Bridgend SI (Suicide Incidents)

[CW36]

If you're from the UK then you'll be familiar with this suicide saga. A spate of suicides fifteen years ago, where dozens of young people hung themselves in short succession.

If your friend, partner or relative took their own life, would it give you greater confidence or licence to follow suit?

 

[fedupwithlife]

I guess

 

[FuneralCry]

I would envy them, in fact I always envy those who manage to overcome all the difficulties involved in voluntarily leaving this world, I think I would only feel confident in ctb if I had access to a guaranteed method that would easily free me from everything but sadly such a thing would always be far too good to be true.

 

[CW36]

I would envy them, in fact I always envy those who manage to overcome all the difficulties involved in voluntarily leaving this world, I think I would only feel confident in ctb if I had access to a guaranteed method that would easily free me from everything but sadly such a thing would always be far too good to be true.

No pain no gain in this weird world. One moment of courage and they're free. Almost all of them went with partial, and FSH is as good as a guarantee as you'll get in the UK. Quick and decisive. Guns are messy, drowning is downright depressing, jumping is too chancy, poisoning is halfhearted. It'll only get more AS, so I'll be going before they ban water as well.

 

[CW36]

Bump

 

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

Sorry doesn't really answer your question… but —

Below is my post from recent thread about suicide contagion — Apologies can't add that link atm — But seems relevant factor , among others :

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Dr David Healy's blog + all comments + their links :

Left Hanging: Suicide in Bridgend – Dr. David Healy

Many people are unaware of just how many prescription drugs can trigger and cause suicide, suicidal acts and homicide.

davidhealy.org

*Multiple specific factors explored + plausible =
Bio-Psycho-Social — a term I dislike in psychiatry — but fits in a general forensic sense —

For full insight— please see all the comments + their links - Eg - the 'theatrical hanging' performance for the local children

 

[CW36]

Below is my post from recent thread about suicide contagion — Apologies can't add that link atm — But seems relevant factor , among others :

///

Dr David Healy's blog + all comments + their links :

Left Hanging: Suicide in Bridgend – Dr. David Healy

Many people are unaware of just how many prescription drugs can trigger and cause suicide, suicidal acts and homicide.

davidhealy.org

*Multiple specific factors explored + plausible =
Bio-Psycho-Social — a term I dislike in psychiatry — but fits in a general forensic sense —

For full insight— please see all the comments + their links - Eg - the 'theatrical hanging' performance for the local children

Thank you. I have not come across this material before. I shall enjoy reading it

 

[CW36]

Sorry doesn't really answer your question… but —

Below is my post from recent thread about suicide contagion — Apologies can't add that link atm — But seems relevant factor , among others :

///

Dr David Healy's blog + all comments + their links :

Left Hanging: Suicide in Bridgend – Dr. David Healy

Many people are unaware of just how many prescription drugs can trigger and cause suicide, suicidal acts and homicide.

davidhealy.org

*Multiple specific factors explored + plausible =
Bio-Psycho-Social — a term I dislike in psychiatry — but fits in a general forensic sense —

For full insight— please see all the comments + their links - Eg - the 'theatrical hanging' performance for the local children

I read the article, the comments and links below. A lot of people smell a cover up and at the very least, something fishy. I agree, to a degree, with the concenus. I don't think we'll ever see something similar covered on woke media ever again here in England again.

 

[Octavia]

I read the article, the comments and links below. A lot of people smell a cover up and at the very least, something fishy. I agree, to a degree, with the concenus. I don't think we'll ever see something similar covered on woke media ever again here in England again.

Er… "woke media"? What that supposed to mean? People who think there is such a thing as "woke media" are typically not very rooted in reality.

Also, from what I know anti-depressants do not exactly trigger suicidal thoughts, their role in increased suicide risks is kind of complicated. Many depressed people are too exhausted/depressed to actually try a suicide attempt, so in a sense, being at rock bottom keeps them safe from suicide attempts since they are not able to do anything. During the early stages of using anti-depressants the individual would start to become more productive and less tired, but is still suicidal enough to actually make an attempt, which they might do since now they actually have the will to be doing things. Hence the possible increase in suicide risk on the short term of starting an anti-depressant.

