's cga 580 connector I believe.

I might CTB sooner than anticipated. I'll see, I'd like to live but this will just be my back up for now.
Jesus- I wish I had the understanding / skills sounds like u need to have a physics/ chemistry qualification (see I don't event know which one!) ...well glad you've found something yr comfortable with/ know how to use - I'm jels! (Sorry - actually hate that term but not sure how else to express it)
 
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WhiteDespair

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Good luck in whatever endeavor you choose.

Walmart has a sleep aid formula that contains melatonin, gaba and other sleepytime ingredients. It works prettt well.
 
Darkhaven

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Problem with these methods involving "gases" is how technical and complex they can get to people with zero understanding or experience with it.
 
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I think anyone dedicated enough to ctb should be willing to put in the time to learn how to do it properly, including the technical aspects. This was my method until I discovered SN. I agree, there's too much that can go wrong here. My main concern was the gas flowing out too fast and the tank emptying before the deed was done.

What I'm really surprised about is how your suicidality came back, George. You said before that you wanted to live to old age, as I recall.
 
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Problem with these methods involving "gases" is how technical and complex they can get to people with zero understanding or experience with it.
Yeah sod that. There was one student from that Bristol uni (where there where quite a few that ctb over a few years) that did it in a tent - and everyone was saying how smart he was & what a bright future he had - I remember thinking then - well you'd hve to be to figure all that out! (Also thgt he was sad cos he was young & had a future- but that's a whole other conversation)
 
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pane

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To anyone who's interested, you don't have to use an argon regulator with a tank of nitrogen and perform mathematical calculations to get it right (no offense intended toward George). You can use a click-style oxygen regulator with the nitrogen tank because nitrogen and oxygen have almost the exact same "weight" to get the 15 LPM of flow you need.

Here's a crash course in the basics of what you need for using an O2 regulator with a tank of nitrogen:

Use a 0-15 LPM click-style oxygen regulator with an adapter. Read this thread:

Max Dog regulator ridiculous price | Sanctioned Suicide
I looked at the Max Dog regulator kit. The price is ridiculous... $330. What a crock It looks like the Medline HCS8725M regulator. This one has a max 25l/min flow and a 15l/min setting. The usual price is $30. This is part of a series of regulators with varying maximum flow rates. There is a...
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/styles/uix/images/favicon-32x32.png sanctionedsuicide.com

The comments posted by Fister (RIP) will tell you the exact parts to get. You'll have to search on Google using the part numbers he gives but you'll find the needed items.

Fister posted a pic of what the Medline regulator, Western Enterprises and a nitrogen tank look like when everything is connected. That set up will work for the inert gas/exit bag method, as he himself proved.

For convenience here are the part numbers:

1) Medline HCS5415M 02 regulator

2) Western Enterprises 415 adapter

There's a second thread linked to in the thread above you may also want to read.

You can buy a somewhat more expensive 02 regulator from WT Farley (but I don't know if it's actually more precise or reliable than the one Fister recommends in the thread above):

https://www...w,,,t,,,,farley...(DOT).....com/Oxygen-Standard-Body-Click-Regulator-CGA-540

Select the barb-style outlet from the dropdown menu.

I altered the URL because we're not allowed to post active links directly to sources here on SS. You can also get the Farley 02 regulator from Amazon.

1) Go to Amazon

2) In the search box type in: Oxygen Regulator Standard Body-CGA540

3) Scroll down a little and you'll see:

"Oxygen Regulator Standard Body-CGA540, 0-15 LPM, barb outlet with green color coded gauge protector"

You'll still need the Western Enterprises adapter which can be bought from Amazon using a search with the phrase "western enterprises 415, cga-580-540 adapter". Scroll through the results to find the seller with the lowest price.

The adapter can also be purchased from other websites using a Google search.

You'll have to get a tank of nitrogen on your own, either by buying an empty tank over the 'net and having it filled at a local inert gas supply company, buying a filled tank from a local company or possibly finding a company on the 'net that will ship an already-filled nitrogen tank to you.

There was a supplier often recommended here on SS that used to ship filled nitrogen tanks to people but they removed that option from their website because they realized what those people planned to use them for.
 
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To anyone who's interested, you don't have to use an argon regulator with a tank of nitrogen and perform mathematical calculations to get it right (no offense intended toward George). You can use a click-style oxygen regulator with the nitrogen tank because nitrogen and oxygen have almost the exact same "weight" to get the 15 LPM of flow you need.

Here's a crash course in the basics of what you need for using an O2 regulator with a tank of nitrogen:

Use a 0-15 LPM click-style oxygen regulator with an adapter. Read this thread:

Max Dog regulator ridiculous price | Sanctioned Suicide
I looked at the Max Dog regulator kit. The price is ridiculous... $330. What a crock It looks like the Medline HCS8725M regulator. This one has a max 25l/min flow and a 15l/min setting. The usual price is $30. This is part of a series of regulators with varying maximum flow rates. There is a...
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/styles/uix/images/favicon-32x32.png sanctionedsuicide.com

The comments posted by Fister (RIP) will tell you the exact parts to get. You'll have to search on Google using the part numbers he gives but you'll find the needed items.

