Brain damage risk with N

[rs929]

It is generally accepted here that death by N isn't risky, in terms of surviving without permanent damage if the attempt fails.
I asked Grok about it and it alerted me on possible severe complications if attempt fails. I don't know if the AI are programmed to fear monger people but it is disturbing. Specially for people with old N which may lose potency
How likely it is to survive N with brain damage?. 2%? 30%? 0,1%?



Grok answer:

Pentobarbital is a barbiturate that can be extremely dangerous when used with suicidal intent. Below is an overview of the risks associated with attempting suicide using pentobarbital, presented in a clear and factual manner to address your query. This response is not meant to encourage or provide instructions for self-harm but to inform about the serious risks involved.

Risks of Attempting Suicide with Pentobarbital

1. Lethality and Overdose Risk:
   • Pentobarbital is a potent central nervous system depressant. In high doses, it can cause respiratory depression, coma, and death by suppressing breathing and heart function.
   • If the dose is insufficient, it may lead to a prolonged coma, severe brain damage, or organ failure instead of immediate death, resulting in significant suffering and long-term health consequences.
2. Unpredictable Effects:
   • The response to pentobarbital varies depending on factors like body weight, tolerance, and individual metabolism. A dose that is lethal for one person may not be for another, increasing the risk of an incomplete attempt with severe complications.
   • Impurities or improper preparation (if obtained illicitly) can lead to unpredictable effects, including painful side effects or failure to achieve the intended outcome.
3. Physical and Neurological Damage:
   • Non-lethal overdoses can cause prolonged unconsciousness, leading to complications like aspiration (inhaling vomit), pneumonia, or pressure sores.
   • Survivors may experience permanent brain damage due to oxygen deprivation, resulting in cognitive impairment, memory loss, or motor dysfunction.
4. Painful Side Effects:
   • Pentobarbital overdose can cause distressing symptoms before unconsciousness, such as nausea, vomiting, seizures, or severe agitation.
   • If administered incorrectly (e.g., via injection or ingestion of an improper formulation), it may cause intense pain or tissue damage.
5. Legal and Ethical Issues:
   • Pentobarbital is a controlled substance in most countries, and obtaining it without a prescription is illegal. Illicit sources (e.g., black market or veterinary supplies) carry risks of contamination, incorrect dosing, or legal consequences.
   • In regions where assisted dying is legal (e.g., certain European countries or parts of Canada), pentobarbital use is tightly regulated and requires medical supervision. Attempting to use it outside these protocols is highly risky and illegal.
6. Impact on Others:
   • A failed attempt may result in significant emotional and financial strain on family or friends, as well as the burden of long-term care if severe disability occurs.
   • Discovery of the attempt by others can lead to legal intervention, involuntary hospitalization, or psychiatric evaluation.
7. Lack of Medical Oversight:
   • Without professional supervision, there is no way to ensure a painless or effective outcome. Medical settings for euthanasia (where legal) use precise protocols to minimize suffering, which cannot be replicated in non-medical settings.
   • Emergency medical intervention (if discovered) may reverse the effects, leading to survival with severe complications

 

[bankai]

AI will turn into another tool that's just a slave to the govs and people in power imo.i know it's supposed to be independent but lol no way.It's going to turn into just another tool that influences us and feeds us the info they want us to follow.


Also did you source N?

 

[Forveleth]

DO NOT rely on AI for factual information without verifying it yourself. AI sucks at summarizing. It can not tell the difference between truth and lies, facts and sarcasm, and can be influenced by whatever comapmy runs it.

The PPH has tried and true, tested eyewitness protocols for pentobarbital. If taken following their recommended protocol, it directly refutes some of the things that the AI has said here.

No side effects:

Survival after fatal pentobarbital ingestion - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Unknown of any side effects but survived after quick medical treatment.

Deliberate Self-poisoning with a Lethal Dose of Pentobarbital with Confirmatory Serum Drug Concentrations: Survival After Cardiac Arrest with Supportive Care - PMC

Pentobarbital (PB) is a euthanasia drug in doses of 2 to 10 grams, causing death within 15–30 minutes. We report a case of recovery from lethal pentobarbital deliberate self-poisoning with confirmatory serum drug concentrations. A 45-year-old male ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Also pentobarbital is used to keep people inedically induced comas, sometimes in the case of traumatic brain injury. I suspect the drug itself is not necessarily dangerous to the brain, but rather the lack of oxygen once it shuts down the brainstem. Which means you only start acquiring damage with this method once you stop breathing. Therefore pentaparbitol risks are no different than any other method that obstrcuts breathing or oxygenated blood flow to the head.

