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[Shu]

He's a scammer. He signed up with a different username before and was banned, probably before that too and he's more than likely back on the forums ready to do it again.

He talks about sources he has found on the darknet and tells us to be careful then PM's details to those scammers (which is him).

There's a lot of desperate and vulnerable people on this forum and many not thinking straight and the last thing they need is someone like that preying on them.

I don't think he was jake flake.

 

[Chinaski]

What´s going on here ? Have I missed anything ? What's going on with London333 and/or London3 ?

He's a scammer. He signed up with a different username before and was banned, probably before that too and he's more than likely back on the forums ready to do it again.

He talks about sources he has found on the darknet and tells us to be careful then PM's details to those scammers (which is him).

There's a lot of desperate and vulnerable people on this forum and many not thinking straight and the last thing they need is someone like that preying on them.

One thing which is really pissing me off about all this is he was clearly scamming a week or so ago when he was offering to pm D's contact. I reported it immediately but instead of taking any meaningful action the mod did nothing, then basically told me to fuck off publicly when l questioned this decision. The thread was later deleted but the pms were already rolling and the user continued to punt dubious vendors and in the time since, this chancer has no doubt ripped a few users out of cash. I appreciate the responsibility lies with the user as to where they send their cash and there are warnings littered across the site but it might be better if in future mods approach those who are quite obviously scamming with greater vigilance, and it would certainly be more appropriate for them to publicly comment on those exhibiting scamming or scam-adjacent conduct rather than spend their time being obnoxiously dismissive of those who bring it to their attention and are later proven to be correct.

 

[Cathy Ames]

I don't think he was jake flake.

Yes, that's who he reminded me of. But when I looked back, Jake Flake was in the US, not London.

 

[Shu]

Yes, I have been wondering about this. The whole thing rings very familiar but I don't have it in me to pore through all the "N" threads to figure out the exact banned user that this reminds me of.

You're thinking of Jake Flake the one who's IP was registered to a government IP. I don't think they are the same person.

 

[Cathy Ames]

You're thinking of Jake Flake the one who's IP was registered to a government IP. I don't think they are the same person.

Yes. I agree. Thanks.

 

[befree]

Usually I don´t talk about other users, especially not in the forum. He had sent me a PM and wanted me to send him all my sources. I´m glad I didn´t.

But somebody else send me a PM as well and I sent him my sources. After that he said oh they don´t ship to the Netherlands anyway. But all sources do ! Very strange.

"he's more than likely back on the forum"....Better dom´t share sources with new members who have just registered.

 

[Chinaski]

Did anyone get the email address that he was sending to anyone to make sure it was the right email address for d? I've been mentioning that this user seems kind of sketchy from the jump but they did seem like they were trying to help a lot of people so I don't really know I still got a pretty weird vibe from them and I felt like they were drawing a lot of attention to things that didn't need

They *all* say they're here to help people, and always someone will defend them on the premise that they seem so nice!!! And also where is your proof to these accusations!!!!!!

If anyone is offering a pm to multiple users which will ultimately lead to a cash transaction they should be treated as a scammer would be, these people are total fucking scum and there should be no tolerance for it.

 

[Chinaski]

Wait... what do you mean? Yeah he claimed to be sending sources to other people to help them which I have heard a few users mention this as well but I don't really know. Maybe he truly was just trying to be helpful in to help new users who didn't have sources and stuff but man I don't know I don't think I've ever go out of my way to purposely look for people to help Source them products to take their life but that's just me I understand helping people with that goes Way Beyond what I would do. I hope the few users in the beginning when I saw people asking for sources and sometimes if they ask about one particular Source I hope God than to it but I don't go out of my way to try to help people find sources I mean I can understand someone else doing it but that's just not me. I feel bad doing that.

Nah dude I'm not taking up for them I promise you that you can ask anybody I talk to I've been speaking about this user since day one. I've been mentioning that their behavior seems sketchy since day one you can ask anybody and chat and anybody that I talked to I promise you I'm not taking up for this user nor am I trying to start some kind of pointless debate with you over nothing. Only thing is they seem like they were helping people they were helping them with their sn plan and going out of the way to type paragraphs of information to help new users with information from the guide and information with planning but even that in itself seem kind of sketchy to me for some reason. Sorry chinaski I see the sacrasm behind "where is your proof to these accusations" sorry I read the wrong way icthought you were directing that toward me

Yeah sorry if it came across as if l thought you were talking up for them - l never thought that, is just that every scammer on here has come with the "I'm your friend who just wants to help" horseshit, just like an irl con artist would, and there will always be someone who *will* talk up for them, often because they're so nice and empathy hugs uwu and this place is a Safe Haven where sharks never swim etc, and this naive crap plays right into them. This guy was practically textbook, a very obvious and practiced routine which I've seen here numerous times and it's ridiculous that he was ever given the benefit of any doubt.