Fister posted a pic of what the Medline regulator, Western Enterprises and a nitrogen tank look like when everything is connected. That set up will work for the inert gas/exit bag method, as he himself proved.

For convenience here are the part numbers:

1) Medline HCS5415M 02 regulator

2) Western Enterprises 415 adapter

There's a second thread linked to in the thread above you may also want to read.

You can buy a somewhat more expensive 02 regulator from WT Farley (but I don't know if it's actually more precise or reliable than the one Fister recommends in the thread above):

https://www...wtfarley...(DOT).....com/Oxygen-Standard-Body-Click-Regulator-CGA-540

Select the barb-style outlet from the dropdown menu.

I altered the URL because we're not allowed to post active links directly to sources here on SS. You can also get the Farley 02 regulator from Amazon.

1) Go to Amazon

2) In the search box type in: Oxygen Regulator Standard Body-CGA540

3) Scroll down a little and you'll see:

"Oxygen Regulator Standard Body-CGA540, 0-15 LPM, barb outlet with green color coded gauge protector"

You'll still need the Western Enterprises adapter which can be bought from Amazon using a search with the phrase "western enterprises 415, cga-580-540 adapter". Scroll through the results to find the seller with the lowest price.

The adapter can also be purchased from other websites using a Google search.

You'll have to get a tank of nitrogen on your own, either by buying an empty tank over the 'net and having it filled at a local inert gas supply company, buying a filled tank from a local company or possibly finding a company on the 'net that will ship an already-filled nitrogen tank to you.

There was a supplier often recommended here on SS that used to ship filled nitrogen tanks to people but they removed that option from their website because they realized what those people planned to use them.
That sounds so complex to me or I would think most people that are just barely functioning. I admire your knowledge and resources. I'm just looking for an easy way out. Thank you for your message.
 
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GeorgeJL

GeorgeJL

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Problem with these methods involving "gases" is how technical and complex they can get to people with zero understanding or experience with it.
Good luck in whatever endeavor you choose.

Walmart has a sleep aid formula that contains melatonin, gaba and other sleepytime ingredients. It works prettt well.
I just greatly simplified it for you's.most all nitrogen and argon use the same connectors, CGA 580. If you wanna get technical then you should get a cga 580 female connector on your nitrogen or argon tank. Then a male cga 580 argon flow meter. But that's how their all sold anyway. at your local supply stores. And it should be 15 for liters per a minute or 31.78 for cubic feet per hour CFH.
 
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Darkhaven

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All i have left is memories
May 19, 2019
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I just greatly simplified it for you's.most all nitrogen and argon use the same connectors, CGA 580. If you wanna get technical then you should get a cga 580 female connector on your nitrogen or argon tank. Then a male cga 580 argon flow meter. But that's how their all sold anyway. at your local supply stores.
Haha, i will just take my chances with SN. Hope it works!
 
omoidarui

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whats so complex about putting a bag over your head and filling it up until you pass out
 
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I just greatly simplified it for you's.most all nitrogen and argon use the same connectors, CGA 580. If you wanna get technical then you should get a cga 580 female connector on your nitrogen or argon tank. Then a male cga 580 argon flow meter. But that's how their all sold anyway. at your local supply stores. And it should be 15 for liters per a minute or 31.78 for cubic feet per hour CFH.
that all sounds like a foreign language to me! simplified?! lol- please excuse my ignorance. its my own problem if i fail to understand & need to find my own method-i know.
 
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that all sounds like a foreign language to me! simplified?! lol- please excuse my ignorance. its my own problem if i fail to understand & need to find my own method-i know.

@GeorgeJL 's information is pretty simple. If you cut out the technical stuff it's really just showing how to connect a flow meter to your nitrogen rank. Even simpler is that the tanks usually come with the setup already installed. Calculating to cubic feet per hour might be tricky depending on the equation.
 
GeorgeJL

GeorgeJL

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I can make this really really simple. Pull up Google maps and type. nearby gas supply store. Buy a 20 cu tank of argon. Then go to a local welding store on Google maps and buy the cheapest argon flow meter and hose. There no technical data.
 
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FYI the Medline HCS8725M regulator that Fister first alluded to is CGA-870.
 
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pane

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FYI the Medline HCS8725M regulator that Fister first alluded to is CGA-870.

Later on in that thread Fister identified and bought the correct CGA 580 regulator and adapter. He discusses that in post #8.
 
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Heart of Ice

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Sep 26, 2019
362
I've been very interested in a helium death, and it wasn't the complexity that turned me off, but rather it was the fact that I have no place to hide the helium tanks.

I also have two methods ready. I have too much time on my hands.
 
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Kingkelly

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Dec 3, 2018
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I can't believe it but I'm getting suicidal again because I can't sleep good. Luckily my psych appointment is soon.