 

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

Er… "woke media"? What that supposed to mean? People who think there is such a thing as "woke media" are typically not very rooted in reality.

Also, from what I know anti-depressants do not exactly trigger suicidal thoughts, their role in increased suicide risks is kind of complicated. Many depressed people are too exhausted/depressed to actually try a suicide attempt, so in a sense, being at rock bottom keeps them safe from suicide attempts since they are not able to do anything. During the early stages of using anti-depressants the individual would start to become more productive and less tired, but is still suicidal enough to actually make an attempt, which they might do since now they actually have the will to be doing things. Hence the possible increase in suicide risk on the short term of starting an anti-depressant.

David Healy - Dr. David Healy

David Healy is a psychiatrist, scientist, psychopharmacologist, and author. Before becoming a professor of Psychiatry in Wales, and more recently in the Department of Family Medicine at McMaster University in Canada, he studied medicine in Dublin, and at Cambridge University. He is a former...

davidhealy.org

Curriculum Vitae - Dr. David Healy

Prepared March 2015 DAVID HEALY, MD FRCPsych North Wales Department of Psychological Medicine Hergest Unit, Ysbyty Gwynedd, BANGOR, Gwynedd LL57 2PW, Wales (UK) Tel: (1248) 384452 Fax: (1248) 371397 E-Mail: [email protected] Citzenship: Republic of Ireland Country of Residence: UK...

davidhealy.org

 

[CW36]

Er… "woke media"? What that supposed to mean? People who think there is such a thing as "woke media" are typically not very rooted in reality.

Also, from what I know anti-depressants do not exactly trigger suicidal thoughts, their role in increased suicide risks is kind of complicated. Many depressed people are too exhausted/depressed to actually try a suicide attempt, so in a sense, being at rock bottom keeps them safe from suicide attempts since they are not able to do anything. During the early stages of using anti-depressants the individual would start to become more productive and less tired, but is still suicidal enough to actually make an attempt, which they might do since now they actually have the will to be doing things. Hence the possible increase in suicide risk on the short term of starting an anti-depressant.

You're the one in the dark I'm afraid. I don't know where you're from (maple syrup land - sounds mature) but here the BBC is super woke. I suggest you do some light digging and you'll find many such articles to educate yourself. Unless of course, you're woke yourself, which wouldn't surprise me at all.

As for antidepressants, I've experienced a few back in the day and they didn't make me so. And millions are on them, there'd be far more suicides if it was just down to that. Most of the youngsters here took more than that, but you'd know that if you read the article in full.

The whole point is that these suicide incidents happened in relatively quick succession and all individuals used partial as a method. The media definitely didn't help. Mass copycatting is a rare phenomenon and we're either dealing with the perform storm or something a little more sinister.

 

[Octavia]

David Healy - Dr. David Healy

David Healy is a psychiatrist, scientist, psychopharmacologist, and author. Before becoming a professor of Psychiatry in Wales, and more recently in the Department of Family Medicine at McMaster University in Canada, he studied medicine in Dublin, and at Cambridge University. He is a former...

davidhealy.org

Yes, I've read their bio, the entire website looks more like a personal blog than anything else.

You're the one in the dark I'm afraid. I don't know where you're from (maple syrup land - sounds mature) but here the BBC is super woke. I suggest you do some light digging and you'll find many such articles to educate yourself. Unless of course you're woke yourself, which wouldn't surprise me at all.

As for antidepressants, I've experienced a few back in the day and they didn't make me so. And millions are on them, there'd be far more suicides if it was just down to that. Most took more than that, but you'd know that if you read the article in full.

I mean, nothing immature about a little touch of humour. People who use the term "woke" un-ironically really need to step out of their echo chambers and reevaluate their sources. And you have not answered my question, what is "woke" even supposed to mean? Anything that disagrees with you?