 

[Chinaski]

Yeah I see what you're saying but he did go out of his way to help a bunch of people with sources he did go out of his way to help people with planning and stuff like that but still in all the gave me a weird vibe man like maybe he gets off on knowing people are dying I don't know I don't want to make assumptions. It will make me look like an ass but he was always doing the most.. it gave me a weird feeling.
Im still wondering what email he was giving out and if he was even giving out the right email to begin with.. another thing that I felt was weird is in the mega thread for SN he tagged a bunch of users and pretty much said "sorry I'm not receiving PMs anymore message these people @ user @ user @ user for sources" and I'm not even sure those users even gave him permission to allow people to message them or not so that was kind of weird

Tbh l find that also to be a massive red flag, the I'M JUST HERE TO HELP PEOPLE DIE spiel of the wannabe kevorkians, the self-appointed gurus of suicide, who fleetingly pass through here is, at best, creepy af and often comes with a massive ulterior motive.

 

[Euthanza]

Scammers preying on vulnerable people make this life even more awful, what a very sick world, one of my reason to CTB. I had learned the hard way not to trust people easily especially when money involved. My condolence for the victim as I saw the poster few days ago but I didn't notice, I'm truly sorry nothing can stop this madness but ourselves' sense of awareness, please be skeptical.

 

[MountainMonkey]

So how do I find out if the email I was sent is D's email?

 

[ooglah]

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I really don't think he was intentionally scamming.

I reached out to him because I myself had been looking at a few dark web markets to see what was out there.

He gave me 4 or 5 possible vendors, I mentioned I recognized one of them and would look into the store he linked.

The seller has 700+ 5 star reviews, but every review that wasn't 5 stars was 1 star saying they scammed the buyer.

They were scamming people out of any drug under the sun that they tried to order... Just happened that he also has nembutal listed. This was the only vendor I spent the time to look at out of the list he sent me

A cursory review of the seller would have let London know he was a scammer, I don't think he did much due diligence before passing sources off to other people, but I don't think he was benefiting from those scams.

But who knows.


Edit - spelling (on mobile)

 

[Angi]

So how do I find out if the email he sent me was actually D's?

When in doubt, assume NOONE on this forum will send you D's correct mailadress. We are not allowed to do this. So, if you have someone who follows the rules, they will send you no sources whatsoever. If you have someone who does not care about the rules, go figure...

 

[Shu]

When in doubt, assume NOONE on this forum will send you D's correct mailadress. We are not allowed to do this. So, if you have someone who follows the rules, they will send you no sources whatsoever. If you have someone who does not care about the rules, go figure...

There's a rule that says we are not allowed to send sources in PM? I actually never knew that.

 

[keitaro]

"Don't post personal information of anyone, no matter if the information is public or not, or if you have been given permission or not. This includes posting or requesting identifying information of providers, contacts, of yourself, of someone else, or website links to providers (e.g., amazon products, ebay stores, onions, upload sites, independent sellers, etc). If you wish to share information with someone, do so privately, but understand you take responsibility for the risks of doing so."

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/rules-and-faq.4/

the last sentence seems to add a gray area.
i will occasionally share a source name via pm, but i never share links.

 

[Angi]

the last sentence seems to add a gray area.

Indeed. I had read it as a hard no, but now that I read it again, there may well be wiggle room. I have to modify my argument:

We are definitely not allowed to publicly post sources. We may not be allowed to pm sources. But even if we are, or if the mods simple do not spend their days checking people's PMs for such violations, why on earth would we trust sources obtained this way? There are two ways to obtain D's mailadress officially endorsed by a large pro-choice website. One of them is this website. Why should anybody save themselves the two clicks it takes to get the official thing and trust one random person on a forum instead?