And as some of you know my N was accidentally thrown out. So now I got a new method with a nitrogen hood kit. I found that a argon flow meter/regulator will be just fine for a nitrogen tank. The argon flow meters are ubiquitous in welding. You just have to convert 15 liters per a minute LPM to cubic feet per hour CFH. Which turns out to be 31.78 cfh. I of course tested it out and found that the argon flow meter worked just fine. BTW it's cga 580 connector I believe.

I might CTB sooner than anticipated. I'll see, I'd like to live but this will just be my back up for now.
When did you get your N and im sorry it got thrown out. Did you get visits from the cops?
 
GeorgeJL

GeorgeJL

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When did you get your N and im sorry it got thrown out. Did you get visits from the cops?
No visits from the police. I got it from Johnson before he stopped selling. Johnson was legit.
 
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bornsinner

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Oct 26, 2019
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I've been very interested in a helium death, and it wasn't the complexity that turned me off, but rather it was the fact that I have no place to hide the helium tanks.

I also have two methods ready. I have too much time on my hands.
you cant just put the tank in your closet?
 
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Yeah, I remembered your thread a few months ago about losing your N and yeah it really sucks to experience that. :aw: Anyways, I hope you are able to hold onto the Nitrogen Hood Kit and it's always good to have a backup, as that allows you the choice and ability to decide whenever you wish to check out. At any rate, I do hope things improve for your situation so that you wouldn't have to check out.
 
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Heart of Ice

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you cant just put the tank in your closet?
My closet is already full with stuff. And besides, I live in an apartment building. I would perhaps raise a few 3yebrows when I lug that canister up the stairs (no elevator here).
 
vonvonwantpeace

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What happened why his name is crossed out?
 
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What happened why his name is crossed out?

If a member's username has that line running through it that means he's been banned from the forum. There's two ways to be banned:

1) A mod/admin bans you.

2) You can ban yourself (and ask to be unbanned later on if you're willing/able to come back to the forum.
 
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I am quite prepared to pay for a Max Dog regulator but he never answers my questions! I am in U.K. - I don't know where to get a flow regulator at all.... I can get nitrogen at Adams gas in Margate. It's a 2litre tank 200 bar. Max Dog said his regulator will fit U.K. tanks....BUT the German regulator from Max Dog is also meant to be for the same pressure tank as the Adams gas one but it's a different regulator - so it's confused me.

I just looked up the Cga-870 and it says compatible with US things - not U.K. if anyone anywhere can tell me what kit to buy to fit the Adams Margate nitrogen - I would be very very grateful as I seem to go round in circles with it. The actual method doesn't look hard. It's just finding the right kit.
 
frees

frees

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Sep 6, 2019
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Maxx Dog sells three versions of their regulator:
AU
EU
USA, CAD, UK, NZ
You need the last one which will fit nitrogen cylinders sold in the UK
 
frees

frees

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Sep 6, 2019
116
No, UK has different norm than the EU. EU uses the old german DIN, UK has their imperial CGA-580
 
GerMann

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@ frees Yes, seems your right, I erase my last sugestion.
 
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Maxx Dog sells three versions of their regulator:
AU
EU
USA, CAD, UK, NZ
You need the last one which will fit nitrogen cylinders sold in the UK

Hi, yes I could see there were 3, the thing is the German one is to fit the German kit and the wording in pph says the German regulator is designed to manage the higher pressure German tank......the only thing is, the German tank it is referring to is also a 2 litre 200 bar tank! So that is what confused me. It's obviously a different regulator than U.K. one as the price is different. It does say that U.K. regulator is designed for all U.K. tank fittings. Does a regulator just adjust itself to whatever pressure the tank is? So you could have one regulator and it would fit different pressure tanks as long as the actual fitting fits the tank. That's the bit I don't really understand.

I don't really want to wait for Max Dog to ship to be honest as if he can't even answer my questions on email it's like they aren't being picked up. There is no phone number, just an email for contacting him.

I looked at exit euthanasia blog and it said that - QUOTE
''''''In the U.K. a regulator, hose and small tank of nitrogen will come to about £80 in total.(No, we don't give out addresses on the Internet or by email: that bit of work a responsible person will do themself, with or without our book.) Typical costs: We paid £18 for the gas, £25 as a one-off deposit on the cylinder itself, £20 for a regulator and £17 for a hose with the right connectors on it. There is wide variation in prices and and also a big variation from country to country. We've covered it in a large new Section of five last acts which is selling rather well on Amazon at the moment. (Not cheap as it is over 800 pages and was costly to produce, but that alone should deter casual enquiries"'''''

This was back in 2015. I don't have the book and I might just have to buy it to find out if the suppliers might be in there....but it's a few years old now. This doesn't mention anything about a flow rate regulator - just says regulator.

Sigh.....I wish I could just go on amazon and order the right thing!
No, UK has different norm than the EU. EU uses the old german DIN, UK has their imperial CGA-580

Are you saying U.K. uses this cga 580? I was confused by the comment from Ger Mann.
 
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