 

[CW36]

Yes, I've read their bio, the entire website looks more like a personal blog than anything else.

I mean, nothing immature about a little touch of humour. People who use the term "woke" un-ironically really need to step out of their echo chambers and reevaluate their sources. And you have not answered my question, what is "woke" even supposed to mean? Anything that disagrees with you?

Debating with the ignorant such as yourself is not a happy pastime of mine. I suggest you continue to live in your fantasy woke free world full of maple syrup and sarcasm. You likely voted Biden and follow Kim Kardashian.

 

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

Yes, I've read their bio, the entire website looks more like a personal blog than anything else.

Just FYI -
Dr David Healy is a Medico-Legal Expert Witness — in PharmacoGenomic -related Suicides / Homicides

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1752928X16300051

Curriculum Vitae - Dr. David Healy

Prepared March 2015 DAVID HEALY, MD FRCPsych North Wales Department of Psychological Medicine Hergest Unit, Ysbyty Gwynedd, BANGOR, Gwynedd LL57 2PW, Wales (UK) Tel: (1248) 384452 Fax: (1248) 371397 E-Mail: [email protected] Citzenship: Republic of Ireland Country of Residence: UK...

davidhealy.org

 

[Octavia]

Debating with the ignorant such as yourself is not a happy pastime of mine. I suggest you continue to live in your fantasy woke free world full of maple syrup and sarcasm. You likely voted Biden and follow Kim Kardashian.

The sentiment is mutual. A very nice strawman you've set up, but I am Canadian, not American. There is a bigger world out there if you bothered to look.

 

[CW36]

The sentiment is mutual. A very nice strawman you've set up, but I am Canadian, not American. There is a bigger world out there if you bothered to look.

Ah, the Country which supports assisted dying. You probably weren't aware of that either. I've travelled the world, whereas I doubt you've even crossed the border.

 

[Octavia]

Just FYI -
Dr David Healy is a Medico-Legal Expert Witness — in PharmacoGenomic -related Suicides / Homicides

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1752928X16300051

Curriculum Vitae - Dr. David Healy

Prepared March 2015 DAVID HEALY, MD FRCPsych North Wales Department of Psychological Medicine Hergest Unit, Ysbyty Gwynedd, BANGOR, Gwynedd LL57 2PW, Wales (UK) Tel: (1248) 384452 Fax: (1248) 371397 E-Mail: [email protected] Citzenship: Republic of Ireland Country of Residence: UK...

davidhealy.org

I am aware, just because an individual has academic accreditations themselves does not mean that all they write is true. I am not aware of any peers supporting his "research", so I would take it with a massive grain of salt. There were plenty of licensed medical professionals who jumped on the antivax bandwagon.

Ah, the Country which supports assisted dying. You probably weren't aware of that either. I've travelled the world, whereas I doubt you've even crossed the border.

I have no desire to keep conversing with an inflammatory fellow such as yourself. I have been to many countries due to my unusual life circumstances, but that would not be of any concern to you.

Have a great day.

 

[CW36]

I am aware, just because an individual has academic accreditations themselves does not mean that all they write is true. I am not aware of any peers supporting his "research", so I would take it with a massive grain of salt. There were plenty of licensed medical professionals who jumped on the antivax bandwagon.

I have no desire to keep conversing with an inflammatory fellow such as yourself. I have been to many countries due to my unusual life circumstances, but that would not be of any concern to you.

Have a great day.

I'd believe you over an accredited expert any day.