 

[keitaro]

Indeed. I had read it as a hard no, but now that I read it again, there may well be wiggle room. I have to modify my argument:

We are definitely not allowed to publicly post sources. We may not be allowed to pm sources. But even if we are, or if the mods simple do not spend their days checking people's PMs for such violations, why on earth would we trust sources obtained this way? There are two ways to obtain D's mailadress officially endorsed by a large pro-choice website. One of them is this website. Why should anybody save themselves the two clicks it takes to get the official thing and trust one random person on a forum instead?

i agree. ctb needs to be taken seriously, and that includes lots of research from multiple sources.

 

[MountainMonkey]

Indeed. I had read it as a hard no, but now that I read it again, there may well be wiggle room. I have to modify my argument:

We are definitely not allowed to publicly post sources. We may not be allowed to pm sources. But even if we are, or if the mods simple do not spend their days checking people's PMs for such violations, why on earth would we trust sources obtained this way? There are two ways to obtain D's mailadress officially endorsed by a large pro-choice website. One of them is this website. Why should anybody save themselves the two clicks it takes to get the official thing and trust one random person on a forum instead?

Still not understanding how 2 clicks on this forum can provide D's email. From my research, I learned that downloading the PPEH has loads of viruses. So I am looking for another option. Also, I am using my phone. Do explain.

 

[keitaro]

Still not understanding how 2 clicks on this forum can provide D's email. From my research, I learned that downloading the PPEH has loads of viruses. So I am looking for another option. Also, I am using my phone. Do explain.

here's a link to the pph that i downloaded yesterday. it's the april 2022 one. idk if that is the latest one?

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/pph-april-2022.89185/

 

[befree]

I don´t know who I can trust anymore. May be I shouldn´t share sources anymore and get my sources and scam megathread deleted.

 

[Smart No More]

The guys not a scammer he's just an idiot that likes to appear knowledgeable. He was looking for sources and then passing them off like he's got some secret unkown undwrground connections and is all clever and shit. Tbh I feel sorry for him as much as I feel annoyance by him. Just a sad pathetic needy sort looking for adoration. A scammer wouldn't go to the lengths he did to recorrect course or to get other sources from people. He's not the only person who does this. It's just over zealous virtue signalling. They're not sneaky, or dare I say corrupt enough to actually be scammers. They not that clever.

 

[Chinaski]

The guys not a scammer he's just an idiot that likes to appear knowledgeable. He was looking for sources and then passing them off like he's got some secret unkown undwrground connections and is all clever and shit. Tbh I feel sorry for him as much as I feel annoyance by him. Just a sad pathetic needy sort looking for adoration. A scammer wouldn't go to the lengths he did to recorrect course or to get other sources from people. He's not the only person who does this. It's just over zealous virtue signalling. They're not sneaky, or dare I say corrupt enough to actually be scammers. They not that clever.

Tbh whether he benefits as part of a scam or is propelling scams to suit his own pathetic ego the end result is the same and there should be no tolerance to anyone who does it imo.

 

[Deleted member 31858]

I was just going to write to London to help me make my sn regimen, as I had seen that it has helped some users make them. All this selflessly. I don't know, but I don't think she benefited from the scams, but I do think that having provided darkweb providers was something she shouldn't have done because we're all here desperate to get out of this and we don't think things through and their consequences. so giving this information on a suicide forum was wrong. However, I always saw that he selflessly helped people by sending sources sn (in part I also saw it wrong to send sources to very new users who we do not know their intentions and could put those reliable sources at risk) I do not know, there are many things to think about and I am confused, however, I believe to a greater extent that she did not benefit from the fraud and only in her eagerness to want to help harmed others, although the injured party was a minority than the benefited with her information. but it does hurt that the damaged party has been with money that is often missing. but there were many good contributions in the forum from her part to put information about sn in one place for people who do not have the courage to search and everything is complicated for them. I don't know anymore, but I'm sorry that she isn't here to help me with my SN plan, I'm sure she would have selflessly helped me because right now I'm lost. and also because of that I think I didn't write my thread coherently I hope you'll excuse me, but basically I think the only thing he did wrong was giving those darkweb sources without checking them properly and sending sn sources to very new users. It's just my thoughts...

 

[Endtimes1]

I never tried to get him banned and also tried to keep the discussion private with him. Only after him daring me to write publicly did I do so.