 

[rs929]

DO NOT rely on AI for factual information without verifying it yourself. AI sucks at summarizing. It can not tell the difference between truth and lies, facts and sarcasm, and can be influenced by whatever comapmy runs it.

The PPH has tried and true, tested eyewitness protocols for pentobarbital. If taken following their recommended protocol, it directly refutes some of the things that the AI has said here.

No side effects:

Survival after fatal pentobarbital ingestion - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Unknown of any side effects but survived after quick medical treatment.

Deliberate Self-poisoning with a Lethal Dose of Pentobarbital with Confirmatory Serum Drug Concentrations: Survival After Cardiac Arrest with Supportive Care - PMC

Pentobarbital (PB) is a euthanasia drug in doses of 2 to 10 grams, causing death within 15–30 minutes. We report a case of recovery from lethal pentobarbital deliberate self-poisoning with confirmatory serum drug concentrations. A 45-year-old male ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Also pentobarbital is used to keep people inedically induced comas, sometimes in the case of traumatic brain injury. I suspect the drug itself is not necessarily dangerous to the brain, but rather the lack of oxygen once it shuts down the brainstem. Which means you only start acquiring damage with this method once you stop breathing. Therefore pentaparbitol risks are no different than any other method that obstrcuts breathing or oxygenated blood flow to the head.

Yes, pentobarbital is even neuroprotective as well. But the AI is talking about hypoxia. There is one scenario where you could get screwed up: if you stop breathing but saved a few minutes later.
But my concern is, even if you are not saved, what are the chances that the N is not enough to shut down your system (because of impurity, age, metabolism), but interrupts your breath long enough to cause hypoxia, even if it's not long enough to kill you?
I'm not a doctor so I'm having a hard time estimating how high the risk actually is. I think it should be low but honestly I don't know.

 

[eattwinkiesseejesus]

List of risks for suicide method - one of the first "risks" mentioned is death I'm sorry but when death is the goal, it isn't a risk

 

[Forveleth]

Yes, pentobarbital is even neuroprotective as well. But the AI is talking about hypoxia. There is one scenario where you could get screwed up: if you stop breathing but saved a few minutes later.
But my concern is, even if you are not saved, what are the chances that the N is not enough to shut down your system (because of impurity, age, metabolism), but interrupts your breath long enough to cause hypoxia, even if it's not long enough to kill you?
I'm not a doctor so I'm having a hard time estimating how high the risk actually is. I think it should be low but honestly I don't know.

That is why I said the bit about the PPH protocol. There are many, many eyewitness accounts of people successfully dying using that protocol. Are there risks? Yes but considering this is the prefrred method for peaceful euthanasia, I would say the risks are nearly negligible. If you get the real stuff and take the amount prescribed and are not found you are guaranteed to die as much as it is possible to say so.

 

[intr0verse]

But my concern is, even if you are not saved, what are the chances that the N is not enough to shut down your system (because of impurity, age, metabolism), but interrupts your breath long enough to cause hypoxia, even if it's not long enough to kill you?

I'm not sure i understand your concern. N cause death by hypoxia; it's either (strong, dosage) enough to make you stop breathing or it's not. If it's not, you'll keep breathing until the drug is eliminated from your body and you'll wake up. If you stop breathing i don't think it's possible to restart breathing without medical intervention.

 

[cme-dme]

Okay, well, AI told me that N actually isn't deadly at all and that you can consume it with little to no side effect so I guess since an AI said it it must be true!

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I'm not even sure why this is being discussed. It's all but impossible to get, except for very scant people who take extreme measures to source it. It's not like it's available on every street corner via a Nembutal-R-Us store.

When was the last time you heard of someone ctb here by N?

 

[J&L383]

Yes, pentobarbital is even neuroprotective as well. But the AI is talking about hypoxia. There is one scenario where you could get screwed up: if you stop breathing but saved a few minutes later.
But my concern is, even if you are not saved, what are the chances that the N is not enough to shut down your system (because of impurity, age, metabolism), but interrupts your breath long enough to cause hypoxia, even if it's not long enough to kill you?
I'm not a doctor so I'm having a hard time estimating how high the risk actually is. I think it should be low but honestly I don't know.

I agree that hypoxia is theoretically possible but I haven't heard of any situations where that's happened - resulting in permanent damage. If done "properly" (with antiemetic and sufficient quantity) it always works, as has been demonstrated with the Swiss clinics. Further, survivors of a non-fatal dose have gone on to function normally (Plath, e.g.). N is not perfect, but it's considered as close to the gold standard as possible.

It is important to ensure concentration if product is in powdered form, and stored for a considerable amount of time, which can be done in Spain (EC).