 

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

I am aware, just because an individual has academic accreditations themselves does not mean that all they write is true. I am not aware of any peers supporting his "research",

OK ... I respect your opinion ... + btw, I'm also from 'Maple Syrup Land' [Canada] ... tho trapped in an unusually cruel village in UK

Dr Healy currently resides / works via Canada

+ Re: 'peers supporting his "research" ... Pls see list of a few factual examples , below :




MEMBERSHIP OF SOCIETIES

• Royal College of Psychiatrists – 1985. Fellow – 1996.
• British Association of Psychopharmacology ‑ Council Member & Hon Asst Secretary, 1989‑1992
• Secretary 1992‑1995 Member of the Association of European Psychiatrists.
• Member of European College of Neuropsychopharmacology
• Fellow of Collegium Internationale Neuropsychopharmacologium
• Member of the History Group Royal College of Psychiatrists
• Member of the European Association for the History of Psychiatry
• Member of the History Section of the World Psychiatric Association Secretary 2009 ongoing.
• Member of the European Society for Chronobiology
• Member Advisory Board of European College of Study Methods in Clinical Trials
• Member of ECNP working party for the History of Neuropsychopharmacology
• Associate of BIOS: Centre for the study of Bioscience, Biomedicine, Biotechnology and Society at the London School of Economics and Political Science

DISTINCTIONS

• First Mental Health Foundation Essay Prize for 1988
• Awarded a CINP Rafaelson Scholar Award in 1988
• Keynote Speaker at 30th​ Annual RANZCP Meeting – May 1995.
• Visiting Lecturer at the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry & Guest Lecturer on the History of Medicine Program, Univ. of Toronto, October 1995.
• Chair Wellcome Trust Witness Seminar March 1997.
• Guest Lecturer. 7th​ Japanese Clin Neuropharmacology Assoc. Tokyo, Nov 1997.
• Invited Lecture – American Psychopathological Association March 1999.
• Annual Raths-Steiger Lecture, Collegium Helveticum, ETH Zurich June 1999.
• Distinguished Guest Lecture, Dept of Psychiatry, Oslo, March 2000.
• Eric T Carlsson Memorial Grand Rounds, Cornell University, N York, Dec 2000
• Annual MIND-Institute of Psychiatry Lecture, February 2002.
• Bartlett Visiting Professorship, U of Rochester, N York, Nov 2003.
• Studium Generale Lecture Groningen April 2005
• Chancellor's Distinguished Guest Lecture, Louisiana State University Oct 2005
• ACNP Oakley Ray Annual Lecture on History of Psychopharmacology 2008
• Studium Generale Lecture Gent, February 2012

EDITORIAL BOARD

• Human Psychopharmacology – 1990 – 2000
• Primary Care & Community Psychiatry – 1995 – 2005
• History of Psychiatry – 2002 – Associate Editor 2012
• Medical Hypotheses – 2003 – 2010
• Mens Sana Monographs – 2007 –
• Psychosis – 2007 –

GRANT REVIEWER

• ESRC
• Canadian Institutes of Health Research
• MacArthur Fellowship Reviewer
• Medical Research Council of Canada
• Medical & Social Science Research Board
• Mental Health Foundation
• National Institute for Health Research
• National Lotteries Charities Board
• National Science Foundation
• Scottish Health Board
• Social Sciences & Humanities Research Council of Canada
• Wellcome Trust
• Welsh NHS Research and Development Board

ACADEMIC PROMOTION REVIEW

• Renselaar Polytechnic Institute
• Trent University
• University of California, Los Angeles

GOVERNMENT CONSULTANT

• Medical and HealthCare Devices Regulatory Agency (UK) 2001-2004 on SSRIs
• Senator Grassley's Office US re SSRIs
• Congressmen Barton and Greenwood US re SSRIs
• House of Commons Health Select Ctte on the Influence of the Pharmaceutical Industry.
• Comité d'évaluation des pratiques médicales en matière de médicaments (Belgium)

 

[CW36]

A brilliant 'bedtime stories' adaptation of events.

 

[CW36]

I am aware, just because an individual has academic accreditations themselves does not mean that all they write is true. I am not aware of any peers supporting his "research", so I would take it with a massive grain of salt. There were plenty of licensed medical professionals who jumped on the antivax bandwagon.

I have no desire to keep conversing with an inflammatory fellow such as yourself. I have been to many countries due to my unusual life circumstances, but that would not be of any concern to you.

Have a great day.

Yes, because you lost the debate a long while back. I've travelled the world too, so no bonus points for you. You need to manage your anger and learn how to construct a case.

Have a great day.