Help Bus with hydrogen sulfide

[Whale_bones]

Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta
There are no mega threads on LPG, hydrogen sulfide, trains, jumping etc... You can check this for yourself. Furthermore, the threads you reported do not all deal with GPL and it is barely mentioned in the others. Shall we take a look at SN? In the same thread you reported, there is terrorism against the method. And terrorism is not a bad word. It simply means that the intent is to terrify the user who chooses that method. Why can he only do that? Why does he like it? Why is it fast? Others shouldn't care. Of course there is politics, fortunately on the 7th side, but you can hear it everywhere in the threads. When desperate users who choose the train due to lack of alternatives are attacked, making them feel guilty of traumatizing the world. This is politics! Blaming those who suffer: when social judgment becomes a political instrument.

There's not a megathread on the specific method you're looking for, so we should just ignore all previous threads on it? Megathreads are made for the most popular, well-known and discussed subjects. That doesn't mean there is no valuable or relevant information in other threads.

My first comment made no reference to either SN or hydrogen sulphate. Your response was to bring up SN totally unprompted, claim that the evidence is ridiculous, discussions about it are propaganda, and it involves "possible disastrous involvement of every organ of the body." If you can't see that you're being, at the very least, slightly discouraging of that method, even when it hasn't at all been mentioned by the person you're talking to... I don't know what to tell ya.

Terrorism is actually a pretty weird thing to accuse someone of, and I suspect you wouldn't accept someone else claiming you have the "intent to terrify". I don't think anyone in this thread has committed terrorism btw, I think it's absurd to use such a word in this context.

I personally think that people can freely share their opinions with the understanding that it won't apply to every other person on this forum, and that shared knowledge can be helpful in people's research, while quickly resorting to inflammatory words like propaganda and terrorism is much more likely to stifle discussion and prevent useful knowledge being shared. But maybe I'm just weird like that... yeah, yeah that's probably it

 

[Richard Langford]

I'd guess that you would face severe challenges in remaining in the presence of high levels, to be honest. Expect severe burning sensations in eyes and mucous membrames, burning of mouth and trachea, extreme distress.
Most chemical gases you'll produce by experimenting with mixing caustic domestic cleaning substances will, I suspect, not be a way you'd choose to expire. Most especially since (like all of us) you'd ideally seek just to go to sleep and comfortably drift away.

I do. Our chosen method. I really do. I have 'personal stuff' to do for the next 3 weeks but after that I'm entirely up for the idea. Actioning it though

 

[SVEN]

I do. Our chosen method. I really do. I have 'personal stuff' to do for the next 3 weeks but after that I'm entirely up for the idea. Actioning it though

I'd guess you can do a fair bit of deeper research into chemical reactions and the gases given off from easily obtained household cleaning products during the next 3 weeks.
Having been a firefighter for 2 years earlier in my life and encountered the type of fumes present in conventional house fires caused by synthetics, plastics, formica etc I know already that there's no way I would voluntarily inhale caustic chemicals, however that speaks of my preferences rather than yours.

 

[Richard Langford]

I'd guess you can do a fair bit of deeper research into chemical reactions and the gases given off from easily obtained household cleaning products during the next 3 weeks.
Having been a firefighter for 2 years earlier in my life and encountered the type of fumes present in conventional house fires caused by synthetics, plastics, formica etc I know already that there's no way I would voluntarily inhale caustic chemicals, however that speaks of my preferences rather than yours.

I'm exploring options as you can see. I have time to see if I can access opiates or suchlike some way or how before I need to get inventive. I hope I can.

 

[SVEN]

I'm exploring options as you can see. I have time to see if I can access opiates or suchlike before I need to get inventive. I hope I can.

I'm presently back at the old standbies, hanging, drowning or jumping. I was physically stopped from jumping by an off duty policeman on a previous attempt when I travelled to the Erskine Bridge over the Clyde. A notoriously successfull jump spot from which I have no knowledge of any survivors. It has now been secured with high pedestrian barriers & CCTV.

 

[Richard Langford]

I'm presently back at the old standbies, hanging, drowning or jumping. I was physically stopped ftom jumping by an off duty policeman on a previous attempt when I travelled to the Erskine Bridge over the Clyde. A notoriously successfull jump spot from which I have no knowledge of any survivors. It has now been secured with high pedestrian barriers & CCTV.

Hmm. All sound a bit...violent and unpleasant. I live very near the sea and I could just walk off into it. I wouldn't t last long I suppose. You really wouldnt think all this would be that difficult? I suppose technically it very much isn't. We all just want a very 'nice peaceful' death.

 

[Intoxicated]

This gas is an extreme irritant and can cause gas burns.

I'd guess that you would face severe challenges in remaining in the presence of high levels, to be honest. Expect severe burning sensations in eyes and mucous membrames, burning of mouth and trachea, extreme distress.

Where does this info come from? H2S can slowly react with atmospheric oxygen forming sulforous acid (H2SO3) which can be irritating, but I didn't see any evidences in favor of that "severe burning sensations" theory.