 

[Smart No More]

Tbh whether he benefits as part of a scam or is propelling scams to suit his own pathetic ego the end result is the same and there should be no tolerance to anyone who does it imo.

I agree.


I see no issue sharing links but doing so with vigor and claiming fact (clearly in the knowledge they don't know either way) is where they went wrong. People are ruled by their insecurities and subsequent desires to quench them. This is a case of that imho.

Links get shared with a view to gaining others perspective on things. In that respect its a group effort to find a means to and end. Singularly sending links around, claiming you "have extensive experience with dark web markets" is self serving and gambling with others finances and well being on the chance of some kudos.

 

[rationaltake]

I wish I'd spoken up sooner and been more explicit in my posts. It was obvious @london3 was a scammer.

@london3 regurgitated genuine information from the site to gain credence so they could then send members false sources and scam them.

@london3 targeted new members who were desperate for information encouraging them to notch up more posts so they could receive the scamming PMs.

It was a very slick operation indeed.

 

[Salvation_]

There was something always off about london3 that I couldn't quite put into words. To add absolutely nothing to the speculation, I have to say that just by going off their post history, they've successfully camouflaged as the average knowledgeable SS user. Their posts are very vague (I am a straight man, I am from UK, I am looking for a partner...) but these are some extra lengths that a scammer would have to go through to commit to the role of building up an identity. It's not entirely unbelievable that perhaps london3 had some sort of weird savior complex where they wanted to help people CTB yet I suppose on the internet, there have been crazier incidents of people faking an identity to get what they want (in this case, scamming people and earning the trust of mods + community). Whatever the case, it's for the greater good that they are banned now. Maybe don't fly too close to the sun next time.

 

[diyCTB]

@london3 regurgitated genuine information from the site to gain credence so they could then send members false sources and scam them.

@london3 targeted new members who were desperate for information encouraging them to notch up more posts so they could receive the scamming PMs.

It was a very slick operation indeed.

There was something always off about london3 that I couldn't quite put into words. To add absolutely nothing to the speculation, I have to say that just by going off their post history, they've successfully camouflaged as the average knowledgeable SS user. Their posts are very vague (I am a straight man, I am from UK, I am looking for a partner...) but these are some extra lengths that a scammer would have to go through to commit to the role of building up an identity. It's not entirely unbelievable that perhaps london3 had some sort of weird savior complex where they wanted to help people CTB yet I suppose on the internet, there have been crazier incidents of people faking an identity to get what they want (in this case, scamming people and earning the trust of mods + community). Whatever the case, it's for the greater good that they are banned now. Maybe don't fly too close to the sun next time.

Reminds me of practices where internet "experts" would hire freelance writers on specific topic to write books for them with regurgitated information already available on the internet so they could pass it as their own work. Collect emails offering it for free to an audience to build trust and sell them "the solution". Seen on YouTube being exposed those who would give information that would be outright dangerous to health.

Assuming he was truly a scammer, then he was a patient predator and played the long game because most of the time they go after a quick win. The problem with these deceptive tactics is that they might form the Stockholm Syndrome where cheated victims blindly defend the perpetrator, further helping him censor those who speak out the truth.

 

[Chinaski]

My own view is that anyone who comes here to present as someone with superior knowledge of all things suicide is a bullshitting phoney. It's the ctb equivalent of someone masquerading as a doctor and offering a diagnosis, ignore all of these chumps imho

 

[blue_muse]

There was something always off about london3 that I couldn't quite put into words. To add absolutely nothing to the speculation, I have to say that just by going off their post history, they've successfully camouflaged as the average knowledgeable SS user. Their posts are very vague (I am a straight man, I am from UK, I am looking for a partner...) but these are some extra lengths that a scammer would have to go through to commit to the role of building up an identity. It's not entirely unbelievable that perhaps london3 had some sort of weird savior complex where they wanted to help people CTB yet I suppose on the internet, there have been crazier incidents of people faking an identity to get what they want (in this case, scamming people and earning the trust of mods + community). Whatever the case, it's for the greater good that they are banned now. Maybe don't fly too close to the sun next time.

I got the same impression about the member. I found it odd when he said he was refusing answering PMs; as though he was some sort of knowledge gate-keeper. Generally, he'd often speak like a Moderator.

SS is a community, so at least there's solidarity judging by the comments so far.