But why is suicide bad?

[Euthanasia]

It's worse to be dissatisfied with society and harm others or commit murder.
Compared to that, suicide may be appreciated by others because it eliminates oneself.
Of course parents will be sad, but what can they do?

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think it's mainly because of the upset it does to other people. Both on a personal level- grief for families and friends and on a societal level- the money or skills we 'should' have paid in to our communities. Plus, maybe the fear that if enough people do it, it will encourage others to.

I think pro-lifers try to promote life as this incredible opportunity that people who suicide are denying themselves. They don't seem to want to accept that not everyone either feels this way or, even practically has the same level of opportunity. They conveniently ignore that humans can be severly hampered by poor health, lack of finances, lack of intelligence and/or looks etc. and that some people simply don't want to struggle their whole lives trying to get over the things that hold them back. To them, life is compulsory I suppose. Then of course, there's the religious faction who will insist that it's a sin against God.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I personally don't think that suicide is bad for the individual who's going through with the suicide attempt as it means that they're just bringing themselves peace via death. Of course a failed suicide attempt is bad as they could go through some severe injuries due to the failed attempt as the only methods available are the risky and inefficient ones. I mean, pro lifers have yet to give a reason as to why suicide is bad other than "it just is"

 

[BlessedBeTheFlame]

The execution of prisoners implies that some deaths are acceptable or even desirable to society at large. No one wants to admit it, but people like me should commit suicide and people know that and people actively want that.

 

[Relic]

Suicide statistics are bad. Every government wants to hide these, there is nothing to gain from it. And personally, family is everything. Everyone counts. Without family a person is just done.

 

[DesperateOne]

Normie reasoning is that suicide is bad because it is bad. They don't really think. If you ask them why they've come to that conclusion you will see that it is just a rehashed version of what society or religion told them was acceptable. There is no depth to their framework.

People who aren't NPCs on the other hand think suicide is bad because you are a fundamentally good human being and that you are just in a phase and can be redeemed. If you just get past this phase you will eventually start seeing the beauty of life and wont leave your loved ones with a ton of suffering.

This is true for a lot of folks, but some people are just fucked and CTB makes objective sense. Funny thing is if you told both of these groups all of your struggles and why you are thinking to CTB they will either A) shun you for opening up too much or B) show true understanding/empathy which in a lot of cases could end up taking them to the same conclusion. However even if they think that CTB would be a logical solution for you they will give you false hope since they don't want to encourage suicide and make themselves feel morally bad.

 

[rozeske]

Suicide is considered bad because of the pain and hurt it leaves behind for loved ones. The pain one goes through to have ctb as a last resort is mainly discarded. That is why suicidal people are guilt tripped in to the "don't be selfish and think about your loved ones' theory. It's not a terrible idea to hang on for others even though one is in too much pain and has lost all meaning to life. A lot even do it. But In the end it's all about how much pain one can endure.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Suicide statistics are bad. Every government wants to hide these, there is nothing to gain from it. And personally, family is everything. Everyone counts. Without family a person is just done.

"Everyone counts"

Counts towards what, exactly?

I think people are terrified of death and think it's the worst thing that could happen to them. Suicide is people embracing this, so they are horrified and appalled by it. And it's a type of tyranny of the majority, because their fear of this means they ignore individual rights/autonomy in an effort prevent suicide from becoming an accepted or popular choice in society.

 

[mortuarymary]

It used to be a criminal offence to commit suicide.
The problem with suicide as with murder or any unexpected death is WHY?
Why did this person kill themselves, they seemed so happy etc etc etc.

 

[spring vainglory]

the only reason ever given is always about other people. that its selfish to want to die when you can hurt others by doing so. its bullshit imo. because think about the amount of agony and despair one must be in to believe that life is not for them and never will be. maybe if other people actually cared about the suicidal person, they wouldn't be so suicidal in the first place.
everyone dies, and no one can tell when anyone is going to die anyway. we never asked to be alive, we should have the choice to stop it if we wanted to. being forced to live an agonizing existence is not fair, and true selfishness is anyone who forces that on another. if someone really cared, they would show the suicidal person the love and care that they are lacking to give them a hope for life. this never happens, its always either guilting someone into staying alive, or a shallow attempt to reach out just to urge them to "get help" and then abandoning them all over again.

 

[FuneralCry]

It's simply not, in fact I personally see voluntary death as something positive, existence is what is bad instead. I see suicide as the way to find safety from suffering, it's the prevention of all futile unnecessary suffering in an existence that was always undesirable and meaningless in the first place. I'd always prefer the peace of eternal sleep to decaying and deteriorating from age in this existence where there is no limit as to how much one can suffer.

And I don't understand those who say suicide is "bad" in general as if other people want to die on their own terms, it's simply not their decision to make and is none of their business, we are the only ones experiencing our existence. We never consented to being here and aren't obligated to continue so we should be able to have the option to free ourselves from existing in peace in a guaranteed way whenever we wish to. Nobody should be forced to delay their inevitable fate all because others want to stay here, suicide is a personal decision after all

 

[Relic]

Counts towards what, exactly?

A life worth living, mostly. The connections and support or the lack of them will often make or break a person.

I think people are terrified of death and think it's the worst thing that could happen to them. Suicide is people embracing this, so they are horrified and appalled by it.

This is how humanity works. Some are terrified of the tuna sandwich, some others worship it. We are defined by our phobias.

And it's a type of tyranny of the majority, because their fear of this means they ignore individual rights/autonomy in an effort prevent suicide from becoming an accepted or popular choice in society.

Everyone in the majority is an individual. But everything is still decided by the minority, the (mostly) self-appointed leaders. And we are back to square one, suicide statistics are a big shitstain that point to government's inability to manage a society and make life livable, you know, the sole reason (officially) their positions exist.