If you read through pages 27 - 38 of this document, you can see numerous examples of how people were knocked down by H2S without trying to escape the contaminated area. For example,

Prouza [22] reported in 1970 that 10 Czechoslovakian workers were poisoned, 1 fatally, when hydrogen sulfide seeped into an empty viscose spinning tank from another tank through a common overflow pipe. The hydrogen sulfide concentration inside the tank was measured at 2,800 ppm 4.5 hours after the accident. A maintenance worker who entered the tank to loosen and remove a heating element complained of the odor and of not feeling well, then collapsed. Two coworkers entered the tank without protective equipment and tried to lift the stricken man up to the foreman, who stood outside the tank, but the foreman felt weak as he bent over the tank and the two would-be rescuers within the tank were also becoming stuporous. The foreman let the first worker fall back into the tank and managed to help the other two out of it. A fifth worker went for protective equipment and returned to find that the total of poisoned would-be rescuers had risen to nine, six of them unconscious. The first victim and four of the rescuers were removed from the tank by workers wearing protective equipment and were taken to the factory first-aid station and then to the hospital. The first man was pronounced dead.

If H2S is so extreme irritant and it causes extreme distress, why didn't all these people just leave so uncomfortable place? Were they violent masochists or what? Based on this document which explicitly mentions that "Usually acute intoxication occurs from a single, massive exposure of 2,000 ppm (2,781 mg/m³) or more, and unconsciousness occurs within seconds, without significant warning or pain" (page 8-24), I suspect that the reason why they ignored the threat is because their perceptions were pretty well endurable till the point of collapsing, so they underestimated the influence of H2S on them, considering how innocent their symptoms seemed to be.

 

[L'absent]

Where does this info come from? H2S can slowly react with atmospheric oxygen forming sulforous acid (H2SO3) which can be irritating, but I didn't see any evidences in favor of that "severe burning sensations" theory.

If you read through pages 27 - 38 of this document, you can see numerous examples of how people were knocked down by H2S without trying to escape the contaminated area. For example,

Prouza [22] reported in 1970 that 10 Czechoslovakian workers were poisoned, 1 fatally, when hydrogen sulfide seeped into an empty viscose spinning tank from another tank through a common overflow pipe. The hydrogen sulfide concentration inside the tank was measured at 2,800 ppm 4.5 hours after the accident. A maintenance worker who entered the tank to loosen and remove a heating element complained of the odor and of not feeling well, then collapsed. Two coworkers entered the tank without protective equipment and tried to lift the stricken man up to the foreman, who stood outside the tank, but the foreman felt weak as he bent over the tank and the two would-be rescuers within the tank were also becoming stuporous. The foreman let the first worker fall back into the tank and managed to help the other two out of it. A fifth worker went for protective equipment and returned to find that the total of poisoned would-be rescuers had risen to nine, six of them unconscious. The first victim and four of the rescuers were removed from the tank by workers wearing protective equipment and were taken to the factory first-aid station and then to the hospital. The first man was pronounced dead.

If H2S is so extreme irritant and it causes extreme distress, why didn't all these people just leave so uncomfortable place? Were they violent masochists or what? Based on this document which explicitly mentions that "Usually acute intoxication occurs from a single, massive exposure of 2,000 ppm (2,781 mg/m³) or more, and unconsciousness occurs within seconds, without significant warning or pain" (page 8-24), I suspect that the reason why they ignored the threat is because their perceptions were pretty well endurable till the point of collapsing, so they underestimated the influence of H2S on them, considering how innocent their symptoms seemed to be.

Reading through this discussion, it seems evident that there's considerable confusion and interest regarding hydrogen sulfide (H2S), both in terms of its chemical properties and its use. I wonder if it might be useful to create a dedicated thread specifically for this topic, where accurate information can be gathered, risks and implications can be discussed in depth, and the input of someone like @Intoxicated , who seems to have solid technical knowledge on the subject, could be utilized. It could be a space to debunk myths, analyze sources, and answer questions for those who want to better understand this substance. Would anyone be interested in collaborating on such a project?

 

[Intoxicated]

Would anyone be interested in collaborating on such a project?

This forum becomes very inconvenient for discussing any methods, since lots of users post unrelated stuff here. I was absent for only 20 days since Dec 31, and now I see around 1900 topics updated, most of which are just a white noise for me. It takes an enormous time to swipe through all that flood. Anything you write here will be buried in a couple of hours, that often demotivates to write any high-effort posts. I'm really tired of this situation, so don't count on me.

 

[L'absent]

This forum becomes very inconvenient for discussing any methods, since lots of users post unrelated stuff here. I was absent for only 20 days since Dec 31, and now I see around 1900 topics updated, most of which are just a white noise for me. It takes an enormous time to swipe through all that flood. Anything you write here will be buried in a couple of hours, that often demotivates to write any high-effort posts. I'm really tired of this situation, so don't count on me.

I completely agree; this situation is indeed very demotivating. It would be incredibly helpful to remove the useless posts and filter out the ones from people who only come here to create chaos or derail the topic. Unfortunately, even in threads dedicated to specific methods, discussions often go off-topic, wasting the time of those who are genuinely interested in the original subject. The main issue is the lack of clear structure in the forum: sections aren't well-organized, and any topic gets discussed anywhere, regardless of the category or thread. I completely understand what you're saying and share your frustration about not being able to participate in or create a serious and useful thread about hydrogen sulfide. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, though.
And in any case, it's absurd to constantly complain about the lack of "fast and certain" methods while simultaneously boycotting every method except SN, hanging, and a select few others. Naturally, this leads to stagnation and obscurity. Those who contribute to their own problems have no one to blame but themselves.